CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[michigancat]

#blueanongE back to being Covid experts . . .

Did you ever get a real answer on why people who are still getting vaccinated are still getting the vid?  Are symptoms not as bad if you get the shot?  Also have there been tons of MAGA that have died from the vid that refused to get the shot and just hasn't been reported in the press yet?

Pretty sure it was widely reported that MAGAs were dropping left and right in 2021.

The vax made a huge difference in who lived and died during the Delta wave from the late summer of 2021 until Omicron came on the scene in late Feb 2022. With or without vaccine, most infections have caused a mild illness since Spring  2023.

There was still a significant difference in death rates into 2023

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?yScale=log

[Sandstone Outcropping]

#blueanongE back to being Covid experts . . .

Did you ever get a real answer on why people who are still getting vaccinated are still getting the vid?  Are symptoms not as bad if you get the shot?  Also have there been tons of MAGA that have died from the vid that refused to get the shot and just hasn't been reported in the press yet?

Pretty sure it was widely reported that MAGAs were dropping left and right in 2021.

The vax made a huge difference in who lived and died during the Delta wave from the late summer of 2021 until Omicron came on the scene in late Feb 2022. With or without vaccine, most infections have caused a mild illness since Spring  2023.

There was still a significant difference in death rates into 2023

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?yScale=log

I hadn’t seen that graph. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. If I’m reading it correctly, the death rate for the unvaccinated was 10x worse at the peak of Delta deaths in Jan 2022. Once again, piss on the heads of people who enriched themselves generating antivaxx misinformation. And kudos to Trump for Operation Warp Speed

[I_have_purplewood]

#blueanongE back to being Covid experts . . .

Did you ever get a real answer on why people who are still getting vaccinated are still getting the vid?  Are symptoms not as bad if you get the shot?  Also have there been tons of MAGA that have died from the vid that refused to get the shot and just hasn't been reported in the press yet?

Pretty sure it was widely reported that MAGAs were dropping left and right in 2021.

The vax made a huge difference in who lived and died during the Delta wave from the late summer of 2021 until Omicron came on the scene in late Feb 2022. With or without vaccine, most infections have caused a mild illness since Spring  2023.

There was still a significant difference in death rates into 2023

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?yScale=log

I hadn’t seen that graph. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. If I’m reading it correctly, the death rate for the unvaccinated was 10x worse at the peak of Delta deaths in Jan 2022. Once again, piss on the heads of people who enriched themselves generating antivaxx misinformation. And kudos to Trump for Operation Warp Speed

I also appreciate the graph but I can't say it's all that surprising?  It was mainly people who were medically comprised who did and didn't get vaccinated that probably represent the most deaths on that chart during the "Delta" phase?

Do you have graphs that prove more MAGA's died at that time than dems? 

I think my other point is that getting a shot now for the vid is like getting a shot for the flu.  Can it help you?  Absolutely if you're medically compromised or if it's the right variant during flu season.  If not, it might help a tad at best. 

[Pete]

Some of the benefits of the flu vaccine are for society at large, which is a value proposition that typically does not appeal to MAGA.

1.   Reduced Risk of Flu: The primary benefit is lowering the chance of getting the flu. The vaccine is designed to protect against the most common strains circulating in a given flu season.
   2.   Decreased Severity: Even if you contract the flu after vaccination, your symptoms are likely to be milder, and the illness shorter compared to those who are unvaccinated.
   3.   Protection for Vulnerable Populations: Healthy adults who get vaccinated help protect those who cannot get the vaccine, such as infants, the elderly, or people with compromised immune systems, through herd immunity.
   4.   Lowered Risk of Complications: The flu can lead to complications like pneumonia, bronchitis, or sinus infections, especially in people with pre-existing health conditions. The vaccine helps reduce the risk of such complications.
   5.   Reduced Sick Days: By avoiding or reducing the severity of the flu, the vaccine helps reduce missed work days, improving overall productivity and minimizing the spread of illness in workplaces or communities.
   6.   Lowers Hospitalization Rates: For healthy adults, the flu vaccine can reduce the likelihood of needing hospital care due to the flu, which in turn reduces the strain on healthcare systems.

[michigancat]

Do you have graphs that prove more MAGA's died at that time than dems? 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

The pandemic inflicted higher rates of excess deaths on both Republicans and Democrats. But after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, Republican voters in Florida and Ohio died at a higher rate than their counterparts, according to a new study.

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

[star seed 7]

I_have_antivax

[Stupid Fitz]

Some of the benefits of the flu vaccine are for society at large, which is a value proposition that typically does not appeal to MAGA.

1.   Reduced Risk of Flu: The primary benefit is lowering the chance of getting the flu. The vaccine is designed to protect against the most common strains circulating in a given flu season.
   2.   Decreased Severity: Even if you contract the flu after vaccination, your symptoms are likely to be milder, and the illness shorter compared to those who are unvaccinated.
   3.   Protection for Vulnerable Populations: Healthy adults who get vaccinated help protect those who cannot get the vaccine, such as infants, the elderly, or people with compromised immune systems, through herd immunity.
   4.   Lowered Risk of Complications: The flu can lead to complications like pneumonia, bronchitis, or sinus infections, especially in people with pre-existing health conditions. The vaccine helps reduce the risk of such complications.
   5.   Reduced Sick Days: By avoiding or reducing the severity of the flu, the vaccine helps reduce missed work days, improving overall productivity and minimizing the spread of illness in workplaces or communities.
   6.   Lowers Hospitalization Rates: For healthy adults, the flu vaccine can reduce the likelihood of needing hospital care due to the flu, which in turn reduces the strain on healthcare systems.

Thanks Pete, I was an admittedly dumbass anti "Flu" vaxxer for a while. I wasn't afraid of being chipped or giving myself autism or anything, I was just a healthy stud that worked out and ate healthy and rarely got sick. If I did get the flu, which was rare, I just figured it is what it is and I'd be whipping ass again soon. It wasn't until I stopped being a selfish dumbass and "did my own research" to learn that it really wasn't about me so much as it could help those I come in contact with that it may affect way more or those that may have compromised kids or whatever.

[michigancat]

People don't realize how much the real flu can eff people up. Probably more people do now but still a lot more folks are more firmly anti-any- vaxx than probably ever before

[Stupid Fitz]

People don't realize how much the real flu can eff people up. Probably more people do now but still a lot more folks are more firmly anti-any- vaxx than probably ever before

True. I wasn't anti vax, but some of that influenced my thinking at least a bit. Not the crazy crap, the flu was just never that big a deal to me so I thought why would I inject myself with something, when at most I'll only big sick a day or so. Again, it was just being a young dumbass and only thinking about myself.

[I_have_purplewood]

Do you have graphs that prove more MAGA's died at that time than dems? 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

The pandemic inflicted higher rates of excess deaths on both Republicans and Democrats. But after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, Republican voters in Florida and Ohio died at a higher rate than their counterparts, according to a new study.

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

The study doesn't provide all the answers
The researchers note that their study has several limitations, including the chance that political party affiliation "is a proxy for other risk factors," such as income, health insurance status and chronic medical conditions, along with race and ethnicity.


The study was funded by the Tobin Center for Economic Policy at Yale University and the Yale School of Public Health COVID-19 Rapid Response Research Fund.

The study focused only on registered Republicans and Democrats; independents were excluded. And because the researchers drilled into data in Florida and Ohio, they warn that their findings might not translate to other states.

The researchers' data also did not specify a cause of death, and it accounts for some 83.5% of U.S. deaths, rather than the entire number. And because data about the vaccination status of each of the 538,159 people who died in the two states wasn't available, researchers could only go as granular as the county level in assessing excess deaths and vaccination rates.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Almost as strange as "Trump is the smartest toughest boss on the planet but nearly every person he has ever decided to hire turned out to be a RINO-backstabbing-doublecrossing coward" is "Trump did operation warp speed AND vaccines are a plot by a cabal of demon-filled globalists who want to harvest adrenochrome from children and use vaccines to depopulate the planet and the behest of George Soros"

[catastrophe]

Do you have graphs that prove more MAGA's died at that time than dems? 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

The pandemic inflicted higher rates of excess deaths on both Republicans and Democrats. But after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, Republican voters in Florida and Ohio died at a higher rate than their counterparts, according to a new study.

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

The study doesn't provide all the answers
The researchers note that their study has several limitations, including the chance that political party affiliation "is a proxy for other risk factors," such as income, health insurance status and chronic medical conditions, along with race and ethnicity.

Agreed it is very fair to note that Republicans being generally poorer, fatter, and grosser could skew results on mortality.

[Cire]

was talking about this to a buddy,

all the Chud covid deaths that aren't going to be around to vote!

[Dugout DickStone]

Do you have graphs that prove more MAGA's died at that time than dems? 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

The pandemic inflicted higher rates of excess deaths on both Republicans and Democrats. But after COVID-19 vaccines arrived, Republican voters in Florida and Ohio died at a higher rate than their counterparts, according to a new study.

Researchers from Yale University who studied the pandemic's effects on those two states say that from the pandemic's start in March 2020 through December 2021, "excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before."

The study doesn't provide all the answers
The researchers note that their study has several limitations, including the chance that political party affiliation "is a proxy for other risk factors," such as income, health insurance status and chronic medical conditions, along with race and ethnicity.

Agreed it is very fair to note that Republicans being generally poorer, fatter, and grosser could skew results on mortality.

very surprised this is the maga rebuttal but there it is

[Trim]

If dying makes it more likely for Biden to win, I'd prefer he died. But yeah if he was basically in an ICU until election day and recovered that would be fine too.

dying would presumably throw the nomination to pence, who would probably lose to biden, but the uncertainty on that projection is about 20 billion times higher than the uncertainty on the projection that trump will lose to biden.

trump being in an icu on election day would be way better for biden.

ICU until the election it is!

Wouldn't hurt to then have him die once it's accepted by everyone except him that Biden won, just to take him being an obstructionist about the transition off the table.

If dying makes it more likely for Biden to win, I'd prefer he died. But yeah if he was basically in an ICU until election day and recovered that would be fine too.

dying would presumably throw the nomination to pence, who would probably lose to biden, but the uncertainty on that projection is about 20 billion times higher than the uncertainty on the projection that trump will lose to biden.

trump being in an icu on election day would be way better for biden.

ICU until the election it is!

I’ve got a bad feeling that we should’ve t’d and p’d for the death to take trump re-election out of play.

I think him dying soon would over time prevent exponentially more people from dying. So root however you want, but ethically you’re clear death wish’n.

[nicname]

#blueanongE back to being Covid experts . . .

Did you ever get a real answer on why people who are still getting vaccinated are still getting the vid?  Are symptoms not as bad if you get the shot?  Also have there been tons of MAGA that have died from the vid that refused to get the shot and just hasn't been reported in the press yet?

Pretty sure it was widely reported that MAGAs were dropping left and right in 2021.

The vax made a huge difference in who lived and died during the Delta wave from the late summer of 2021 until Omicron came on the scene in late Feb 2022. With or without vaccine, most infections have caused a mild illness since Spring  2023.

There was still a significant difference in death rates into 2023

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?yScale=log

I hadn’t seen that graph. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. If I’m reading it correctly, the death rate for the unvaccinated was 10x worse at the peak of Delta deaths in Jan 2022. Once again, piss on the heads of people who enriched themselves generating antivaxx misinformation. And kudos to Trump for Operation Warp Speed

In other words a .032% chance of death vs a .004 chance of death.

[sonofdaxjones]

#blueanongE asks the viewers to set aside the fact that even if Covid-19 was not the primary catalyst in morbidity - if a person died while having Covid it was more often then not classified as “Covid Death”.

It’s also sad to see someone still has simp brained demographic understanding ITT


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[michigancat]

#blueanongE asks the viewers to set aside the fact that even if Covid-19 was not the primary catalyst in morbidity - if a person died while having Covid it was more often then not classified as “Covid Death”.

It’s also sad to see someone still has simp brained demographic understanding ITT


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LMAO we still doing this?

[sonofdaxjones]

I don’t have to ask you if you’re still being a simp, because we see that on display every day.

LOL

Imagine not understanding that Covid was a massive profit center for hospitals and large healthcare systems. So all roads lead to Covid.




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[Stupid Fitz]

Holy moly. We live in interesting times my dudes.

[sonofdaxjones]

Stupid Fitz: Still utterly incapable of using adult words

[Stupid Fitz]

Stupid Fitz: Still utterly incapable of using adult words

#isthisbetterdax

[sonofdaxjones]

Not capable of having anything even resembling a real conversation. Just going to sit in here and meltdown like a child for the next few years.

[steve dave]

#blueanongE back to being Covid experts . . .

Did you ever get a real answer on why people who are still getting vaccinated are still getting the vid?  Are symptoms not as bad if you get the shot?  Also have there been tons of MAGA that have died from the vid that refused to get the shot and just hasn't been reported in the press yet?

Pretty sure it was widely reported that MAGAs were dropping left and right in 2021.

The vax made a huge difference in who lived and died during the Delta wave from the late summer of 2021 until Omicron came on the scene in late Feb 2022. With or without vaccine, most infections have caused a mild illness since Spring  2023.

There was still a significant difference in death rates into 2023

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?yScale=log

I hadn’t seen that graph. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. If I’m reading it correctly, the death rate for the unvaccinated was 10x worse at the peak of Delta deaths in Jan 2022. Once again, piss on the heads of people who enriched themselves generating antivaxx misinformation. And kudos to Trump for Operation Warp Speed

In other words a .032% chance of death vs a .004 chance of death.

Uhhhhhhh….


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[nicname]

#blueanongE back to being Covid experts . . .

Did you ever get a real answer on why people who are still getting vaccinated are still getting the vid?  Are symptoms not as bad if you get the shot?  Also have there been tons of MAGA that have died from the vid that refused to get the shot and just hasn't been reported in the press yet?

Pretty sure it was widely reported that MAGAs were dropping left and right in 2021.

The vax made a huge difference in who lived and died during the Delta wave from the late summer of 2021 until Omicron came on the scene in late Feb 2022. With or without vaccine, most infections have caused a mild illness since Spring  2023.

There was still a significant difference in death rates into 2023

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?yScale=log

I hadn’t seen that graph. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. If I’m reading it correctly, the death rate for the unvaccinated was 10x worse at the peak of Delta deaths in Jan 2022. Once again, piss on the heads of people who enriched themselves generating antivaxx misinformation. And kudos to Trump for Operation Warp Speed

In other words a .032% chance of death vs a .004 chance of death.

Uhhhhhhh….


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Peak Covid deaths per the linked graph at mass casualties

Unvaccinated 33.64-of-100,000 = .034% of those infected dead
Vaccinated 3.33-of-100,000 = .0033333333% of those infected dead