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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #750 on: October 01, 2021, 08:32:24 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #751 on: October 01, 2021, 08:36:41 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
As a fan of the New York Giants, it's not fun watching that issue being fixed at the QB position (or turnovers for that matter).
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #752 on: October 01, 2021, 08:45:55 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #753 on: October 01, 2021, 08:50:35 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

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How many fumbles does he have this season?  I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #754 on: October 01, 2021, 08:51:23 AM »
Fumbles can be an identity of a player. When I think of fumbles, I think of Will Howard and Tiki Barber. It's definitely something some players can't improve. Sorry.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #755 on: October 01, 2021, 08:52:03 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

"See this?  Remember NOT to drop it."
How many fumbles does he have this season?  I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.
Well he's only played in really 2 full games (~3 quarter SIU/Nevada/~1 quarter OSU) so far so that's kind of a high pace.


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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #756 on: October 01, 2021, 09:39:19 AM »
I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?

They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.

Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward

They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
Did that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?

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One downside to letting him go is the almost certainty that the staff will get collectively uglier.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #757 on: October 01, 2021, 10:22:22 AM »
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #758 on: October 01, 2021, 10:23:29 AM »
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.
And Will looked like a seal adapting to it.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #759 on: October 01, 2021, 10:32:48 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

"See this?  Remember NOT to drop it."

Considering he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, they damn sure better have emphasized it!


I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

"See this?  Remember NOT to drop it."
How many fumbles does he have this season?  I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.

Will Howard currently has 1 passing touchdown, 3 rushing touchdowns, 1 interception, and 2 fumbles. That's a really really bad ratio, and is on pace to repeat his disastrous performance from last year.

We currently have 3 fumbles on the year, so I'm trying to recall when the other one occurred.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #760 on: October 01, 2021, 10:40:34 AM »
I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

"See this?  Remember NOT to drop it."

Considering he had more turnovers than touchdowns last year, they damn sure better have emphasized it!


I think fumbles can be improved.  :dunno:
i would've thought they'd have made that a point of emphasis with him in the offseason! 

"See this?  Remember NOT to drop it."
How many fumbles does he have this season?  I honestly just remember the sack and mishandled snap.

Will Howard currently has 1 passing touchdown, 3 rushing touchdowns, 1 interception, and 2 fumbles. That's a really really bad ratio, and is on pace to repeat his disastrous performance from last year.

We currently have 3 fumbles on the year, so I'm trying to recall when the other one occurred.
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #761 on: October 01, 2021, 11:41:06 AM »
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #762 on: October 01, 2021, 11:41:48 AM »


If they ran him 20+ times and didn't let him throw anything except 50 yard bombs to push the safeties back, it might be OK

So the Bazooka Joe offense? I'd rather have a Kody Cook back there who can make the 5-15 yard pass and still run

The word. Honestly the first drive of the game (besides some vertical routes they just need to not do) was actually a well called drive IMO. It was only a FG but some short passes, offset with proper running plays both inside and out. They just then decided to not do that anymore

I mean they really only had one more drive with Howard, and it wasn't great but it wasn't abysmal.

I think the consensus among non-pudding brains is that -- aside from that abysmal fumble that OSU recovered for a TD -- Will Howard looked pretty good serviceable before he left the game injured.
“Aside from” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

If youre going to be a “serviceable” quarterback you can’t have totally WTF turnovers fairly regularly.  I could tolerate stuff like that from young Ell or young Freeman because they were dynamic enough to be “worth it” - you’d sigh and say “eh take the good with the bad I guess,” but right now Howard isn’t doing anything to offset that stuff in my mind’s eye.

The fumble on Saturday wasn’t really all that surprising.  Stuff like that has come to be expected.

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Also I'd bet my life that Will Howard has the highest fumble rate of any quarterback at K-State the last 25 years. The only other one that was even close was Ell but he had way more touches.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #763 on: October 01, 2021, 11:42:07 AM »
I’m not happy with overall Qb development either but why is nobody talking about WR development?

They have been bad for nearly the entire decade - with a few notable exceptions.

Hell, they can’t catch a cold in a plague ward

They wanted to fire the WR coach but got told no due to covid budget stuff, so he got turned into the TE coach.
Did that really happen, or just implied because they moved him (not questioning just interested)?

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One downside to letting him go is the almost certainty that the staff will get collectively uglier.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #764 on: October 01, 2021, 11:43:21 AM »
The fumble on Saturday was a terrible snap.

What? It wasn't perfect but it hit him dead in his hands, that was a routine snap.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #765 on: October 01, 2021, 11:46:29 AM »
Ray seems to be coaching the kick and punt returners as well.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #766 on: October 01, 2021, 12:08:16 PM »
Will is involved in a lot of negative value drives.  Obviously they aren't all his fault, but....





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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #767 on: October 01, 2021, 12:40:11 PM »
Transfer QB is on the menu for next year boys
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #768 on: October 01, 2021, 12:44:07 PM »
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #769 on: October 01, 2021, 12:52:09 PM »
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #770 on: October 01, 2021, 01:08:45 PM »
Ray seems to be coaching the kick and punt returners as well.

The TEs can catch balls thrown near them. No idea about the FBs as I can’t recall a target to them yet this season.  Granted they’ve (mostly?) been transfers and presumably were coached decently well previously.

Messingham is the WR coach now - but one (ongoing) season isn’t really fair to pin the issues all on him at WR. 

This is the problem I have at laying the problems so squarely on the QBs - whichever, doesn’t matter. The TEs can catch, as can Vaughn. Different routes being ran by them, sure - but that is more an indictment on play calling if those routes are so dramatically different. Why the problems with WRs getting open and catching the ball?
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #771 on: October 01, 2021, 01:19:13 PM »
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.
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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #772 on: October 01, 2021, 01:38:20 PM »
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.
I still think Howard could be actually good as early as next year. 


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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #773 on: October 01, 2021, 01:40:36 PM »
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.
I still think Howard could be actually good as early as next year.

I hope we go get a Juco, like we should have last year. I want an undersized, hard throwing scrambler who doesn't get a look from the bigger schools because he doesn't pass the eye test, but somehow always seems to find a way to win,.

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Re: How good is Will Howard???
« Reply #774 on: October 01, 2021, 01:45:49 PM »
If next years starter is on this roster, we're mumped.
I still think Howard could be actually good as early as next year.

I hope we go get a Juco, like we should have last year. I want an undersized, hard throwing scrambler who doesn't get a look from the bigger schools because he doesn't pass the eye test, but somehow always seems to find a way to win,.
Yeah, I don't think Juco QBs are really too in vogue anymore for whatever reason.  Seems like FCS has kind of supplanted it.


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