The riot to reform police thread

[DQ12]

Criminals aren't necessarily afraid of getting caught in the act because the cops will kill/kick their ass, but rather because that makes it easier for cops and then the prosecutors to have an easy case and then the criminal suffers the consequence.  It's not much more of a fear than of the cops subsequently dealing with the crime and identifying and locating the criminal and a criminal case being filed and won.

It'll be fine if instead of ____ City PD doing that job, there's some other entity that can do the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff on them for it to be relatively safe.

And then you could have a bunch of other things that aren't ___ City PD to do all the other things police do.  I'm sure some things would improve with that split, while there might be other things that would become less effective without the centralization.

But at the end of the day we still need an entity to do "the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff of them for it to be relatively safe," right? 

[kim carnes]

Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?

[kim carnes]

The schedule for completing bank robberies is about to get a lot more lax

[michigancat]

Bottom line, if I'm in a scenario where I'm getting burgled, I'd hope for cops to come ASAP.

odds are they won't be there in time to do anything at all. I suppose people might steal less because they're in a rush? But really, it's false security.

But at the end of the day we still need an entity to do "the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff of them for it to be relatively safe," right? 

probably, but property crimes generally aren't dangerous!

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Criminals aren't necessarily afraid of getting caught in the act because the cops will kill/kick their ass, but rather because that makes it easier for cops and then the prosecutors to have an easy case and then the criminal suffers the consequence.  It's not much more of a fear than of the cops subsequently dealing with the crime and identifying and locating the criminal and a criminal case being filed and won.

It'll be fine if instead of ____ City PD doing that job, there's some other entity that can do the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff on them for it to be relatively safe.

And then you could have a bunch of other things that aren't ___ City PD to do all the other things police do.  I'm sure some things would improve with that split, while there might be other things that would become less effective without the centralization.

But at the end of the day we still need an entity to do "the whole crime-fighting and investigating job, including going to the crime scenes even when still active and dangerous and having enough stuff of them for it to be relatively safe," right? 

Yep.  They'll need a fancy new name.

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/what-its-like-to-get-doxed-for-taking-a-bike-ride.html

[DQ12]

probably, but property crimes generally aren't dangerous!

Perhaps they ought to be!

[sys]

break up the united states.

hmm, not very attention-getting.  perhaps "abolish the united states"?

[sys]

At the risk of responding to a sarcastic comment, the ordinance only regulates interfering with police activity and entering crime scenes. It only mentions recording police activity to make clear that is not being prohibited (unless you are also interfering with an investigation).

not at all a sarcastic comment.  so the tweet was just false.

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break up the united states.

hmm, not very attention-getting.  perhaps "abolish the united states"?

I suppose that's alright as long as everyone understands it'll all still exist, just in a bunch of smaller entities.

But the original keeps the gE branding.

[sys]

cops don't seem super worried about being abolished or defunded.  you'd think with everyone watching, they might consider taking a couple weeks off from just raping the public unconscious from clock in to clock out.

https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1270070517798764549

[sys]

their mea culpa needs some work too.

https://twitter.com/Bradley_LHerrou/status/1270091550463311878

[catastrophe]

At the risk of responding to a sarcastic comment, the ordinance only regulates interfering with police activity and entering crime scenes. It only mentions recording police activity to make clear that is not being prohibited (unless you are also interfering with an investigation).

not at all a sarcastic comment.  so the tweet was just false.

Yeah. I think there may have been some confusion because (1) the ordinance was in response to people videoing the cops and harassing them claiming First Amendment protection, and (2) the ordinance does specifically call out videoing police activity (but opposite of what that dude thinks).

[Dugout DickStone]

Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?

Radars/cameras could do that job. 

[kim carnes]

Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?

Radars/cameras could do that job.

Why would anyone who likes to speed have a license plate on their car anymore?

[Dugout DickStone]

Are we abolishing speed limit signs as well?

Radars/cameras could do that job.

Why would anyone who likes to speed have a license plate on their car anymore?

Would still be required. 

[michigancat]

if there isn't a threat of cops with guns pulling you over, no one would have a license plate, obviously

[Dugout DickStone]

no license plate, no gas

[kim carnes]

if there isn't a threat of cops with guns pulling you over, no one would have a license plate, obviously

You’re being willfully ignorant as to what I’m talking about.  Maybe take a drive on 880 in the east bay sometime and see if there is a segment of our population who might be inclined to take their plates off and drive their dodge chargers thru traffic at 120 mph with 20 of their friends right behind them weaving thru traffic.  There is literally nothing to stop them.

[kim carnes]

How bout driving under the influence

[Dugout DickStone]

How bout driving under the influence

interlocks

[MakeItRain]

It means a city has the county sherriff's office do all the traditional police work.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/how-camden-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

I was wondering how long they were going to have that conversation without any of them actually using Google.

[michigancat]

if there isn't a threat of cops with guns pulling you over, no one would have a license plate, obviously

You’re being willfully ignorant as to what I’m talking about.  Maybe take a drive on 880 in the east bay sometime and see if there is a segment of our population who might be inclined to take their plates off and drive their dodge chargers thru traffic at 120 mph with 20 of their friends right behind them weaving thru traffic.  There is literally nothing to stop them.

lol this happens now, there's sideshows all the time

regardless you don't need guys with guns to make traffic stops

[MakeItRain]

Unless they saw the gun, there was no way most of those people could know. I'm assuming they have spent a week+ hearing random bangs and pops. Him running through the crowd was brilliant because he blended in great with the thousand other white guys in a dark hoodie. Unfortunately, he left his rough ridin' car there making it pretty damn easy for him to get found, if the Seattle police were interested in such things.

He walked through the crowd to the police.



Video's in here: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/man-shot-after-gunman-drives-car-into-capitol-hill-protesters/

Also shows that goal of non-panicking dude was to hold that shitty plastic barrier down on the car to keep it from advancing further. Much confidence in his strength.

Barricade guy was the funniest part of that video, to me

[MakeItRain]

so based off browsing Ben Shapiro's twitter this morning, it seems like the go-to conservative response to defunding the police is "what'll you do if someone is breaking into your home?" Like how often do cops prevent home invasions in progress?

I wonder what home invasions would look like in the absence of police or the threat of police. 

I imagine pretty similar assuming there is still a threat of prosecution.

Maybe so, but I think the threat of police showing up to the home invasion probably puts the invaders on a bit of a clock.

In the suburbs, yeah.