Kansas Completely Irrelevant

[EMAWzified]

The funny thing is had KU just let basketball slide a bit in the 90s and done something like Snyder did with the Cats, they'd be in most discussions. But they buried their heads in a basketball, and nobody gave a crap.

[Dr Rick Daris]

two ku co-workers just asked me if i thought that ku basketball could join the nba and they could just have the rest of their sports play in the mwc. i chuckled and said "good one" and then they got mad and told me that they were being serious and that one of them had already emailed lew about it. wow. just, wow. 

[Brock Landers]

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/the-value-of-expansion-candidates-to-the-big-ten-network/


CANDIDATES   TOTAL ADDED REVENUE ESTIMATE
    
Texas   $101,369,004
Rutgers    WITH NYC   $67,798,609
Nebraska   $54,487,990
Maryland   $50,818,889
Boston College   $48,382,692
Notre Dame   $47,629,255
Kansas   $46,320,092
Missouri   $45,901,459
Syracuse   $43,504,813
Connecticut   $38,080,271
Pittsburgh   $34,365,175
Iowa State   $31,831,077
    
Syracuse  WITH NYC   $65,874,573

I was kinda surprised to even see Iowa State mentioned on this list, and that they would less than $3 million behind Pitt.  Then again, rassling is huge in the Big 10.

[sonofdaxjones]

Who can trust ku's athletic revenues anyway . . . nearly everyplace you can go find out about revenues for athletic departments has different numbers for ku . . . they're all over the map, they are also ALWAYS the last BCS conference school to have their DOE Equity in Athletics financial numbers updated.   THe USA Today FOIA information doesn't match what they submitted to the DOE for their EADA reports and the respective fiscal years. 

If anything, KU's athletic revenue is underestimated because of the opportunity cost missed on all of those "complimentary" tickets.

Or the money was laundered back through the athletic department since it was cash and never put on any books . . . you don't know, that's why the IRS and the FBI are STILL investigating ku athletics.

[Cire]

two ku co-workers just asked me if i thought that ku basketball could join the nba and they could just have the rest of their sports play in the mwc. i chuckled and said "good one" and then they got mad and told me that they were being serious and that one of them had already emailed lew about it. wow. just, wow.  

over heard the custodians in their room discussing the same thing.

[OregonSmock]

Who can trust ku's athletic revenues anyway . . . nearly everyplace you can go find out about revenues for athletic departments has different numbers for ku . . . they're all over the map, they are also ALWAYS the last BCS conference school to have their DOE Equity in Athletics financial numbers updated.   THe USA Today FOIA information doesn't match what they submitted to the DOE for their EADA reports and the respective fiscal years. 

If anything, KU's athletic revenue is underestimated because of the opportunity cost missed on all of those "complimentary" tickets.

Or the money was laundered back through the athletic department since it was cash and never put on any books . . . you don't know, that's why the IRS and the FBI are STILL investigating ku athletics.

Yes, which would make the total revenue look like less than what it actually is. 

[steve dave]

Did you guys read the Gary Parrish colum about how KU smells and their face smells and their butts smell and nobody wants them in their conference? 

[sonofdaxjones]

Who can trust ku's athletic revenues anyway . . . nearly everyplace you can go find out about revenues for athletic departments has different numbers for ku . . . they're all over the map, they are also ALWAYS the last BCS conference school to have their DOE Equity in Athletics financial numbers updated.   THe USA Today FOIA information doesn't match what they submitted to the DOE for their EADA reports and the respective fiscal years. 

If anything, KU's athletic revenue is underestimated because of the opportunity cost missed on all of those "complimentary" tickets.

Or the money was laundered back through the athletic department since it was cash and never put on any books . . . you don't know, that's why the IRS and the FBI are STILL investigating ku athletics.

Yes, which would make the total revenue look like less than what it actually is. 

If that really is the case, then Lew and a bunch of other people need to start getting fitted for Orange jumpsuits now.

[Cire]

Did you guys read the Gary Parrish colum about how KU smells and their face smells and their butts smell and nobody wants them in their conference? 

pretty sure everyone in the country that cares about college sports read it.

[sonofdaxjones]

Anybody ever wonder who +1 Hidden is??

[CatsNShocks]

Geezus, Tejas is a monster.
And KSU owns them in everything.

[CNS]

Anybody ever wonder who +1 Hidden is??

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=814

[yosh]

I know Missourians are a bunch of meth heads that steal TVs rather than watch them, but how does KU generate more cable ad dollars than Missouri?

this.  completely threw the table out  when I saw that part.

[OregonSmock]

Did you guys read the Gary Parrish colum about how KU smells and their face smells and their butts smell and nobody wants them in their conference? 

Kansas -- home of a top five basketball program by most historical and current measuring sticks -- is no more of a player in the eat-or-be-eaten game of conference realignment than Iowa State or Kansas State. Or even Kennesaw State, really. And though none of this is a grand revelation -- the ACC, remember, didn't worry much about hoops when it raided the Big East back in 2003 -- it is most certainly a reminder that the future of college athletics will be decided without a single thought to how it affects college basketball.

That's actually more of a slam on the K-State and Iowa State's of the world, IMO.

[Cire]

hang a banner.

[Trim]

Mods, rename thread to Kansas, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kennesaw State Irrelevant.  Mods?

[ew2x4]

Did you guys read the Gary Parrish colum about how KU smells and their face smells and their butts smell and nobody wants them in their conference? 

Kansas -- home of a top five basketball program by most historical and current measuring sticks -- is no more of a player in the eat-or-be-eaten game of conference realignment than Iowa State or Kansas State. Or even Kennesaw State, really. And though none of this is a grand revelation -- the ACC, remember, didn't worry much about hoops when it raided the Big East back in 2003 -- it is most certainly a reminder that the future of college athletics will be decided without a single thought to how it affects college basketball.

That's actually more of a slam on the K-State and Iowa State's of the world, IMO.

The fact we're not crying to mommy and can see the world for what it is is the real point here. Accept it and move on, man.

[steve dave]

bobfescoe
 
if ku ends up in a non bcs league, i could see bill self leaving for the #nba #spurs may be a fit w buford connection

[Pete]

bobfescoe
 
if ku ends up in a non bcs league, i could see bill self leaving for the #nba #spurs may be a fit w buford connection

 

The basketball coach was clear in his preference to keep the Big 12 the way it is, stating the men's basketball coaching job is "not as attractive if we're not a BCS conference."

http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines/95797584.html


So do you think Self is more likely to take the Oklahoma State job or just jump to the pros?

[steve dave]

My guess is he goes to whichever offers first.  Nail in KU basketball's coffin.  They had a pretty nice run despite all the violations and junk. 

[catzacker]

bobfescoe
 
if ku ends up in a non bcs league, i could see bill self leaving for the #nba #spurs may be a fit w buford connection

 

The basketball coach was clear in his preference to keep the Big 12 the way it is, stating the men's basketball coaching job is "not as attractive if we're not a BCS conference."

http://www.wibw.com/sports/headlines/95797584.html


So do you think Self is more likely to take the Oklahoma State job or just jump to the pros?

IMO, he should jump to the pros, earn a fat check and if it doesn't work out, hop back to college, especially since the landscape might have settled by then.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I know Missourians are a bunch of meth heads that steal TVs rather than watch them, but how does KU generate more cable ad dollars than Missouri?

Well, they are on ESPN just about every Monday during basketball season.

[pike]

Looks like we have found why we KU is not getting invited to a conference....KU and KSU are a package deal. No one wants anything to do with KSU

These are the straight up published numbers self-published by each school and to the board of regents.

Living Alumni
...
KU - 305,717
KSU - 158,828

Endowment

KU - $955 mil
KSU - $259.8 mil

Current Student enrollment

KU - 30,004
KSU - 21,570

Athletic dept. net worth

KU - $86,009,257 (2nd in the Big 12 only behind UT and #10 in the nation)
KSU - $48,160,113

Academics

KU
consistently ranks well above KSU in every national ranking of overall
academics. For example in the 2010 US News rankings, KU is #96 and a
tier 1 school, while KSU is unranked and a tier 3 school. KU is an AAU(Association of American Universities) member, while KSU is not.

From the comments ^

[sonofdaxjones]

Well you can lower ku's athletic department numbers by $20 million based on the information they released to USA Today . . . then again, as stated, you can't take what ku reports as fact, because they've been all over the map and who knows how badly Lew has cooked the books . . . their athletic department is currently operating in the red as well per Lew himself in USA today back in April.

Plus nice usage of the Spring Semester enrollment number, which are always lower than the Fall enrollment number which was 23,581.   But Tardville has never been very good at doing any actual research.

[OregonSmock]

Well you can lower ku's athletic department numbers by $20 million based on the information they released to USA Today . . . then again, as stated, you can't take what ku reports as fact, because they've been all over the map and who knows how badly Lew has cooked the books . . . their athletic department is currently operating in the red as well per Lew himself in USA today back in April.