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Re: bbba and bib discussion.
« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2021, 11:07:52 AM »
Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown

That's great that that is your opinion.  Could you show me the list of households making $50,000 a year that are paying more than $10,000 a year in SALT?

If the Democrats were raising the cap to $20,000, I could see saying it's not a giveaway to the rich.  What kind of households do you think are paying $80,000 in SALT?

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2021, 06:26:53 PM »
apparently the house is gonna vote on the bbba tonight.


not entirely sure why, cause the senate is gonna do whatever they want with it anyways, but i guess whenever you have the votes you take the vote.
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« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2021, 02:13:01 AM »
Kevin McCarthy, lmao, dipshit.

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Re: bbba and bib discussion.
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2021, 12:07:55 PM »
Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown

That's great that that is your opinion.  Could you show me the list of households making $50,000 a year that are paying more than $10,000 a year in SALT?

If the Democrats were raising the cap to $20,000, I could see saying it's not a giveaway to the rich.  What kind of households do you think are paying $80,000 in SALT?

You’re missing the point.

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« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2021, 12:15:31 PM »
Anyone who has a problem with salt relief is a clown

That's great that that is your opinion.  Could you show me the list of households making $50,000 a year that are paying more than $10,000 a year in SALT?

If the Democrats were raising the cap to $20,000, I could see saying it's not a giveaway to the rich.  What kind of households do you think are paying $80,000 in SALT?

You’re missing the point.

The point is that the SALT deduction should be completely eliminated.

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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2021, 12:27:48 PM »
Ok bernie

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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2021, 03:08:08 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2021, 03:12:26 PM »
SALT deduction should be leveraged. Like 3x a normal deduction.

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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2021, 03:40:58 PM »
Of all of the deductions available to the general public, SALT makes the most logical sense. So I support putting the SALT deduction back in place, but I would prefer we also get rid of some other deduction(s) to make it budget neutral.

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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2021, 04:09:20 PM »
SALT deduction should be leveraged. Like 3x a normal deduction.

So true. For every dollar you give the government they’re only paying you back 37 cents at most. Very handsome profit margin for them.


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« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2021, 10:13:29 AM »
that figure would be more effective if the latter three categories weren't overlapping.
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« Reply #62 on: December 15, 2021, 07:57:28 PM »
it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.

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« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2021, 08:22:53 PM »
it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.

Sys, you hate kids that’s fine but real Americans love the CTC.
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« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2021, 08:38:50 PM »
I also hate the ctc and consider myself a true American. One kid is fine, but every kid past that should cost more, not less.

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« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2021, 08:39:46 PM »
The proposed ctc should absolutely apply to those with adopted children, though.

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« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2021, 09:06:38 PM »
it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.

Sys, you hate kids that’s fine but real Americans love the CTC.

regardless of how you feel about the ctc (and, i obviously, hope it's left out and more deserving programs are funded) the chicanery of claiming ten years of taxes pays for one, two, four or five years of a program is both laughable and short-sighted.  the democrats are fortunate they have someone insisting the funding matches the drapes.
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« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2021, 09:15:52 PM »
it should be embarrassing for the democrats that they only have one senator forcing them to entertain reality on the big bill they're all going to tout as their signature achievement for biden's first term.

Sys, you hate kids that’s fine but real Americans love the CTC.

regardless of how you feel about the ctc (and, i obviously, hope it's left out and more deserving programs are funded) the chicanery of claiming ten years of taxes pays for one, two, four or five years of a program is both laughable and short-sighted.  the democrats are fortunate they have someone insisting the funding matches the drapes.

the cbo stuff is dumb.  but so is manchin insisting on 1.75T as some sort of important number. it is all dumb.
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« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2021, 09:39:04 PM »
1.75 t is semi-arbitrary*, but any number would be.  regardless, it appears that that's the number, so dems need to prioritize and not pretend they don't have a number.


* - but not really that arbitrary, the limit is imposed by the taxes they can agree on, not programs they want to fund.
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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2021, 09:41:11 PM »
1.75 t is arbitrary, but any number would be.  regardless, it appears that that's the number, so dems need to prioritize and not pretend they don't have a number.

they did, thus all the gimmicks.
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« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2021, 09:42:42 PM »
they did, thus all the gimmicks.

however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
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« Reply #71 on: December 15, 2021, 09:55:07 PM »
they did, thus all the gimmicks.

however clever the aides that drew up the gimmicks thought they were, they failed to fool manchin, so back to the drawing board, but this time for real.
He just arbitrarily made the number up so they arbitrarily tried to do as much of the actual policy proposals they wanted to meet his dumb number.  Then he said he didn’t like that.

Who even knows that the number means anyways, do tax raises off set? Also Manchin now seems to say that any program must be counted for the 10 year window, but even that is kind of dumb because if it is “permanent” then that number is just an arbitrary window too.

The only reason any of this is taken seriously is because everyone in a position to help get this done has to treat Manchin like he is Cicero while he struts around and gives his daily press conference to try to convince Weat Virginians he isn’t rolling over for the dems.

The entire thing is a farce and theatre. I can’t understand why you are pretending it is anything but. And even if you like that Manchin is preventing this crap you don’t like from getting passed, the way he is doing it must be a bit distasteful to you.
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« Reply #72 on: December 15, 2021, 10:02:30 PM »
that's just not true.  manchin has consistently said that he'd only support programs that were offset by revenues.  the ten year window is imposed by reconciliation.
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« Reply #73 on: December 15, 2021, 10:12:36 PM »
that's just not true.  manchin has consistently said that he'd only support programs that were offset by revenues.  the ten year window is imposed by reconciliation.

but if you raised $2T in revenue he would not approve $2T in spending and the 10 yr window is the standard CBO scoring, I'm just saying it is dumb.
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« Reply #74 on: December 15, 2021, 10:15:13 PM »
if you raised $2T in revenue he would not approve $2T in spending.

hard to know since dems had to twist the excel sheets in knots to get close to 1.75.
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