which seniors are staying?

[ChiComCat]

It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

I don't think Howard will improve much based on a season of getting a lot of snaps, both in-game and practice, and seemingly not improving.  His first string snaps in practice are done.  I think Rubley is more talented and, provided he has the year to bake in our system under Sky, will beat out Howard in 2022.  While nothing is guaranteed, I really don't think either of those are terribly bold statements.

[MakeItRain]

Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

You are also completely discounting impartial assessments of the two quarterbacks. If all things considered equal the expectation should be that Rubley will be better than Howard, until Rubley or Howard have proven otherwise.

When I made my proclamation in early October that Rubley would never start a game here it was off the assumption that Howard would have outperformed his high school evaluation, that turned out not to be the case, he didn't perform any better than you would expect a low 3 star prospect to perform. Doesn't mean he can't or won't get better, but he didn't outperform his projection. If Rubley performs to his projection, that was made by the same impartial observers that observed Howard, he will be a better quarterback.

It's like saying the incoming freshman chemistry student with a 3.8 high school GPA and a 31 ACT will likely be a better college student than the sophomore who just finished her freshman year with a 3.2 cumulative GPA, who had a 3.4 in high school with a 25 ACT.

There's nothing wrong or flawed with thinking that Rubley will be a better quarterback.

[wetwillie]

I think we all want Rubley to be the guy in 2022. 

[chum1]

It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

I don't think Howard will improve much based on a season of getting a lot of snaps, both in-game and practice, and seemingly not improving.  His first string snaps in practice are done.  I think Rubley is more talented and, provided he has the year to bake in our system under Sky, will beat out Howard in 2022.  While nothing is guaranteed, I really don't think either of those are terribly bold statements.

I think history tells us generally both that players (especially freshmen!) improve over time and that physically impressive high school QBs are pretty hit or miss.

[8manpick]

Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

Maybe you missed the tweet that MIR sent

[chum1]

Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

You are also completely discounting impartial assessments of the two quarterbacks.

Not completely. But also not assigning nearly as much value to them.

[chum1]

Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

You are also completely discounting impartial assessments of the two quarterbacks.

Not completely. But also not assigning nearly as much value to them.

I mean, 100 Rubelys beats 100 Howards any day. But we're only talking about one of each.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

what was the story about Ell? that he could sit on the floor at one end of the hallway in his dorm and throw an apple and hit the exit sign at the other end of the hall? i'm guessing nobody has made any such musings about our guy Will

[ChiComCat]

It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

I don't think Howard will improve much based on a season of getting a lot of snaps, both in-game and practice, and seemingly not improving.  His first string snaps in practice are done.  I think Rubley is more talented and, provided he has the year to bake in our system under Sky, will beat out Howard in 2022.  While nothing is guaranteed, I really don't think either of those are terribly bold statements.

I think history tells us generally both that players (especially freshmen!) improve over time and that physically impressive high school QBs are pretty hit or miss.

Rubley is coming in much higher rated than Howard was.  The 2020 season has told us that Howard was, at best, accurately rated coming out of HS.  Given that information, I don't know why Howard would be expected to be better than Rubley.

Rubley will have a freshman year to learn and improve under Skyler, same as Howard so I don't know why that matters.  Even if physically impressive QBs are hit or miss, a physically impressive miss would be better than whatever type of miss Howard is right now.

It's certainly not a given as any recruit is kind of like taking what is behind door #2, but I agree with whoever said it was like 85% Rubley.

[michigancat]

Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.

you're not counting rushing TD's

INACCURATE!!!


also there were clearly games where he accounted for more TD's than TO's while you said he didn't do that in "all 7 games he started". In total that's true but not when you look at each individual game

INACCURATE!!!!

Son of a bitch... that's what I get for getting in a hurry. New numbers now including rushing touchdowns are as follows:

TCU: 1 INT 1 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 2 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

13 Turnovers and 10 Touchdowns

Will Howard only had 1 rushing touchdown against Tech, so that still doesn't change anything. I didn't state explicitly that I was talking his season totals, so that one can be on me. However, I meant overall, not each individual game. Having said that, you still look at those game breakdowns and it's not good.

He just flat out sucks at protecting the ball and we're never going to be a successful program with him under center unless that dramatically changes.

He didn't lose a fumble against KU

[michigancat]

It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

Nobody itt is saying either of those things as far as I can tell


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I said they seem to assume. I don't know how else people would conclude that Rubely should beat out Howard.

Yeah when someone says Howard has zero upside I think it's fair to assume they think he won't improve

[PurpleOil]

Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.

you're not counting rushing TD's

INACCURATE!!!


also there were clearly games where he accounted for more TD's than TO's while you said he didn't do that in "all 7 games he started". In total that's true but not when you look at each individual game

INACCURATE!!!!

Son of a bitch... that's what I get for getting in a hurry. New numbers now including rushing touchdowns are as follows:

TCU: 1 INT 1 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 2 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

13 Turnovers and 10 Touchdowns

Will Howard only had 1 rushing touchdown against Tech, so that still doesn't change anything. I didn't state explicitly that I was talking his season totals, so that one can be on me. However, I meant overall, not each individual game. Having said that, you still look at those game breakdowns and it's not good.

He just flat out sucks at protecting the ball and we're never going to be a successful program with him under center unless that dramatically changes.

He didn't lose a fumble against KU

Damn... that was Mozee. Welp, I'm clearly never accurate. 12 Turnovers 10 TD's

I feel like this still doesn't matter though as the ratio of turnovers to touchdowns is just so terrible that being off one or two either way just doesn't change how anyone should feel about him.

[steve dave]

I guess my feeling is his stats are meaningless. he's a frosh put into a shitty position and asked to deliver. he did fine stats wise imo. it's his looking like maybe he's not a good qb that's the concerning part.

[wetwillie]

I don’t think sky will make it the whole season so we will probably get to see sooner than 2022

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

[wetwillie]

I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

You can use them in 4 games and still redshirt so plenty of opportunity to give him some real game reps for kind of a best of both worlds scenario.

[Trim]

Wait, is there a chance we can have a quarterback like Ell again?

[wetwillie]

This coaching staff doesn’t like those kind of QB’s

[Dr Rick Daris]

i feel like i've watched enough of will in game to know who he is and isn't. i think he'll get better and if we were forced to only play him and only him for the next three years, i'd feel pretty decent about what he'd become by his senior year. i don't hate him or his potential.

Rubley just looks different though. You watch him step and throw (and i watched junior year of high school video) and you go oh ok. wow. he just looks the part. like if you knew nothing about either and uniforms were covered up and all the other players on the field were hidden and you only got to see the qb and how he looked and threw and the ball coming out, junior year in highschool rubley looks josh freemanesque  and freshman at kstate will howard looks like brian kavanaugh/carson coffman.

[pissclams]

how did will howard's high school videos look?

[wetwillie]

how did will howard's high school videos look?

They have been purged from the internet’s

[Cardiac Cats]

I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

You can use them in 4 games and still redshirt so plenty of opportunity to give him some real game reps for kind of a best of both worlds scenario.

Does this year count for Howard eligibility wise? Or is just for seniors coming back?

[wetwillie]

I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

You can use them in 4 games and still redshirt so plenty of opportunity to give him some real game reps for kind of a best of both worlds scenario.

Does this year count for Howard eligibility wise? Or is just for seniors coming back?

He will be a freshman next year again, and could redshirt and be a redshirt freshman in 2022

[steve dave]

so maybe by the time of Howard's final final year he'll be a crafty 34 yo veteran and know the schemes so good he just wins

[DQ12]

how did will howard's high school videos look?

Looked pretty good to me, imo.