Farmageddon Thread

[BIG APPLE CAT]

We had multiple plays where we needed a defender to make a one-on-one play and we didn't do it.

These ono-on-one plays were in the secondary.  Defenses are set up to prevent the necessity of one-on-one plays in the secondary.  Yeah, the guy that got the last touchdown was not in a one-on-one situation, he did make a hell of a play.  I get your point that Iowa State made plays, but it's baffling that they had so many big plays of 50+ yards going for touchdowns (wasn't all their touchdowns on 50+ yard plays, or close to it?).  I've never seen that in ANY game, much less a K-State game where the Cats couldn't put a stop to big plays.  Something was goofy.  You're welcome to claim that Iowa State just played that exceptionally well, I just think there's more to it than that.

What was up with the play where it looked like our defender was playing two hand touch with Sama and then fell to the turf after incorrectly calculating that he could knock Sama down with just a firm shove? Some sort of weird equal and opposite reaction thing going on. Just a very, very weird game for the defense. Also, the offense would run crappy plays on first and second down and then we would miraculously convert 3rd/4th down and long. Seems like it happened a lot. One of the weirdest Cat football games I've ever watched. Up there with 2010 aTm in terms of weird, unexpected things happening.

Did you mean 2011 aTm (quadruple overtime)?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

We had multiple plays where we needed a defender to make a one-on-one play and we didn't do it.

These ono-on-one plays were in the secondary.  Defenses are set up to prevent the necessity of one-on-one plays in the secondary.  Yeah, the guy that got the last touchdown was not in a one-on-one situation, he did make a hell of a play.  I get your point that Iowa State made plays, but it's baffling that they had so many big plays of 50+ yards going for touchdowns (wasn't all their touchdowns on 50+ yard plays, or close to it?).  I've never seen that in ANY game, much less a K-State game where the Cats couldn't put a stop to big plays.  Something was goofy.  You're welcome to claim that Iowa State just played that exceptionally well, I just think there's more to it than that.

What was up with the play where it looked like our defender was playing two hand touch with Sama and then fell to the turf after incorrectly calculating that he could knock Sama down with just a firm shove? Some sort of weird equal and opposite reaction thing going on. Just a very, very weird game for the defense. Also, the offense would run crappy plays on first and second down and then we would miraculously convert 3rd/4th down and long. Seems like it happened a lot. One of the weirdest Cat football games I've ever watched. Up there with 2010 aTm in terms of weird, unexpected things happening.

Did you mean 2011 aTm (quadruple overtime)?

Whoops, I was actually referencing the 2009 game where we got blown out by TTU, then we blew out aTm, then aTm smoked TTU. 2011 was crazy but not totally unexpected based on earlier results from the season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Kansas_State_Wildcats_football_team

[Skipper44]

You can’t just roll out the motorized brushes and plows on a FieldTurf field. It’s artificial grass, not short pile carpet posing as “turf”.


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so in hindsight we should have covered the field and then we could plow or brush or whatever? 

[ShellShock]

In my opinion, every outdoor football playing surface (regardless of turf vs grass) should have an in-ground heating system.

[Skipper44]

agreed and we have a great supply for hot water in Ward Hall

[catastrophe]

I think it was the worst single game, play for play performance in the history of K-State from a PPP/YPP perspective.  ~1.2 PPP and ~14 YPP is unreal. 

Usually, you never seen those kinds of numbers for an entire game because if a team is hitting those numbers at any point, then there's usually garbage time and pulled starters involved that will bring the numbers back to earth.  But that continuing over the course of the entire game (because, in part, our offense kept up and we won the turnover battle) is astonishing.  That we only lost by one score while giving up 1.2 ppp is insane -- that may be the first time in FBS history that's happened.

I wonder when was the last time any team gave up 1.2 ppp and 14 ypp.

I’m comfortable calling it the most baffling statistical game in Cats history. It makes me glad the Big 12 title game was already determined. Otherwise it really would have stung.

[Cire]

We had multiple plays where we needed a defender to make a one-on-one play and we didn't do it.

These ono-on-one plays were in the secondary.  Defenses are set up to prevent the necessity of one-on-one plays in the secondary.  Yeah, the guy that got the last touchdown was not in a one-on-one situation, he did make a hell of a play.  I get your point that Iowa State made plays, but it's baffling that they had so many big plays of 50+ yards going for touchdowns (wasn't all their touchdowns on 50+ yard plays, or close to it?).  I've never seen that in ANY game, much less a K-State game where the Cats couldn't put a stop to big plays.  Something was goofy.  You're welcome to claim that Iowa State just played that exceptionally well, I just think there's more to it than that.

What was up with the play where it looked like our defender was playing two hand touch with Sama and then fell to the turf after incorrectly calculating that he could knock Sama down with just a firm shove? Some sort of weird equal and opposite reaction thing going on. Just a very, very weird game for the defense. Also, the offense would run crappy plays on first and second down and then we would miraculously convert 3rd/4th down and long. Seems like it happened a lot. One of the weirdest Cat football games I've ever watched. Up there with 2010 aTm in terms of weird, unexpected things happening.

That was Will Lee who I think has to be hurt because he was also the one that tried to one had pick up the ballard fumble rather than just falling on it.

Didn't think much about it at the time but those two plays were very strange like he was absolutely alergic to any kind of physical contact

[Sandstone Outcropping]

We had multiple plays where we needed a defender to make a one-on-one play and we didn't do it.

These ono-on-one plays were in the secondary.  Defenses are set up to prevent the necessity of one-on-one plays in the secondary.  Yeah, the guy that got the last touchdown was not in a one-on-one situation, he did make a hell of a play.  I get your point that Iowa State made plays, but it's baffling that they had so many big plays of 50+ yards going for touchdowns (wasn't all their touchdowns on 50+ yard plays, or close to it?).  I've never seen that in ANY game, much less a K-State game where the Cats couldn't put a stop to big plays.  Something was goofy.  You're welcome to claim that Iowa State just played that exceptionally well, I just think there's more to it than that.

What was up with the play where it looked like our defender was playing two hand touch with Sama and then fell to the turf after incorrectly calculating that he could knock Sama down with just a firm shove? Some sort of weird equal and opposite reaction thing going on. Just a very, very weird game for the defense. Also, the offense would run crappy plays on first and second down and then we would miraculously convert 3rd/4th down and long. Seems like it happened a lot. One of the weirdest Cat football games I've ever watched. Up there with 2010 aTm in terms of weird, unexpected things happening.

That was Will Lee who I think has to be hurt because he was also the one that tried to one had pick up the ballard fumble rather than just falling on it.

Didn't think much about it at the time but those two plays were very strange like he was absolutely alergic to any kind of physical contact

Normally a very physical player. Hope he is okay.

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/statsowar/status/1729165380340605111

[MakeItRain]

We had multiple plays where we needed a defender to make a one-on-one play and we didn't do it.

These ono-on-one plays were in the secondary.  Defenses are set up to prevent the necessity of one-on-one plays in the secondary.  Yeah, the guy that got the last touchdown was not in a one-on-one situation, he did make a hell of a play.  I get your point that Iowa State made plays, but it's baffling that they had so many big plays of 50+ yards going for touchdowns (wasn't all their touchdowns on 50+ yard plays, or close to it?).  I've never seen that in ANY game, much less a K-State game where the Cats couldn't put a stop to big plays.  Something was goofy.  You're welcome to claim that Iowa State just played that exceptionally well, I just think there's more to it than that.

What was up with the play where it looked like our defender was playing two hand touch with Sama and then fell to the turf after incorrectly calculating that he could knock Sama down with just a firm shove? Some sort of weird equal and opposite reaction thing going on. Just a very, very weird game for the defense. Also, the offense would run crappy plays on first and second down and then we would miraculously convert 3rd/4th down and long. Seems like it happened a lot. One of the weirdest Cat football games I've ever watched. Up there with 2010 aTm in terms of weird, unexpected things happening.

That was Will Lee who I think has to be hurt because he was also the one that tried to one had pick up the ballard fumble rather than just falling on it.

Didn't think much about it at the time but those two plays were very strange like he was absolutely alergic to any kind of physical contact

That play on Saturday was abhorrent and he knew it right away, he was distraught, and benched for the rest of the game, for what it's worth. He was never in position to fall on that Ballard fumble. The ball bounced under his feet, while he was moving then it was almost immediately batted away. Not getting that fumble was just really bad luck, it wasn't anyone's fault.

[DaBigTrain]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

[MakeItRain]

lol, not even close

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

I think what probably happened was some well-intentioned but naive cats fan had a Monkey Paw and made the wish: “I wish that our defense would give up basically no plays between 4 and 60 yards”

[MadCat]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

I think what probably happened was some well-intentioned but naive cats fan had a Monkey Paw and made the wish: “I wish that our defense would give up basically no plays between 4 and 60 yards”

I hope they learned their lesson before making their other wishes

[catastrophe]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

I think what probably happened was some well-intentioned but naive cats fan had a Monkey Paw and made the wish: “I wish that our defense would give up basically no plays between 4 and 60 yards”

More like “I hope ISU takes less than 5 snaps on KSU’s side of the field.”

[DaBigTrain]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

I think what probably happened was some well-intentioned but naive cats fan had a Monkey Paw and made the wish: “I wish that our defense would give up basically no plays between 4 and 60 yards”

More like “I hope ISU takes less than 5 snaps on KSU’s side of the field.”

They didn't even run any plays inside the red zone and scored 6 TDs, that's just crazy.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

I think what probably happened was some well-intentioned but naive cats fan had a Monkey Paw and made the wish: “I wish that our defense would give up basically no plays between 4 and 60 yards”

More like “I hope ISU takes less than 5 snaps on KSU’s side of the field.”

They didn't even run any plays inside the red zone and scored 6 TDs, that's just crazy.

I think they only had 1 play on our side of the 50.

[catastrophe]

I've listened and read a lot of stuff about the game and consensus is that it was probably one of the worst games ever played. I thought that at the time and even just turned my phone off after but I know that I was right in my thinking of the game.

I think what probably happened was some well-intentioned but naive cats fan had a Monkey Paw and made the wish: “I wish that our defense would give up basically no plays between 4 and 60 yards”

More like “I hope ISU takes less than 5 snaps on KSU’s side of the field.”

They didn't even run any plays inside the red zone and scored 6 TDs, that's just crazy.

I think they only had 1 play on our side of the 50.

I wasn’t paying that close of attention, but the only plays I can recall on our side of the field were because they turned us over there—and I don’t think that drive even resulted in points!

[DQ12]

lol, not even close

on the defensive side, i think it was.  i don't think k-state's ever had a game where they gave up so many touchdowns as often as we did.  Every 6th play for ISU was a touchdown.  And it's not even like we gave them short fields!

i think for whatever reason, the snow really messed with us and we gave up a few shots early and then we started getting in our heads and things snowballed. 

but yeah, i don't think we've ever had a performance over the course of the entire game where the defense played as bad as it did on saturday.  again, mostly because in the really really dark ages they'd pull the starters when things got out of hand, but still.   

[MakeItRain]

lol, not even close

on the defensive side, i think it was.  i don't think k-state's ever had a game where they gave up so many touchdowns as often as we did.  Every 6th play for ISU was a touchdown.  And it's not even like we gave them short fields!

i think for whatever reason, the snow really messed with us and we gave up a few shots early and then we started getting in our heads and things snowballed. 

but yeah, i don't think we've ever had a performance over the course of the entire game where the defense played as bad as it did on saturday.  again, mostly because in the really really dark ages they'd pull the starters when things got out of hand, but still.   

Yeah defensively, it was clearly horrendous, although their offensive play success rate was actually poor for the game, but he didn't say we played a horrible defensive game, he said " and consensus is that it probably was one of the worst games ever played" which is clearly silly.

[DQ12]

lol, not even close

on the defensive side, i think it was.  i don't think k-state's ever had a game where they gave up so many touchdowns as often as we did.  Every 6th play for ISU was a touchdown.  And it's not even like we gave them short fields!

i think for whatever reason, the snow really messed with us and we gave up a few shots early and then we started getting in our heads and things snowballed. 

but yeah, i don't think we've ever had a performance over the course of the entire game where the defense played as bad as it did on saturday.  again, mostly because in the really really dark ages they'd pull the starters when things got out of hand, but still.   

Yeah defensively, it was clearly horrendous, although their offensive play success rate was actually poor for the game, but he didn't say we played a horrible defensive game, he said " and consensus is that it probably was one of the worst games ever played" which is clearly silly.

Yep.  Offense did just fine.  Not perfect, but given the conditions (and how much we threw), pretty darn good.

Success rate is kind of a dumb stat in a vacuum, imo.  This game is kind of the perfect example of why.