The riot to reform police thread

[michigancat]

good grief that's an incredibly dumb parallel

feel free to describe why, if you disagree with it.

no thanks

[sys]

very convincing.

[Institutional Control]

That doesn’t seem like a fair comparison. Defund is the police is an extreme political stance and QAnon are conspiracy theories.


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[sys]

That doesn’t seem like a fair comparison. Defund is the police is an extreme political stance and QAnon are conspiracy theories.

https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1326215586066681858

[michigancat]

hmm some interesting overlap here

https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1326214729036144641

[sys]

it'll be interesting to see when final votes are in and people have time to look at them.  my guess is that biden will have outrun congressional dems by at least 2%.

[kim carnes]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/portland-city-commissioner-campaigned-defund-222917406.html

Smgdh

[MakeItRain]

I think that MIR is the outlier here, not Sys and 7. It’s shitty messaging.

I'm not an outlier, you aren't reading correctly. I've never once said the messaging was good, bad, or indifferent. My opinion is that the messaging doesn't matter. If the advocates said "reallocate police funding" or "demilitarizev the police" the republicans would weaponize it. A slogan isn't the reason why dems lost house seats nor should it stop legislators from doing their jobs and addressing the issue.

None of that up there is particularly controversial or groundbreaking. The talk of "defund the police" by anyone who matters is a smoke screen. The republicans also literally branded every single dem house and senate candidate with the green new deal, why isn't any of them whining about that? None of them are crying about being branded as "radical socialist liberals."

Moderate liberals know that police reform, no matter how it's dressed up, is seen as a political hot potato, so they're unnecessarily scared of it. Dems more worried about how their white think of them instead of fixing our country, par for the course.

[MakeItRain]

it's absolutely a bad slogan but it's unclear to me who used it during the election cycle.

a parallel is with qanon and republicans.  very, very few republican electeds went out of there way to use qanon acceptance, but a small number flirted with overt acceptance of parts of qanon thought and almost all were careful not to strongly disavow and distance themselves.  as a result, the entire party was understandably tarnished with being qanon adjacent.

the message for republicans with qanon and for dems with respect to defund/abolish the police activists should have been that these are not serious people, we don't agree with them, they are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse and we don't seek or desire their support.


btw, i don't know if this list is accurate or comprehensive, but i have no reason to think it isn't at least the former.

My God, lol

[MakeItRain]

good grief that's an incredibly dumb parallel

feel free to describe why, if you disagree with it.

See this is why it's impossible to take you at face value when you say you're always sincere. Because either you're trolling or you're the dumbest [redacted] to ever touch a cell phone, like I don't even know how you manage to use one.

The conversation was about how bad the branding of defund the police is, which btw, no one has disagreed with, so I'm a little confused as to why we're even still talking about it. You just drew a parallel between a legitimate policy position with that of a conspiracy theory group who believes that a large segment of the country kidnaps children, stores them in furniture, and uses them as sex slaves.  Then you act as if you don't know why someone wouldn't want to engage that conversation.

Sorry, no one is that obtuse, you were being insincere.

[sys]

The conversation was about how bad the branding of defund the police is, which btw, no one has disagreed with, so I'm a little confused as to why we're even still talking about it.

not gonna bother to look back for it, but i'm almost positive that both you and michigan defended the branding earlier in the year. 

but you're still both trying to insist that the (now) admittedly poor branding was innocuous, which frankly is nonsensical.  it may or may not have played a role in the election, but the poor branding has unquestionably tarnished police reform efforts and made it less likely that anything will be accomplished.

You just drew a parallel between a legitimate policy position with that of a conspiracy theory group who believes that a large segment of the country kidnaps children, stores them in furniture, and uses them as sex slaves.  Then you act as if you don't know why someone wouldn't want to engage that conversation.

they're both outside the range of normal political thought.  as the focus group participant quoted in the tweet earlier highlighted, a normal voter finds both to be crazy.

Sorry, no one is that obtuse, you were being insincere.

mir, i mean this as sincerely as i have ever meant anything.  eff you and eff off.

[MakeItRain]

This dude is defending drawing a parallel between a branding of a policy position and Qanon, holy crap  you spend too much time sniffing your own farts, you've completely lost the plot.

[michigancat]

Dang I missed the drama yesterday somehow.

Defund the police is a bad slogan for politicians. I may have defended it at one point but yeah I agree it's not great even though I think the possibilities of what "defund the police" details might translate into policy are fantastic.

Any mainstream national politician using the slogan is dumb. Blaming national progressives for not distancing themselves from it enough is dumb.

Really, I think Dems need to figure out how to combat Fox News. They're the ones talking about defunding the police more than anyone, and if it wasn't that they'd find some other radical-sounding position to assign to any high profile Dem. What's the solution to that without turning into Republicans?

[MakeItRain]

Every time I get ready to walk away from Defund The Police, they drag me right back in.

https://twitter.com/bshelburne/status/1334880266968510483

They act like this in the backdrop of everything that has been happening in this country, I can't imagine how these thugs act when they're not being watched. Apparently they didn't remember the racist Christmas Tree from 12 in Minnesota two years ago.

https://www.kshb.com/news/national/two-minneapolis-officers-put-on-leave-after-decorating-precinct-with-a-racist-christmas-tree

[Dr Rick Daris]

A better plan would be to let the non violent prisoners out. Also defund the police is the dumbest rough ridin' name that anyone in the world could have come up with and Democrats should immediately come up with a different name that means the same thing and say that they are for it but that the aren’t for defunding the police.

[MadCat]

We're not with those guys...we're "Refocused Budget"

[michigancat]

officer daris was on one last night!

[8manpick]

officer daris was on one last night!

I think this was RowdyBoyyy

[michigancat]

also officer daris got me thinking. obviously no one who wants to accomplish anything with police reform is going to use "defund the police" moving forward. But goddam if it hasn't gotten a lot of people talking about what it really means and expressing support for those things that fell under the original "defund" umbrella. so I think activists and politicians should figure out the catchy slogans for "defund's" popular sub-tasks:

-"End the Drug War"
-"Mental health 911 responses instead of armed cops" (this one needs to be workshopped)
-"no-more no-knock warrants" (this one does not need to be workshopped)
-"money for schools not guns"
-etc.

[sys]

activists and dem pols who ran scared of them ruining the best moment in (probably) the history of police reform opportunities getting redefined as defund the police means raising awareness of policing is good times.

[passranch]

We're not with those guys...we're "Refocused Budget"

SPLITTERS!

[MakeItRain]

The talk of "defund the police"as a phrase is a stupid distraction. As if that's the only policy that has a name that doesn't do a perfect job of conveying the actual policy position. The blue stripes did their thing, and the blue voters who didn't really care about the people pushing the position got their cover.

Notice the dems like Spanberger and most others have done nothing to advocate for or bring token police reform legislation to the floor. They have no problem discussing and voting for weed reform that goes no where, but these same people don't want votes for police reform tied to their records.

The entire defund the police discussion is an insult to all of our intelligence.

[IPA4Me]

Not sure where to stick this.

https://twitter.com/TessaDuvall/status/1341796502398771202

[MakeItRain]

Not sure where to stick this.

https://twitter.com/TessaDuvall/status/1341796502398771202

I'm 100% certain they could stop whomever they wanted to stop from using their logo if they didn't want it used.

[MakeItRain]

A cop on cops

https://twitter.com/LisaBLforPA/status/1347185585279148034