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Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« on: September 01, 2020, 09:00:58 AM »
I see that per Bloomberg sourced via UniGroup that Kansas is currently the #5 outbound state in the country.

It's almost 60:40 outbound vs inbound right now.

WTH is going on?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-31/new-yorkers-flee-for-florida-and-texas-as-mobility-surges?sref=dukn3Rgh

I visit KC and on the Kansas side its building everywhere and JoCo's housing market is red hot.   





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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2020, 09:05:21 AM »
that is surprising. rural america is drying up but that has been the case for as long as I've been alive. KS taxes are decent iirc.

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2020, 09:13:03 AM »
Yeah the rural areas have been known for quite some time, but this is still surprising.


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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 09:21:20 AM »
Like 60% of the people I would consider close in my life have moved out of state the last 10 years, so this checks out.
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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 09:22:55 AM »
Like 60% of the people I would consider close in my life have moved out of state the last 10 years, so this checks out.

I know someone who moved from NY to KS so I don't know if this is very accurate

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2020, 09:24:02 AM »
Conflicting evidence  :horrorsurprise:
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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2020, 10:03:31 AM »
Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?

I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).


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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2020, 10:03:58 AM »
Like 60% of the people I would consider close in my life have moved out of state the last 10 years, so this checks out.

I know someone who moved from NY to KS so I don't know if this is very accurate
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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2020, 10:05:28 AM »
Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?

I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).



I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2020, 10:12:29 AM »
Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?

I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).



I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas

That may have been true 20/30 years ago when JoCo was about the only good suburban option available in KC but now I feel like Missourians who want to move to the burbs for schools etc move to Lee's Summit or the Northland now.

I am now interested in finding out how many people move to/from KS/MO each year. BRB

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2020, 10:18:26 AM »
Red states gonna red state.

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2020, 10:26:19 AM »
Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?

I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).



I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas

That may have been true 20/30 years ago when JoCo was about the only good suburban option available in KC but now I feel like Missourians who want to move to the burbs for schools etc move to Lee's Summit or the Northland now.

I am now interested in finding out how many people move to/from KS/MO each year. BRB

Well this info is a little dated (14-15 is the last data set) but in 2015 JoCo gained 300 more residents from Jackson County than it lost. If you go back to 2011 JoCo was gaining around 1000 residents a year from Jackson County so this kind of supports my hypothesis? Whatever, I'm going to mess around with it some more.

https://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/county-migration-flows-tax-returns-data.html

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2020, 10:34:53 AM »
Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?

I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).



I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas

That may have been true 20/30 years ago when JoCo was about the only good suburban option available in KC but now I feel like Missourians who want to move to the burbs for schools etc move to Lee's Summit or the Northland now.

I am now interested in finding out how many people move to/from KS/MO each year. BRB

Well this info is a little dated (14-15 is the last data set) but in 2015 JoCo gained 300 more residents from Jackson County than it lost. If you go back to 2011 JoCo was gaining around 1000 residents a year from Jackson County so this kind of supports my hypothesis? Whatever, I'm going to mess around with it some more.

https://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/county-migration-flows-tax-returns-data.html

Just going off Jackson county net outflow of people.... in 2015 5,900 people moved from Jackson County to another county in MO (Mostly Clay/Cass) and 4,900 people moved from Jackson County to a KS county (Johnson/Wyandotte).

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2020, 10:45:04 AM »
i've never understood why anyone would choose to move to kansas (or missouri)


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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2020, 11:10:22 AM »
i've never understood why anyone would choose to move to kansas (or missouri)

KC is probably the cheapest metro in the country with top level pro sports. Detroit might be cheaper but maybe not.

that and the great weather

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2020, 11:17:25 AM »
i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2020, 11:22:43 AM »
Can confirm the JoCo housing market is lava hot rn.
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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2020, 11:26:11 AM »
i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here

I've thought about it if I could permanently WFH. But obviously I've lived there before and have family close.

KC seems like kind of a weird job market in there isn't doesn't really seem to be a "hub" for any sort of specialized industry other than like the big engineering consultants and maybe stadium architecture which might make it less likely to attract nationwide talent. :dunno:

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2020, 11:32:28 AM »
Can confirm the JoCo housing market is lava hot rn.

Yes, and if Elon had his satellites over the house in the link below so that I could work from home, I'd sell my Joco house and move here:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1451-Gateway-Dr-NW-Backus-MN-56435/96980901_zpid/

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2020, 11:35:36 AM »
i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here

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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2020, 11:36:42 AM »
The overbuilding has definitely been odd, so much has been built up, especially around my house it's insane, and a lot of it sits empty or underutilized. I know OP has been putting some incentives on a lot of it, but still, it can't make it be like this. The building boom has been been happening for almost 2 years.

Also, since the pandemic started, purely anecdotal, I think 5 or 6 people in my department have moved houses or jumped into a house, most live on KS, side, but does support the red hot housing market.

Maybe JoCo is just getting the bulk of the rural flight but more are still leaving KS overall.
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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2020, 11:37:57 AM »
i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here

family

yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2020, 11:40:22 AM »
i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here

I've thought about it if I could permanently WFH. But obviously I've lived there before and have family close.

KC seems like kind of a weird job market in there isn't doesn't really seem to be a "hub" for any sort of specialized industry other than like the big engineering consultants and maybe stadium architecture which might make it less likely to attract nationwide talent. :dunno:

yeah i agree. there is a fairly large amount of fed govt employees here, and then like cerner / sprint / garmin hq's, but really no hubs of a specific industry.
i'm not sure how rare that is for comparable metros though (not to be a hub of an industry)

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2020, 11:41:04 AM »
i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here

family

yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here

True.  Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?

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Re: Not gE'ing here: Kansas
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2020, 11:45:50 AM »
Can confirm the JoCo housing market is lava hot rn.

Yes, and if Elon had his satellites over the house in the link below so that I could work from home, I'd sell my Joco house and move here:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1451-Gateway-Dr-NW-Backus-MN-56435/96980901_zpid/
Oooh that would be nice. I’ve been McMansion hunting and it’s hot af in JoCo.
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