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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2020, 09:00:39 PM »
Pretty rough ridin' stupid.  They want a policy put in place to be able to dismiss a person from the university for being disrespectful. What a clown show.

Just go beat up this individual piece of crap person who attends the university and said stuff on Twitter and move on.

easy for you to dismiss this guy as just being "disrespectful".

oddly enough, beating up this guy would CLEARLY be grounds for dismissal
No, I’m talking specifically about the statement from the athletes. “We are demanding that Kansas State University put a policy in place that allows a student to be dismissed for displaying racist, threatening or disrespectful actions toward a student or groups of students.”

ah, yeah, I guess the "disrespectful" line is bad. meh!

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2020, 09:01:10 PM »
Pretty rough ridin' stupid.  They want a policy put in place to be able to dismiss a person from the university for being disrespectful. What a clown show.

Just go beat up this individual piece of crap person who attends the university and said stuff on Twitter and move on.

easy for you to dismiss this guy as just being "disrespectful".

oddly enough, beating up this guy would CLEARLY be grounds for dismissal
No, I’m talking specifically about the statement from the athletes. “We are demanding that Kansas State University put a policy in place that allows a student to be dismissed for displaying racist, threatening or disrespectful actions toward a student or groups of students.”
Interestingly, the tweets that shitbag Jaden posted about George Floyd don’t violate any of those...
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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2020, 09:24:30 PM »
With context it's clearly intended to be racist. The context being what's going on in the world

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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2020, 09:34:38 PM »
With context it's clearly intended to be racist. The context being what's going on in the world
I think it’s a slight stretch to call any joke about George Floyd a racist action. I think it’s a huge stretch to say that it is a racist action against a student or group of students

Jaden is clearly a racist, and only made the joke because he is, but the joke doesn’t even meet the standards set forth by the athletes. I hope KSU can find a way to fit rid of him, this ain’t it.
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2020, 09:40:20 PM »
If KSU implements an anti-racism policy to expel this POS, I would donate significantly more than usual if the University ends up in a court battle over it. If there was ever a time to test free speech laws against anti racism policies, this is it.

The tweet itself IMO is just distasteful. But the fact it comes from a racist absolutely elevates it to a racist statement.

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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2020, 09:48:12 PM »
Stupid thing is, this dumbass k state kid tweeted a joke that was like a week old.
He just Must not be that bright,

 Players are goin a tad overboard.  But Mainstream Media & Educational Indoctrination has trained them to push harder and harder.

like where does this even end?   Whats thier Utopia ?
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2020, 09:51:05 PM »
Apparently twitter gave him a 12 hour timeout today
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2020, 10:02:28 PM »
If KSU implements an anti-racism policy to expel this POS, I would donate significantly more than usual if the University ends up in a court battle over it. If there was ever a time to test free speech laws against anti racism policies, this is it.

The tweet itself IMO is just distasteful. But the fact it comes from a racist absolutely elevates it to a racist statement.

Would you chip in for his lawyers fees when the university loses?

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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2020, 10:16:07 PM »
With context it's clearly intended to be racist. The context being what's going on in the world
I think it’s a slight stretch to call any joke about George Floyd a racist action. I think it’s a huge stretch to say that it is a racist action against a student or group of students

Jaden is clearly a racist, and only made the joke because he is, but the joke doesn’t even meet the standards set forth by the athletes. I hope KSU can find a way to fit rid of him, this ain’t it.

I disagree that it doesn't meet the standards but I can see where you're coming from if you nitpick the statement.

Regardless, they aren't asking that he's expelled, they're asking for a policy that lets anyone be expelled for racist speech.

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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2020, 10:33:58 PM »
That the players believe this [crass and stupid] twitter  joke is racist is pretty illuminating as to the problems that come with the [inconstititional] speech ban they are proposing. 

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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2020, 10:36:29 PM »
Shut up steffy.
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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2020, 12:19:27 AM »
Jesus eff, I can't believe people are on this bad person's side.

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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2020, 12:25:39 AM »
If KSU implements an anti-racism policy to expel this POS, I would donate significantly more than usual if the University ends up in a court battle over it. If there was ever a time to test free speech laws against anti racism policies, this is it.

The tweet itself IMO is just distasteful. But the fact it comes from a racist absolutely elevates it to a racist statement.

Would you chip in for his lawyers fees when the university loses?
Why would I do that?

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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2020, 06:33:25 AM »
Jesus eff, I can't believe people are on this bad person's side.
I don't think anybody is on this guy's side. I'm all for adding verbiage to the kstate ethics code that specifically disallows racism. They could add that, and when him or his club says something racist, expel him/them. But I agree with others that the tweet in and of itself is not racist at all. He is a racist though, which is the argument that has merit. The tweet is only tasteless.

The problem isn't expelling this obvious POS, it's potentially ushering in McCarthyism, a power that could be abused in the future. This is an interesting case study to be honest. I hope they can find a way to get rid of him and legislate specific anti racism policies in the right way.
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2020, 07:21:48 AM »
Jesus eff, I can't believe people are on this bad person's side.
I don't think anybody is on this guy's side. I'm all for adding verbiage to the kstate ethics code that specifically disallows racism. They could add that, and when him or his club says something racist, expel him/them. But I agree with others that the tweet in and of itself is not racist at all. He is a racist though, which is the argument that has merit. The tweet is only tasteless.

The problem isn't expelling this obvious POS, it's potentially ushering in McCarthyism, a power that could be abused in the future. This is an interesting case study to be honest. I hope they can find a way to get rid of him and legislate specific anti racism policies in the right way.

What leads you to believe Jaden is a racist?
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2020, 07:41:01 AM »
Jesus eff, I can't believe people are on this bad person's side.
I don't think anybody is on this guy's side. I'm all for adding verbiage to the kstate ethics code that specifically disallows racism. They could add that, and when him or his club says something racist, expel him/them. But I agree with others that the tweet in and of itself is not racist at all. He is a racist though, which is the argument that has merit. The tweet is only tasteless.

The problem isn't expelling this obvious POS, it's potentially ushering in McCarthyism, a power that could be abused in the future. This is an interesting case study to be honest. I hope they can find a way to get rid of him and legislate specific anti racism policies in the right way.

What leads you to believe Jaden is a racist?
From what I understand he leads a white nationalist club and associates closely with "famous" white nationalist.
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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2020, 07:52:23 AM »
Jesus eff, I can't believe people are on this bad person's side.
I don't think anybody is on this guy's side. I'm all for adding verbiage to the kstate ethics code that specifically disallows racism. They could add that, and when him or his club says something racist, expel him/them. But I agree with others that the tweet in and of itself is not racist at all. He is a racist though, which is the argument that has merit. The tweet is only tasteless.

The problem isn't expelling this obvious POS, it's potentially ushering in McCarthyism, a power that could be abused in the future. This is an interesting case study to be honest. I hope they can find a way to get rid of him and legislate specific anti racism policies in the right way.

What leads you to believe Jaden is a racist?
From what I understand he leads a white nationalist club and associates closely with "famous" white nationalist.

What about the America First club he founded indicates to you it is a white nationalist club?
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2020, 07:59:57 AM »
Jesus eff, I can't believe people are on this bad person's side.
I don't think anybody is on this guy's side. I'm all for adding verbiage to the kstate ethics code that specifically disallows racism. They could add that, and when him or his club says something racist, expel him/them. But I agree with others that the tweet in and of itself is not racist at all. He is a racist though, which is the argument that has merit. The tweet is only tasteless.

The problem isn't expelling this obvious POS, it's potentially ushering in McCarthyism, a power that could be abused in the future. This is an interesting case study to be honest. I hope they can find a way to get rid of him and legislate specific anti racism policies in the right way.

What leads you to believe Jaden is a racist?
From what I understand he leads a white nationalist club and associates closely with "famous" white nationalist.

What about the America First club he founded indicates to you it is a white nationalist club?
I said "from what I understand". His club's absolute values are not a hill I'm dying on. I haven't spoke with, or listened to, Nick Fuentes or Patrick Casey either. But both are widely reported as white nationalist. Jaden associates with both.

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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2020, 08:06:53 AM »
So you are comfortable calling him a racist by association with a club you know nothing about and people you know nothing about but his tweet making light of Lloyd’s murder isn’t racist?
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2020, 08:12:30 AM »
So you are comfortable calling him a racist by association with a club you know nothing about and people you know nothing about but his tweet making light of Lloyd’s murder isn’t racist?
I'm not walking to the corner you're trying to paint me in, bro. I didn't say I know nothing about them, but admit I have limited knowledge of them because I don't listen to that type of bullshit. You'll rarely see me say what other people feel unless they explicitly say so. In this case, I should have said "he's likely a racist". I'll stand by that. If you feel differently, that's fine but I don't care.
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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2020, 08:13:38 AM »
https://www.k-state.edu/sga/judicial/student-code-of-conduct.html

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« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2020, 08:14:27 AM »
https://www.k-state.edu/sga/judicial/student-code-of-conduct.html

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« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2020, 09:27:00 AM »
the fact that so many people think that the tweet isn't racist because it doesn't use an explicit slur shows how smart and dangerous the kid is. If you read it without context, sure, it's not racist. But given that context exists, it's a clear signal both to alt-right folks across the country and to folks on campus that he's a racist and is gonna get away with it. I'm guessing many blacks and BLM supporters feel it's a threat, even if indirect, while the typical white Kansan is like "I don't see what the big deal is".

someone linked to his telegram page and I came across this (which he didn't actually type, it's kinda like a retweet), but it shows how he thinks:



combine that with his interview with the news where people were protesting his event and he's like "we just want small government, ma'am", the suits, etc., it's clear these folks are trying to brand their racist group as something that isn't a bunch of redneck confederate flag racists that everyone pictures in their head. He might be getting a little more bold than he should (getting TOO much attention) but he can push buttons, get attention, and probably most dangerously, get a following from KSU students whose parents are on KSO defending him.

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« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2020, 09:58:34 AM »
KSO members can relax. Football won’t be canceled because of all this.

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When he first saw McNeil’s offensive tweet, Alexander said his initial reaction wasn’t nuanced.

“It was, ‘Yo, you gotta go. You gotta leave K-State,’” Alexander said.

Alexander’s views slowly have shifted.

“In talking with the president, talking with the student body, talking to educated people, they’re telling us about the First Amendment,” he said. “We’re all grown. We’re all mature. We know that he won’t leave. We know that he can’t get kicked out of Kansas State just for that. ... We’re mature enough to understand that he can’t get kicked out of Kansas State just for that comment. We’re just wanting (K-State) to say, ‘We don’t respect his point of view.’”

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Re: Athletes Forcing Change
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2020, 11:35:38 AM »
That the players believe this [crass and stupid] twitter  joke is racist is pretty illuminating as to the problems that come with the [inconstititional] speech ban they are proposing.

Tell us more about how inconstitutional it is, Steffy. :love:
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