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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on September 01, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
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I see that per Bloomberg sourced via UniGroup that Kansas is currently the #5 outbound state in the country.
It's almost 60:40 outbound vs inbound right now.
WTH is going on?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-31/new-yorkers-flee-for-florida-and-texas-as-mobility-surges?sref=dukn3Rgh
I visit KC and on the Kansas side its building everywhere and JoCo's housing market is red hot.
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that is surprising. rural america is drying up but that has been the case for as long as I've been alive. KS taxes are decent iirc.
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Yeah the rural areas have been known for quite some time, but this is still surprising.
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Like 60% of the people I would consider close in my life have moved out of state the last 10 years, so this checks out.
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Like 60% of the people I would consider close in my life have moved out of state the last 10 years, so this checks out.
I know someone who moved from NY to KS so I don't know if this is very accurate
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Conflicting evidence :horrorsurprise:
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Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?
I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).
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Like 60% of the people I would consider close in my life have moved out of state the last 10 years, so this checks out.
I know someone who moved from NY to KS so I don't know if this is very accurate
I do too, so take that star seed 7.
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Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?
I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).
I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas
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Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?
I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).
I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas
That may have been true 20/30 years ago when JoCo was about the only good suburban option available in KC but now I feel like Missourians who want to move to the burbs for schools etc move to Lee's Summit or the Northland now.
I am now interested in finding out how many people move to/from KS/MO each year. BRB
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Red states gonna red state.
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Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?
I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).
I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas
That may have been true 20/30 years ago when JoCo was about the only good suburban option available in KC but now I feel like Missourians who want to move to the burbs for schools etc move to Lee's Summit or the Northland now.
I am now interested in finding out how many people move to/from KS/MO each year. BRB
Well this info is a little dated (14-15 is the last data set) but in 2015 JoCo gained 300 more residents from Jackson County than it lost. If you go back to 2011 JoCo was gaining around 1000 residents a year from Jackson County so this kind of supports my hypothesis? Whatever, I'm going to mess around with it some more.
https://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/county-migration-flows-tax-returns-data.html
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Random Thought from a KC perspective - How much does having the largest concentration of Kansans being located directly next to another state impact that number?
I know a lot of people who grew up in JoCo but now live right across state line in KCMO (Waldo/Brookside/Etc).
I'd guess about net zero because Missourians move to Kansas
That may have been true 20/30 years ago when JoCo was about the only good suburban option available in KC but now I feel like Missourians who want to move to the burbs for schools etc move to Lee's Summit or the Northland now.
I am now interested in finding out how many people move to/from KS/MO each year. BRB
Well this info is a little dated (14-15 is the last data set) but in 2015 JoCo gained 300 more residents from Jackson County than it lost. If you go back to 2011 JoCo was gaining around 1000 residents a year from Jackson County so this kind of supports my hypothesis? Whatever, I'm going to mess around with it some more.
https://www.governing.com/gov-data/census/county-migration-flows-tax-returns-data.html
Just going off Jackson county net outflow of people.... in 2015 5,900 people moved from Jackson County to another county in MO (Mostly Clay/Cass) and 4,900 people moved from Jackson County to a KS county (Johnson/Wyandotte).
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i've never understood why anyone would choose to move to kansas (or missouri)
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i've never understood why anyone would choose to move to kansas (or missouri)
KC is probably the cheapest metro in the country with top level pro sports. Detroit might be cheaper but maybe not.
that and the great weather
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
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Can confirm the JoCo housing market is lava hot rn.
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
I've thought about it if I could permanently WFH. But obviously I've lived there before and have family close.
KC seems like kind of a weird job market in there isn't doesn't really seem to be a "hub" for any sort of specialized industry other than like the big engineering consultants and maybe stadium architecture which might make it less likely to attract nationwide talent. :dunno:
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Can confirm the JoCo housing market is lava hot rn.
Yes, and if Elon had his satellites over the house in the link below so that I could work from home, I'd sell my Joco house and move here:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1451-Gateway-Dr-NW-Backus-MN-56435/96980901_zpid/
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
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The overbuilding has definitely been odd, so much has been built up, especially around my house it's insane, and a lot of it sits empty or underutilized. I know OP has been putting some incentives on a lot of it, but still, it can't make it be like this. The building boom has been been happening for almost 2 years.
Also, since the pandemic started, purely anecdotal, I think 5 or 6 people in my department have moved houses or jumped into a house, most live on KS, side, but does support the red hot housing market.
Maybe JoCo is just getting the bulk of the rural flight but more are still leaving KS overall.
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
I've thought about it if I could permanently WFH. But obviously I've lived there before and have family close.
KC seems like kind of a weird job market in there isn't doesn't really seem to be a "hub" for any sort of specialized industry other than like the big engineering consultants and maybe stadium architecture which might make it less likely to attract nationwide talent. :dunno:
yeah i agree. there is a fairly large amount of fed govt employees here, and then like cerner / sprint / garmin hq's, but really no hubs of a specific industry.
i'm not sure how rare that is for comparable metros though (not to be a hub of an industry)
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
True. Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?
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Can confirm the JoCo housing market is lava hot rn.
Yes, and if Elon had his satellites over the house in the link below so that I could work from home, I'd sell my Joco house and move here:
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1451-Gateway-Dr-NW-Backus-MN-56435/96980901_zpid/
Oooh that would be nice. I’ve been McMansion hunting and it’s hot af in JoCo.
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In the last 10 or so years the cost of the typical New 4bd/3bath 2 story in the BV district has close to doubled and I think that has pushed families to the Mo suburbs
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
that’s why I said “chooses”, I feel like your job telling you that you’re moving here isn’t a real choice for a lot of people.
i’m thinking about the “hey let’s move to kc!” people that probably don’t exist
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
True. Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?
lmao, are you serious?
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
that’s why I said “chooses”, I feel like your job telling you that you’re moving here isn’t a real choice for a lot of people.
i’m thinking about the “hey let’s move to kc!” people that probably don’t exist
yes, we agree.
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
True. Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?
Yeah, me. Recreation, lifestyle, climate, etc.
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
I've thought about it if I could permanently WFH. But obviously I've lived there before and have family close.
KC seems like kind of a weird job market in there isn't doesn't really seem to be a "hub" for any sort of specialized industry other than like the big engineering consultants and maybe stadium architecture which might make it less likely to attract nationwide talent. :dunno:
yeah i agree. there is a fairly large amount of fed govt employees here, and then like cerner / sprint / garmin hq's, but really no hubs of a specific industry.
i'm not sure how rare that is for comparable metros though (not to be a hub of an industry)
KC is also a big transportation hub (2nd behind Chicago in rail traffic / multiple interstates connecting) and has a lot of back office type finance jobs (401k administration/Benefits/insurance etc) to go along with government jobs and engineering.
Really a jack of all trades but master of none type of situation.
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
True. Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?
lmao, are you serious?
yes? Maybe it's just because NYC is the only city I'd care enough to just go move to without a job/family pushing it.
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
True. Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?
lmao, are you serious?
yes? Maybe it's just because NYC is the only city I'd care enough to just go move to without a job/family pushing it.
Quick list of cities that I know people have moved to just because:
Seattle
LA, Orange County area
San Diego
Austin
Dallas
Tampa area
Fort Myers area
Chicago
Towns/cities in Vermont and Maine
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Denver is also a huge one
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Also SF area
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Alaska, not Fairbanks that would be insane
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I thought a lot about moving to Denver after college. It seems way more populated and expensive now than it was then.
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I thought a lot about moving to Denver after college. It seems way more populated and expensive now than it was then.
Lots of small cities in western Colorado would be elite, assuming you would be able to find decent enough employment to afford living there.
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I thought a lot about moving to Denver after college. It seems way more populated and expensive now than it was then.
it is
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I thought a lot about moving to Denver after college. It seems way more populated and expensive now than it was then.
Lots of small cities in western Colorado would be elite, assuming you would be able to find decent enough employment to afford living there.
I know people that absolutely LOVE Durango and Crested Butte. They have lived all over CO but those two stood out to them for whatever reasons.
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I thought a lot about moving to Denver after college. It seems way more populated and expensive now than it was then.
Lots of small cities in western Colorado would be elite, assuming you would be able to find decent enough employment to afford living there.
I know people that absolutely LOVE Durango and Crested Butt. They have lived all over CO but those two stood out to them for whatever reasons.
lmfao
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i don't think anybody moves here for any reason except a job taking them here
family
yeah if your family is from here i don't really consider it moving here
True. Does anybody move to any city except NYC when it's not job or family driven?
lmao, are you serious?
yes? Maybe it's just because NYC is the only city I'd care enough to just go move to without a job/family pushing it.
Quick list of cities that I know people have moved to just because:
Seattle
LA, Orange County area
San Diego
Austin
Dallas
Tampa area
Fort Myers area
Chicago
Towns/cities in Vermont and Maine
Yeah, that article talks about how people would rather live anywhere other than New York. There are dozens of places throughout the country that people move to based on lifestyle decisions. Almost none of those are in the midwest. Very few people choose to move to the midwest -- they stay there.
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I thought a lot about moving to Denver after college. It seems way more populated and expensive now than it was then.
Lots of small cities in western Colorado would be elite, assuming you would be able to find decent enough employment to afford living there.
I know people that absolutely LOVE Durango and Crested Butte. They have lived all over CO but those two stood out to them for whatever reasons.
Ya know there are a lot of nice areas in Co. other than the ice holes mentioned.
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I mean, obviously lots of people move to KC for reasons other than "my job made me." I don't think very many of those people come from other cities though. Mostly just from smaller towns around KS/MO (including out of state graduates from KSU/SnobHill).
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I mean, obviously lots of people move to KC for reasons other than "my job made me." I don't think very many of those people come from other cities though. Mostly just from smaller towns around KS/MO (including out of state graduates from KSU/SnobHill).
There was an article a couple months ago talking about KC being in a good position for digital nomad workers choosing KC due to cost of living, etc.
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Probably just a lot of Kansans moving to St Joe. I know another person up here that is from KS so I'm sure there are dozens more.
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I mean, obviously lots of people move to KC for reasons other than "my job made me." I don't think very many of those people come from other cities though. Mostly just from smaller towns around KS/MO (including out of state graduates from KSU/SnobHill).
yeah in the spirit of the thread, we're talking about people not from KS/MO
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I mean, obviously lots of people move to KC for reasons other than "my job made me." I don't think very many of those people come from other cities though. Mostly just from smaller towns around KS/MO (including out of state graduates from KSU/SnobHill).
yeah in the spirit of the thread, we're talking about people not from KS/MO
Also probably seems like we're specifically talking about non-regional people.
Plenty of ex-st. louis people. Likely plenty of people from Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas, Oklahoma. I think relatively few people move here from places outside the region if their job isn't here, but I think that's probably true of most metros.
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I mean, obviously lots of people move to KC for reasons other than "my job made me." I don't think very many of those people come from other cities though. Mostly just from smaller towns around KS/MO (including out of state graduates from KSU/SnobHill).
yeah in the spirit of the thread, we're talking about people not from KS/MO
Also probably seems like we're specifically talking about non-regional people.
Plenty of ex-st. louis people. Likely plenty of people from Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas, Oklahoma. I think relatively few people move here from places outside the region if their job isn't here, but I think that's probably true of most metros.
most midwestern metros, sure
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I mean, obviously lots of people move to KC for reasons other than "my job made me." I don't think very many of those people come from other cities though. Mostly just from smaller towns around KS/MO (including out of state graduates from KSU/SnobHill).
yeah in the spirit of the thread, we're talking about people not from KS/MO
Also probably seems like we're specifically talking about non-regional people.
Plenty of ex-st. louis people. Likely plenty of people from Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas, Oklahoma. I think relatively few people move here from places outside the region if their job isn't here, but I think that's probably true of most metros.
most midwestern metros, sure
most metros period, imo. i don't think there are very many metros people up and move to for non-job-non-family related purposes at huge rates.
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for like 99% of people you can't really separate where you choose to live from a job.
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for like 99% of people you can't really separate where you choose to live from a job.
so to get back to the OP, i guess jobs are just leaving kansas more than normal. :dunno: