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Title: which seniors are staying?
Post by: kashi1965 on December 19, 2020, 01:07:38 PM
poster on other board says 5 seniors are coming back. any news on who leaking out?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 19, 2020, 02:26:55 PM
Skylar, Jmac, Boom, Eli, Fletcher  if I were to guess
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 19, 2020, 02:29:06 PM
I hope Skylar is a superstar if he comes back because otherwise I'm kinda tired of him.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 19, 2020, 02:30:29 PM
Scratch Fletcher for Noah Johnson
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: kashi1965 on December 19, 2020, 02:44:28 PM
No drew wiley? obviously thompson would be the most important. it would be great to get massie and one of the DTs too. Our defense needs some serious infusion of talent and depth
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: bucket on December 19, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
Pretty pleased with those returning based on WW's reporting
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 19, 2020, 02:51:43 PM
Pretty pleased with those returning based on WW's reporting

It’s a good first step, we need a serious amount of ready to play transfers this off season though,  safety and linebacker specifically
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 19, 2020, 07:15:39 PM
Skylar, Jmac, Boom, Eli, Fletcher  if I were to guess

Gotta think Lynch is coming back.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: bucket on December 19, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
Skylar, Jmac, Boom, Eli, Fletcher  if I were to guess

Gotta think Lynch is coming back.

Would welcome back with open arms.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: nicname on December 19, 2020, 10:47:34 PM
All in for Sky “Weinke” Thompson to lead us to the promised land.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 20, 2020, 10:56:45 AM
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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: bucket on December 20, 2020, 11:09:06 AM
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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2020, 11:10:02 AM
QB room gonna be a little cozy even with Ast transferring
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Brock Landers on December 20, 2020, 11:24:43 AM
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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: TheTruth on December 20, 2020, 11:43:37 AM
I think it is a great situation. Let Rubley and Howard get more tutoring from Thompson for a year, then they battle it out. And capable back ups if needed.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 20, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
Jake Rubley @jake_rubley Dec 20
I have officially reopened my recruitment.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 20, 2020, 11:59:41 AM
Is that for real?  Because lol at CK if so.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 20, 2020, 12:01:20 PM
lol. No.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2020, 12:03:09 PM
Is that for real?  Because lol at CK if so.

lol you are trying too hard
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
Bruh didn't know signing day already happened, big yikes.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2020, 01:43:04 PM
This is great though, Skylar is a much better option than relying on one of these freshmen or having to find someone on the transfer market.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2020, 01:45:48 PM
QB room gonna be a little cozy even with Ast transferring

If Jaren Lewis stays you gotta think he's switching positions. If homeboy didn't play this year, he'll never ever play quarterback here.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 20, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
Skylar is honestly going to ball out next year.  Our line will be much improved and he probably will get another solid transfer TE option again.  Not sure if they will land a decent WR transfer but if Knowles stays and trends the way he was at the end of the year we could be a bowl team.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
We'll see how LB and WR shake out but I gotta think we are a bowl lock if Sky is healthy
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2020, 02:41:46 PM
We'll see how LB and WR shake out but I gotta think we are a bowl lock if Sky is healthy
Actually nevada may be pretty salty!
Title: which seniors are staying?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 20, 2020, 10:40:48 PM
If Skylar causes Rubely to transfer we rough ridin' riot


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2020, 10:54:45 PM
If Skylar causes Rubely to transfer we rough ridin' riot


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Greg, Rubley has already signed, chill.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 20, 2020, 10:55:53 PM
If Skylar causes Rubely to transfer we rough ridin' riot


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Greg, Rubley has already signed, chill.
It’s nightmare fuel though. I had a dream about it last night.


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 20, 2020, 11:44:50 PM
If Skylar causes Rubely to transfer we rough ridin' riot


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Greg, Rubley has already signed, chill.
It’s nightmare fuel though. I had a dream about it last night.


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He'll be in Manhattan in three weeks.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2020, 07:44:56 AM
rubley isn't changing schools because he'll have to be #2 or #3 year 1. now, year 2 all bets are off.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2020, 07:57:11 AM
I would imagine the loser of the 2022 QB competition moves on. 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 21, 2020, 11:26:39 AM
I would imagine the loser of the 2022 QB competition moves on.

Peace out Howard. Thanks for showing us how good Thompson really was.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2020, 11:51:25 AM
I would imagine the loser of the 2022 QB competition moves on.

Peace out Howard. Thanks for showing us how good Thompson really was.

I don’t think it’s as much of a slam dunk for Rubley as you think it is.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: kashi1965 on December 21, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
I would imagine the loser of the 2022 QB competition moves on.

Peace out Howard. Thanks for showing us how good Thompson really was.

I don’t think it’s as much of a slam dunk for Rubley as you think it is.
not when Howard has a 1 year head start on him and a lot of game experience now. Rubley will have to work his ass off and be more talented to be in the competition in 2022. but its a great situation for the program to have skylar  come back and let those 2 spend a year learning and competing. Even the #1 ranked QBs usually spend at least 1 year learning
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: star seed 7 on December 21, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
I thought having a freshman backup is unforgivable?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 21, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 01:22:12 PM
I agree with kashi - I think Howard will make great strides next year
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 21, 2020, 02:02:48 PM
I agree with kashi - I think Howard will make great strides next year

I don't think Howard ever takes another snap in MHK.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 21, 2020, 02:10:24 PM
Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2020, 02:15:12 PM
I agree with kashi - I think Howard will make great strides next year

Rubley is going to have to be spectacular to be able to start in the fall of 2022. So in that sense it is a pretty great  barometer.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
I agree with kashi - I think Howard will make great strides next year

Rubley is going to have to be spectacular to be able to start in the fall of 2022. So in that sense it is a pretty great  barometer.

I don't know about that. Unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 21, 2020, 02:38:29 PM
I think it's overwhelmingly likely that our 2022 starter is either Rubley or Howard.  And right now, I'd handicap it between those two at about 50/50.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
I think it's overwhelmingly likely that our 2022 starter is either Rubley or Howard.  And right now, I'd handicap it between those two at about 50/50.

I think this is reasonable
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 21, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.
Yeah. 

I know watching howard this year was super frustrating because he was pretty horrible most of the time, even grading him on a freshman curve, but a lot can change between now and 2022, which very well may be his redshirt freshman season.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: steve dave on December 21, 2020, 02:55:31 PM
I don't expect like quick decision making and pocket presence or knowledge of the plays and defenses and crap out of my freshmen qb. I do expect like a moderate amount of throwing the ball good. that expectation was not, like, met.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 02:56:26 PM
I don't expect like quick decision making and pocket presence or knowledge of the plays and defenses and crap out of my freshmen qb. I do expect like a moderate amount of throwing the ball good. that expectation was not, like, met.

there was a moderate amount during the KU, BU, and UT games. but yeah not overall
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2020, 03:00:19 PM
?s=20
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
You love to see it , need one from Eli and Jmac and we are in business
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: bucket on December 21, 2020, 03:02:22 PM
I don't expect like quick decision making and pocket presence or knowledge of the plays and defenses and crap out of my freshmen qb. I do expect like a moderate amount of throwing the ball good. that expectation was not, like, met.

there was a moderate amount during the KU, BU, and UT games. but yeah not overall

I thought he looked good against ULL and Tech. He only got one throw against ULL but it was a good ball that I remember, because I was like wow! He probably wasn't as anxious in those games because there was less pressure on the kid since he came in on relief.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 21, 2020, 03:07:27 PM
You mean Arkansas State?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: bucket on December 21, 2020, 03:08:25 PM
You mean Arkansas State?

Yes
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 21, 2020, 03:23:23 PM
I don't expect like quick decision making and pocket presence or knowledge of the plays and defenses and crap out of my freshmen qb. I do expect like a moderate amount of throwing the ball good. that expectation was not, like, met.

Even his completed passes lacked sex appeal. Dude just throws an ugly ass ball, which leads me to believe he'll always be inaccurate.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 21, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
why does everyone just assume that howard will transfer if rubley beats him out in 2022? he seems to like it here and seems to like his coaches.

I'd also be a little surprised if rubley doesn't beat him out. not like flat out shocked or anything but definitely surpised. i'd handicap it more like 85-15. i mean between the two of them, one was the#12 ranked pro qb in his class and the other is will howard.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 21, 2020, 04:25:31 PM
why does everyone just assume that howard will transfer if rubley beats him out in 2022? he seems to like it here and seems to like his coaches.

I'd also be a little surprised if rubley doesn't beat him out. not like flat out shocked or anything but definitely surpised. i'd handicap it more like 85-15. i mean between the two of them, one was the#12 ranked pro qb in his class and the other is will howard.
yeah but will howard will have had an extra year, which can make quite a bit of difference.  who knows what will looks like 20 months from now.  could be good by then!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 21, 2020, 04:37:42 PM
Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 21, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
Rubes will be in Manhattan for almost 9 months before game 1 of 2021. For someone with his talent, that's like 3 years of experience for Will.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 05:04:28 PM
Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.

you're not counting rushing TD's

INACCURATE!!!


also there were clearly games where he accounted for more TD's than TO's while you said he didn't do that in "all 7 games he started". In total that's true but not when you look at each individual game

INACCURATE!!!!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 21, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
Rubes will be in Manhattan for almost 9 months before game 1 of 2021. For someone with his talent, that's like 3 years of experience for Will.

Thompson starts next year, but yeah. Will got to kstate august 2020. Rubley will get here January 2021. So we’re talking 24 months at kstate vs 19 months when they’re competing for the 2022 starting job. The whole Howard will have way more time and experience is close to a non issue in my opinion.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2020, 07:31:47 PM
Rubes will be in Manhattan for almost 9 months before game 1 of 2021. For someone with his talent, that's like 3 years of experience for Will.

Thompson starts next year, but yeah. Will got to kstate august 2020. Rubley will get here January 2021. So we’re talking 24 months at kstate vs 19 months when they’re competing for the 2022 starting job. The whole Howard will have way more time and experience is close to a non issue in my opinion.

Howard was an early enrollee, but not sure it didn’t him any good since they didn’t get any spring practices
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Purple Apathy on December 21, 2020, 07:58:43 PM
I could care less if his turnovers were due to a few careless fumbles or because he couldn't read defenses and was still slinging the football.

The problem with Howard is he can't sling the football. Period. He has no upside. He flat out cannot make the throws a college QB is expected to make.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 21, 2020, 08:46:14 PM
MODS!

can we please break the qb slap fight out of this thread?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: bucket on December 21, 2020, 08:56:29 PM
MODS!

can we please break the qb slap fight out of this thread?

It was a frustrating season. I regrettably understand the fingerpointing.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: kashi1965 on December 21, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
I listened to gopowercat.com podcast today and their 2 recruiting analysts talked a lot about Rubley but said Howard's high school film actually showed a stronger arm than Rubley.
That is very troubling. among 10 concerning things about Howard his lack of arm strength was #1.
they said Rubley is ahead in ability to see the field and look off receivers.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 21, 2020, 10:31:21 PM
They’re idiots then. I just watched about twenty rubley throws In a recruiting video. He has a stronger arm and 200% better mechanics than Howard. I’m not sure how anyone could come to the conclusion that they did.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2020, 11:30:00 PM
Can mechanics and arm strength improve?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 21, 2020, 11:35:58 PM
why does everyone just assume that howard will transfer if rubley beats him out in 2022? he seems to like it here and seems to like his coaches.

I'd also be a little surprised if rubley doesn't beat him out. not like flat out shocked or anything but definitely surpised. i'd handicap it more like 85-15. i mean between the two of them, one was the#12 ranked pro qb in his class and the other is will howard.

I agree with this, I think Rubley has a better chance of unseating Skylar in 2021 than Howard does of starting over Rubley in 2022, accounting for all three remaining healthy of course.

I listened to gopowercat.com podcast today and their 2 recruiting analysts talked a lot about Rubley but said Howard's high school film actually showed a stronger arm than Rubley.
That is very troubling. among 10 concerning things about Howard his lack of arm strength was #1.
they said Rubley is ahead in ability to see the field and look off receivers.

You have had to misheard them, if they said this it's the dumbest thing I've heard in some while.

Look at the video in this link, this was from when he was a high school sophomore
https://n.rivals.com/news/highlands-ranch-qb-jake-rubley-is-a-stud-2021-prospect

This was him at Elite 11 last February
https://www.si.com/college/recruiting/football/k-state-qb-commit-rubley-impresses

Finally I can't post this enough
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2020, 12:42:54 AM
This is going to sound facetious but it's not, I love rusty's steadfastness with not giving up on Will Howard. You're 100% right though. Howard has unquestionably better stats across the board as a partial freshman year than Ell did through his entire sophomore year. The only stat Ell had more of was touchdown runs but Ell had a lot more attempts. Will has more touchdowns, yards per attempt, adjusted yards per attempt, less interceptions, even the yards per carry between the two is the same 4.7. This was 16 games for Ell compared to only 9 for Will. So he still has plenty of time.

I will say the only difference is that with Ell, even if he wasn't producing and turning the ball over badly, we could see it was in him, we saw he was going to be good. Will didn't show that yet, he's plucky but we aren't seeing anything close to what we saw with Ell.

This whole game used to be on YouTube but now it's gone, anyway it's my favorite loss of all time, any sport. You'll get the idea from the highlights.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/pG_oOPFiQZg[/youtube]
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 06:51:19 AM
It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2020, 07:27:42 AM
It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.
Nobody itt is saying either of those things as far as I can tell


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 07:33:17 AM
It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.
Nobody itt is saying either of those things as far as I can tell


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I said they seem to assume. I don't know how else people would conclude that Rubely should beat out Howard.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 07:41:11 AM
Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 22, 2020, 07:45:30 AM
Imagine if TCU goes on to score on their last drive after Will fell down with no one around him, lol.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 22, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.

you're not counting rushing TD's

INACCURATE!!!


also there were clearly games where he accounted for more TD's than TO's while you said he didn't do that in "all 7 games he started". In total that's true but not when you look at each individual game

INACCURATE!!!!

Son of a bitch... that's what I get for getting in a hurry. New numbers now including rushing touchdowns are as follows:

TCU: 1 INT 1 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 2 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

13 Turnovers and 10 Touchdowns

Will Howard only had 1 rushing touchdown against Tech, so that still doesn't change anything. I didn't state explicitly that I was talking his season totals, so that one can be on me. However, I meant overall, not each individual game. Having said that, you still look at those game breakdowns and it's not good.

He just flat out sucks at protecting the ball and we're never going to be a successful program with him under center unless that dramatically changes.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 22, 2020, 08:07:32 AM
I will say the only difference is that with Ell, even if he wasn't producing and turning the ball over badly, we could see it was in him, we saw he was going to be good. Will didn't show that yet, he's plucky but we aren't seeing anything close to what we saw with Ell.

^This right here. Howard hasn't shown flashes of brilliance.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: ChiComCat on December 22, 2020, 08:32:43 AM
It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

I don't think Howard will improve much based on a season of getting a lot of snaps, both in-game and practice, and seemingly not improving.  His first string snaps in practice are done.  I think Rubley is more talented and, provided he has the year to bake in our system under Sky, will beat out Howard in 2022.  While nothing is guaranteed, I really don't think either of those are terribly bold statements.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2020, 08:42:55 AM
Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

You are also completely discounting impartial assessments of the two quarterbacks. If all things considered equal the expectation should be that Rubley will be better than Howard, until Rubley or Howard have proven otherwise.

When I made my proclamation in early October that Rubley would never start a game here it was off the assumption that Howard would have outperformed his high school evaluation, that turned out not to be the case, he didn't perform any better than you would expect a low 3 star prospect to perform. Doesn't mean he can't or won't get better, but he didn't outperform his projection. If Rubley performs to his projection, that was made by the same impartial observers that observed Howard, he will be a better quarterback.

It's like saying the incoming freshman chemistry student with a 3.8 high school GPA and a 31 ACT will likely be a better college student than the sophomore who just finished her freshman year with a 3.2 cumulative GPA, who had a 3.4 in high school with a 25 ACT.

There's nothing wrong or flawed with thinking that Rubley will be a better quarterback.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 08:43:58 AM
I think we all want Rubley to be the guy in 2022. 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 08:44:32 AM
It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

I don't think Howard will improve much based on a season of getting a lot of snaps, both in-game and practice, and seemingly not improving.  His first string snaps in practice are done.  I think Rubley is more talented and, provided he has the year to bake in our system under Sky, will beat out Howard in 2022.  While nothing is guaranteed, I really don't think either of those are terribly bold statements.

I think history tells us generally both that players (especially freshmen!) improve over time and that physically impressive high school QBs are pretty hit or miss.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 8manpick on December 22, 2020, 08:45:53 AM
Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

Maybe you missed the tweet that MIR sent
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 08:47:56 AM
Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

You are also completely discounting impartial assessments of the two quarterbacks.

Not completely. But also not assigning nearly as much value to them.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2020, 08:49:31 AM
Here's another way to think about it. It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that Rubely would have been a better 2020 K-State QB than Howard was. There's almost nothing to base that on.

You are also completely discounting impartial assessments of the two quarterbacks.

Not completely. But also not assigning nearly as much value to them.

I mean, 100 Rubelys beats 100 Howards any day. But we're only talking about one of each.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 22, 2020, 08:50:54 AM
what was the story about Ell? that he could sit on the floor at one end of the hallway in his dorm and throw an apple and hit the exit sign at the other end of the hall? i'm guessing nobody has made any such musings about our guy Will
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: ChiComCat on December 22, 2020, 09:09:42 AM
It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.

I don't think Howard will improve much based on a season of getting a lot of snaps, both in-game and practice, and seemingly not improving.  His first string snaps in practice are done.  I think Rubley is more talented and, provided he has the year to bake in our system under Sky, will beat out Howard in 2022.  While nothing is guaranteed, I really don't think either of those are terribly bold statements.

I think history tells us generally both that players (especially freshmen!) improve over time and that physically impressive high school QBs are pretty hit or miss.

Rubley is coming in much higher rated than Howard was.  The 2020 season has told us that Howard was, at best, accurately rated coming out of HS.  Given that information, I don't know why Howard would be expected to be better than Rubley.

Rubley will have a freshman year to learn and improve under Skyler, same as Howard so I don't know why that matters.  Even if physically impressive QBs are hit or miss, a physically impressive miss would be better than whatever type of miss Howard is right now.

It's certainly not a given as any recruit is kind of like taking what is behind door #2, but I agree with whoever said it was like 85% Rubley.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 09:19:48 AM


Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.

you're not counting rushing TD's

INACCURATE!!!


also there were clearly games where he accounted for more TD's than TO's while you said he didn't do that in "all 7 games he started". In total that's true but not when you look at each individual game

INACCURATE!!!!

Son of a bitch... that's what I get for getting in a hurry. New numbers now including rushing touchdowns are as follows:

TCU: 1 INT 1 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 2 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

13 Turnovers and 10 Touchdowns

Will Howard only had 1 rushing touchdown against Tech, so that still doesn't change anything. I didn't state explicitly that I was talking his season totals, so that one can be on me. However, I meant overall, not each individual game. Having said that, you still look at those game breakdowns and it's not good.

He just flat out sucks at protecting the ball and we're never going to be a successful program with him under center unless that dramatically changes.

He didn't lose a fumble against KU
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 09:21:24 AM


It's amazing to me that people seem to assume that (a) Howard will not improve and (b) Rubely, in virtue of being somewhat highly rated, will be good. The only thing I'd bet on is that Howard will get better.
Nobody itt is saying either of those things as far as I can tell


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I said they seem to assume. I don't know how else people would conclude that Rubely should beat out Howard.

Yeah when someone says Howard has zero upside I think it's fair to assume they think he won't improve
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 22, 2020, 09:41:37 AM


Here's yet another reminder that Howard gave the ball to the other teams more times than he either ran or threw it into the endzone in all 7 games he started.

It's not going to be hard to beat him.

I don't think this is accurate! Or know why you would exclude Tech.

But I agree improving his decision making and ball control is probably most important for him to make an impact down the line.

I'm always accurate.

I excluded Tech because as I said originally, he didn't start.

TCU: 1 INT 0 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 1 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 1 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

Total: 12 Turnovers 7 Touchdowns

So even if I had included the 1 touchdown he accounted for in the Tech game, he still gave it to the other teams far more often.

you're not counting rushing TD's

INACCURATE!!!


also there were clearly games where he accounted for more TD's than TO's while you said he didn't do that in "all 7 games he started". In total that's true but not when you look at each individual game

INACCURATE!!!!

Son of a bitch... that's what I get for getting in a hurry. New numbers now including rushing touchdowns are as follows:

TCU: 1 INT 1 TD
KU: 1 Fumble 2 TD
WVU: 3 INT 1 TD
OSU: 1 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD
ISU: 1 INT 0 TD
RapeU: 2 INT 2 TD
UT: 2 INT 1 Fumble 2 TD

13 Turnovers and 10 Touchdowns

Will Howard only had 1 rushing touchdown against Tech, so that still doesn't change anything. I didn't state explicitly that I was talking his season totals, so that one can be on me. However, I meant overall, not each individual game. Having said that, you still look at those game breakdowns and it's not good.

He just flat out sucks at protecting the ball and we're never going to be a successful program with him under center unless that dramatically changes.

He didn't lose a fumble against KU

Damn... that was Mozee. Welp, I'm clearly never accurate. 12 Turnovers 10 TD's

I feel like this still doesn't matter though as the ratio of turnovers to touchdowns is just so terrible that being off one or two either way just doesn't change how anyone should feel about him.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2020, 09:56:07 AM
I guess my feeling is his stats are meaningless. he's a frosh put into a shitty position and asked to deliver. he did fine stats wise imo. it's his looking like maybe he's not a good qb that's the concerning part.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
I don’t think sky will make it the whole season so we will probably get to see sooner than 2022
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 22, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 10:25:47 AM
I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

You can use them in 4 games and still redshirt so plenty of opportunity to give him some real game reps for kind of a best of both worlds scenario.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Trim on December 22, 2020, 10:53:41 AM
Wait, is there a chance we can have a quarterback like Ell again?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
This coaching staff doesn’t like those kind of QB’s
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 22, 2020, 11:21:28 AM
i feel like i've watched enough of will in game to know who he is and isn't. i think he'll get better and if we were forced to only play him and only him for the next three years, i'd feel pretty decent about what he'd become by his senior year. i don't hate him or his potential.

Rubley just looks different though. You watch him step and throw (and i watched junior year of high school video) and you go oh ok. wow. he just looks the part. like if you knew nothing about either and uniforms were covered up and all the other players on the field were hidden and you only got to see the qb and how he looked and threw and the ball coming out, junior year in highschool rubley looks josh freemanesque  and freshman at kstate will howard looks like brian kavanaugh/carson coffman.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: pissclams on December 22, 2020, 11:54:17 AM
how did will howard's high school videos look?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 11:57:28 AM
how did will howard's high school videos look?

They have been purged from the internet’s
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Cardiac Cats on December 22, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

You can use them in 4 games and still redshirt so plenty of opportunity to give him some real game reps for kind of a best of both worlds scenario.

Does this year count for Howard eligibility wise? Or is just for seniors coming back?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 12:21:52 PM
I think we will likely try to redshirt Rubley next year and Howard will be the backup, depending on what the season is looking like if Sky gets injured.

You can use them in 4 games and still redshirt so plenty of opportunity to give him some real game reps for kind of a best of both worlds scenario.

Does this year count for Howard eligibility wise? Or is just for seniors coming back?

He will be a freshman next year again, and could redshirt and be a redshirt freshman in 2022
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2020, 12:26:44 PM
so maybe by the time of Howard's final final year he'll be a crafty 34 yo veteran and know the schemes so good he just wins
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 22, 2020, 12:30:52 PM
how did will howard's high school videos look?
Looked pretty good to me, imo.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Cire on December 22, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
Howard  has a rag arm


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 22, 2020, 12:59:16 PM
how did will howard's high school videos look?
Looked pretty good to me, imo.

agree with dlew. Howard’s high school qb vids looked pretty good. They are fine, reasonable, pretty good, serviceable.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
NOT STOUT


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 22, 2020, 01:17:43 PM
This coaching staff doesn’t like those kind of QB’s

What the eff? I know what you're doing here and it's very stupid. It was the same staff that recruited and developed Trey Lance.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
This coaching staff doesn’t like those kind of QB’s

What the eff? I know what you're doing here and it's very stupid. It was the same staff that recruited and developed Trey Lance.

This staff likes and recruits QB’s who can play in a Pro Style Offense , how is Trey Lance a deviation from that? 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Pete on December 22, 2020, 01:34:03 PM
I guess my feeling is his stats are meaningless. he's a frosh put into a shitty position and asked to deliver. he did fine stats wise imo. it's his looking like maybe he's not a good qb that's the concerning part.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PIPE on December 22, 2020, 02:17:54 PM
Howard  has a rag arm


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^^^^^^^^^^This
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 22, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Jmac is coming back!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: joda on December 22, 2020, 02:35:54 PM
Jmac is coming back!

Stop deviating to the point of this thread!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Jmac is coming back!

Return of the j MAC!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2020, 02:42:04 PM
Love him!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 22, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
He was really good for a good part of this season until he got dinged up. 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 22, 2020, 03:06:51 PM
That's huge.

I'm shitty at following this stuff, is there a tracker for stayers/goers?

Been any announcements or rumblings/grumblings with the LB's? Hughes and Sullivan going for an 8th year? Fletcher? or AJ Parker?

Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 22, 2020, 03:07:56 PM
Hughes is out
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 22, 2020, 03:15:28 PM
That's huge.

I'm shitty at following this stuff, is there a tracker for stayers/goers?

Been any announcements or rumblings/grumblings with the LB's? Hughes and Sullivan going for an 8th year? Fletcher? or AJ Parker?
You are looking at the official senior tracker thread of goEMAW shooter


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 22, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
Feel free to edit/add or let's get back to the Howard/Rubley chat.

Offense
Skylar Thompson: Returning
Tyler Burns: TBD
Wykeen Gill: Gone
DJamer Render: TBD
Briley Moore: Gone
Justin Eichman: TBD

Defense
Boom Massie: Returning
Drew Wiley: TBD
Cody Fletcher: TBD
Elijah Sullivan: TBD
Justin Hughes: Gone
Jahron McPherson: Returning
AJ Parker: TBD

Special Teams:
Blake Lynch: TBD
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 03:46:44 PM
Feel free to edit/add or let's get back to the Howard/Rubley chat.

Offense
Skylar Thompson: Returning
Tyler Burns: TBD
Wykeen Gill: Gone
DJamer Render: TBD
Briley Moore: Gone
Justin Eichman: TBD

Defense
Boom Massie: Returning
Drew Wiley: TBD
Cody Fletcher: TBD
Elijah Sullivan: TBD
Justin Hughes: Gone
Jahron McPherson: Returning
AJ Parker: TBD

Special Teams:
Blake Lynch: TBD

Parker and Wiley are gone
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 22, 2020, 04:26:13 PM
Offense
Skylar Thompson: Returning
Tyler Burns: TBD
Wykeen Gill: Gone
DJamer Render: TBD
Briley Moore: Gone
Noah Johnson: TBD
Justin Eichman: TBD

Defense
Boom Massie: Returning
Drew Wiley: Gone
Cody Fletcher: TBD
Elijah Sullivan: TBD
Justin Hughes: Gone
Jahron McPherson: Returning
AJ Parker: Gone

Special Teams:
Blake Lynch: TBD
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 22, 2020, 04:27:11 PM
Noah Johnson?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 22, 2020, 04:35:27 PM
Noah Johnson?

Yeah, I know a Johnson.  What of it?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Trim on December 22, 2020, 04:41:16 PM
What classes will these 6th-year dudes be taking?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2020, 04:41:30 PM
Animal Husbandry
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on December 22, 2020, 04:41:44 PM
What classes will these 6th-year dudes be taking?
Bowling


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Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 22, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
Noah Johnson?

Noah dea. + him to the list. 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: KITNfury on December 22, 2020, 07:41:41 PM
This coaching staff doesn’t like those kind of QB’s

What the eff? I know what you're doing here and it's very stupid. It was the same staff that recruited and developed Trey Lance.

This staff likes and recruits QB’s who can play in a Pro Style Offense , how is Trey Lance a deviation from that?
I knew what you meant WW.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: MakeItRain on December 23, 2020, 05:21:28 AM
This coaching staff doesn’t like those kind of QB’s

What the eff? I know what you're doing here and it's very stupid. It was the same staff that recruited and developed Trey Lance.

This staff likes and recruits QB’s who can play in a Pro Style Offense , how is Trey Lance a deviation from that?

Is that really what you meant though? Who does recruit dual threat QBs anymore on a consistent basis other than Oklahoma and Alabama? You make it seem like taking supposed pro style QBs and running them a lot is something specific to this staff. It isn't a matter of what they like and don't like, it's pretty clear they like to run their QBs a lot, it's a matter of how the pool of QBs have changed. Didn't they offer a high 3* 2020 dual threat before settling on Howard? I think it's silly to assume this staff wouldn't recruit a QB that could run and throw like Ell, he'd be perfect for them.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
Offense
Skylar Thompson: Returning
Tyler Burns: TBD
Wykeen Gill: Gone
DJamer Render: TBD
Briley Moore: Gone
Noah Johnson: TBD
Justin Eichman: TBD

Defense
Boom Massie: Returning
Drew Wiley: Gone
Cody Fletcher: TBD
Elijah Sullivan: TBD
Justin Hughes: Gone
Jahron McPherson: Returning
AJ Parker: Gone

Special Teams:
Blake Lynch: TBD

Eli Sullivan GONE
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: ChiComCat on December 23, 2020, 11:31:10 AM
Hubert deserves a spot on the gone list.

I was hoping for Sullivan to return.  Thought another year could help him (and certainly us) but if you're close, probably better to go this year?  Perhaps a less crowded group and anything you accomplish will still be graded against being a year older coming out in a more crowded class.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 23, 2020, 11:38:57 AM
I didn't realize 2021 would have been Sullivan's 7th season in MHK
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 23, 2020, 11:41:28 AM
Offense
Skylar Thompson: Returning
Tyler Burns: TBD
Wykeen Gill: Gone
DJamer Render: TBD
Briley Moore: Gone
Noah Johnson: TBD
Justin Eichman: TBD

Defense
Boom Massie: Returning
Wyatt Hubert: Gone
Drew Wiley: Gone
Cody Fletcher: TBD
Elijah Sullivan: Gone
Justin Hughes: Gone
Jahron McPherson: Returning
AJ Parker: Gone

Special Teams:
Blake Lynch: TBD
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 23, 2020, 12:16:34 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season. 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Trim on December 23, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season. 

Fh has a 1-game lead over RP so far.  RP started 4-5 (1-4) in his 3rd year before KSU decided they'd part ways.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 23, 2020, 01:17:58 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season.
Depending on transfers, I think we could be alright.  Defense will be ugly (assuming we don't knock it out of the park in the transfer market), but offense should be hot sexy fire with Skylar back and Deuce being a bit more mature physically -- especially if knowles gets whatever plagued him this year figured out.

Plus harry trotter won't be getting 70 carries, which will be nice.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
We are going to eat major crap the next two years at LB without some kind of transfer miracle.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
We'll be fine with Sky. I think we win half the games we had this year without him, with him.

Saturday
Sep. 4   Stanford Football Schedule   
Stanford Cardinal
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS       WIN

Sep. 11   Southern Illinois Salukis Football Schedule   
Southern Illinois Salukis                                  WIN
Bill

Sep. 18   Nevada Football Schedule   
Nevada Wolf Pack
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS       WIN


Date TBA   Kansas Football Schedule   
at Kansas Jayhawks
David Booth Kansas Mem. Stadium, Lawrence, KS   WIN
   
Date TBA   Baylor Football Schedule   
Baylor Bears
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS                 WIN

Date TBA   Iowa State Football Schedule   
Iowa State Cyclones
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS             WIN

Date TBA   Oklahoma Football Schedule   
Oklahoma Sooners
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS             LOSS
   
Date TBA   TCU Football Schedule   
TCU Horned Frogs
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS           WIN

Date TBA   West Virginia Football Schedule   
West Virginia Mountaineers
LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium, Manhattan, KS          WIN

Date TBA   Oklahoma State Cowboys Football Schedule   
at Oklahoma State Cowboys
Boone Pickens Stadium, Stillwater, OK                LOSS

Date TBA   Texas Football Schedule   
at Texas Longhorns
DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium, Austin, TX         LOSS
   
Date TBA   Texas Tech Football Schedule   
at Texas Tech Red Raiders
Jones AT&T Stadium, Lubbock, TX               WIN





9-3. Maybe 7-5. I could see us going 2-1 in the non con.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: PurpleOil on December 23, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Awefully bold predictions to say we'll beat Iowa State, WVU, TCU and Standford. Those games are definitely not gimmies.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 23, 2020, 02:22:27 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season.
Depending on transfers, I think we could be alright.  Defense will be ugly (assuming we don't knock it out of the park in the transfer market), but offense should be hot sexy fire with Skylar back and Deuce being a bit more mature physically -- especially if knowles gets whatever plagued him this year figured out.

Plus harry trotter won't be getting 70 carries, which will be nice.
We need a thunder RB to compliment our lightning!
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2020, 02:26:13 PM
Awefully bold predictions to say we'll beat Iowa State, WVU, TCU and Standford. Those games are definitely not gimmies.
We beat TCU with Howard. Stanford was OK this year. I think we'll have a tougher time with Nevada. We beat WVU this year with Sky for sure. Is Purdy back next year? I honestly have no clue.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 23, 2020, 02:38:50 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season.
Depending on transfers, I think we could be alright.  Defense will be ugly (assuming we don't knock it out of the park in the transfer market), but offense should be hot sexy fire with Skylar back and Deuce being a bit more mature physically -- especially if knowles gets whatever plagued him this year figured out.

Plus harry trotter won't be getting 70 carries, which will be nice.
We need a thunder RB to compliment our lightning!
People always say that, but Sproles didn't have any thunder.  I get that right now, Deuce probably can't handle a 20+ carry workload game in game out, but I don't necessarily think we need some badass daniel thomas clone (though it would be nice).  just give more carries to the best RBs we got, regardless of their style, IMO.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 23, 2020, 03:04:10 PM
Is Klanderman transferring out?
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 23, 2020, 03:22:18 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season.
Depending on transfers, I think we could be alright.  Defense will be ugly (assuming we don't knock it out of the park in the transfer market), but offense should be hot sexy fire with Skylar back and Deuce being a bit more mature physically -- especially if knowles gets whatever plagued him this year figured out.

Plus harry trotter won't be getting 70 carries, which will be nice.
We need a thunder RB to compliment our lightning!
People always say that, but Sproles didn't have any thunder.  I get that right now, Deuce probably can't handle a 20+ carry workload game in game out, but I don't necessarily think we need some badass daniel thomas clone (though it would be nice).  just give more carries to the best RBs we got, regardless of their style, IMO.
Don't think Deuce is built quite like tank though. He did take some big pops this season and hop right back up though.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2020, 03:36:40 PM
Awefully bold predictions to say we'll beat Iowa State, WVU, TCU and Standford. Those games are definitely not gimmies.
We beat TCU with Howard. Stanford was OK this year. I think we'll have a tougher time with Nevada. We beat WVU this year with Sky for sure. Is Purdy back next year? I honestly have no clue.

Did you watch the WVU game this year? ISU is also going to go in dry on us in 2021. 2022 is our year.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2020, 03:45:17 PM
Awefully bold predictions to say we'll beat Iowa State, WVU, TCU and Standford. Those games are definitely not gimmies.
We beat TCU with Howard. Stanford was OK this year. I think we'll have a tougher time with Nevada. We beat WVU this year with Sky for sure. Is Purdy back next year? I honestly have no clue.

Did you watch the WVU game this year? ISU is also going to go in dry on us in 2021. 2022 is our year.
Yeah, I was thinking of Oklahoma St. We would have won that game with Sky. Switch those games around.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 23, 2020, 04:06:54 PM
2022 is our year.

2021 is year 3 for Kli, I doubt Gene gives a crap, but the fan base needs to see the program trending up next year as well.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
2022 is our year.

2021 is year 3 for Kli, I doubt Gene gives a crap, but the fan base needs to see the program trending up next year as well.

Not sure what to say other than I think the team will win 6 games and Klieman won’t get fired.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 23, 2020, 04:46:46 PM
2022 is our year.

2021 is year 3 for Kli, I doubt Gene gives a crap, but the fan base needs to see the program trending up next year as well.

Not sure what to say other than I think the team will win 6 games and Klieman won’t get fired.

Yeah, I guess I didn't really say much.

I could definitely see this team (the one that ended the year, with the guys leaving, and without some significant transfer contributors coming in) being 2-5 to start next year. That'd be a 2 wins in 12 game stretch of suck, with 2 of your last 3 wins being against KU. I'm at 5 or 6 wins in 2021 right now, but who knows what could happen if that's the record 7 games in. 
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: michigancat on December 23, 2020, 05:04:02 PM
2022 is our year.

2021 is year 3 for Kli, I doubt Gene gives a crap, but the fan base needs to see the program trending up next year as well.

Not sure what to say other than I think the team will win 6 games and Klieman won’t get fired.

Yeah, I guess I didn't really say much.

I could definitely see this team (the one that ended the year, with the guys leaving, and without some significant transfer contributors coming in) being 2-5 to start next year. That'd be a 2 wins in 12 game stretch of suck, with 2 of your last 3 wins being against KU. I'm at 5 or 6 wins in 2021 right now, but who knows what could happen if that's the record 7 games in.

If the team starts 2-5 and finishes 4-1 fans will be thrilled because they are very emotional and have short memories
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on December 23, 2020, 05:16:42 PM
Absolutely, I have them finishing 3-2 for now, just noting who knows what could happen if they're actually 2-5 and maybe there are lockerroom issues or something (again?). Just a stupid hypothetical.

For fun, what if something like a QB change to Rubley happens at 2-5, we finish 3-2/4-1 (5 w/ a bowl??!?), then the fans cream themselves the whole offseason waiting for 2022.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: DQ12 on December 23, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
We are going to suck so much crap next season.
Depending on transfers, I think we could be alright.  Defense will be ugly (assuming we don't knock it out of the park in the transfer market), but offense should be hot sexy fire with Skylar back and Deuce being a bit more mature physically -- especially if knowles gets whatever plagued him this year figured out.

Plus harry trotter won't be getting 70 carries, which will be nice.
We need a thunder RB to compliment our lightning!
People always say that, but Sproles didn't have any thunder.  I get that right now, Deuce probably can't handle a 20+ carry workload game in game out, but I don't necessarily think we need some badass daniel thomas clone (though it would be nice).  just give more carries to the best RBs we got, regardless of their style, IMO.
Don't think Deuce is built quite like tank though. He did take some big pops this season and hop right back up though.
Yeah but Sproles was tiny his freshman year too.  Deuce could stand to put on about 10-15 pounds, which doesn’t seem too extraordinary.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: kashi1965 on December 23, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
will we ever have a kick ass defense ever again? I miss the days our DL would be in the backfield on every other play and our secondary knocked down every other pass.
i know our LB situation is going to suck next year but how much worse can it get from this year? I think the dL is going to suck too. We really need a DL coach who can recruit DL studs every year. Fork over another $250,000 per year and get a legit DL recruiter
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 23, 2020, 08:35:13 PM
will we ever have a kick ass defense ever again? I miss the days our DL would be in the backfield on every other play and our secondary knocked down every other pass.
i know our LB situation is going to suck next year but how much worse can it get from this year? I think the dL is going to suck too. We really need a DL coach who can recruit DL studs every year. Fork over another $250,000 per year and get a legit DL recruiter
College football is way more competitive in 2020 vs the ‘90’s. Athletes are being spread out across conferences every year. I agree, the ‘90’s were fun, but grow up Peter Pan. Kli is a perfect fit for K-State and it will work out. We’ll never have a top 25 recruiting class in Manhattan and if we do, it probably means the town grew. This chings sock is thee worst...
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 04, 2021, 09:17:46 AM
Blake Lynch is gone.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 04, 2021, 10:45:35 AM
Blake Lynch is gone.
This probably makes me an awful human being BUT his first year here before he had ever kicked or anything I had no clue who he was and thought he was a make a wish kid.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 12, 2021, 07:53:01 PM
Cody Fletcher is coming back.

I’d really like a big LB transfer but I’m not sure any are even available.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: cfbandyman on January 12, 2021, 09:58:02 PM
Having Fletcher back is solid, agreed it's be great to get a stud transfer, but we gotta take everything we get at that position.
Title: Re: which seniors are staying?
Post by: Shooter Jones on January 25, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
Offense
Skylar Thompson: Returning
Wykeen Gill: Gone
Briley Moore: Gone
Noah Johnson:  Returning


Defense
Boom Massie: Returning
Drew Wiley: Gone
Cody Fletcher:  Returning
Elijah Sullivan: Gone
Justin Hughes: Gone
Jahron McPherson: Returning
AJ Parker: Gone

Special Teams:
Blake Lynch: Gone