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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14225 on: March 01, 2021, 01:07:11 PM »
Yeah I think now it’s about being proactive.  If you want to get chipped and are willing to hustle you can get it

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14226 on: March 01, 2021, 01:17:23 PM »
You can still sometimes find 'chips in the trash, but that'll probably be over by the end of March.
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14228 on: March 01, 2021, 04:50:36 PM »
we are definitely in the phase of vaxxing where I go through IG stories and see jab selfies and I'm like, "wait, how are they eligible?"

which really is a great sign.

yeah, i've noticed my own attitude shifting from "happy for your grandmother, father or aunt" to "how the eff are you getting vaccinated" at a rapidly increasing rate.
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« Reply #14229 on: March 01, 2021, 08:32:53 PM »
Seems like everyone around kc is starting to get vaxxed


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14230 on: March 01, 2021, 11:28:33 PM »
we are definitely in the phase of vaxxing where I go through IG stories and see jab selfies and I'm like, "wait, how are they eligible?"

which really is a great sign.

yeah, i've noticed my own attitude shifting from "happy for your grandmother, father or aunt" to "how the eff are you getting vaccinated" at a rapidly increasing rate.

the worst one was a local DJamer I follow. He posted that he had to "finesse" to get the vaccine. But, he was also partying in Cancun with a large group when things were worst here in July so he's probably a good one to get chipped.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14232 on: March 02, 2021, 01:10:11 PM »
Cue “claims to be pro life” meme

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14233 on: March 02, 2021, 01:21:10 PM »
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[W]e advise that if the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine is available, Catholics should choose to receive either of those vaccines rather than to receive the new Johnson & Johnson vaccine because of its extensive use of abortion-derived cell lines.
Doesn't really seem unreasonable to me. "If alternatives are available, opt for those."


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14234 on: March 02, 2021, 01:28:18 PM »
Alternatives aren't available. You get what they have.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14236 on: March 02, 2021, 01:39:26 PM »
Alternatives aren't available. You get what they have.
Ok.  There's no prohibition on that.

He's signing a death sentence for some of his parishoners.  classy
like, what?


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14237 on: March 02, 2021, 01:43:20 PM »
Alternatives aren't available. You get what they have.
Ok.  There's no prohibition on that.

He's signing a death sentence for some of his parishoners.  classy
like, what?

Telling them to not get a certain vaccination that would save their life. 

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14239 on: March 02, 2021, 01:50:24 PM »
Alternatives aren't available. You get what they have.
Ok.  There's no prohibition on that.

He's signing a death sentence for some of his parishoners.  classy
like, what?

Telling them to not get a certain vaccination that would save their life.
yeah i guess if that's what he said, but he didn't say that.  he said if something else is available, choose something else.


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14241 on: March 02, 2021, 02:06:08 PM »
Alternatives aren't available. You get what they have.
Ok.  There's no prohibition on that.

He's signing a death sentence for some of his parishoners.  classy
like, what?

Telling them to not get a certain vaccination that would save their life.
yeah i guess if that's what he said, but he didn't say that.  he said if something else is available, choose something else.

I’m sure that there will be some who refuse the J&J outright even if it’s only option.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14242 on: March 02, 2021, 02:06:23 PM »
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14243 on: March 02, 2021, 02:08:28 PM »
Alternatives aren't available. You get what they have.
Ok.  There's no prohibition on that.

He's signing a death sentence for some of his parishoners.  classy
like, what?

Telling them to not get a certain vaccination that would save their life.
yeah i guess if that's what he said, but he didn't say that.  he said if something else is available, choose something else.

I’m sure that there will be some who refuse the J&J outright even if it’s only option.
ok...that's their prerogative, but it's not what the archdiocese told them to do.


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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14244 on: March 02, 2021, 02:15:36 PM »
Maybe don’t give those kinds or orders period.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14245 on: March 02, 2021, 02:19:12 PM »
Maybe don’t give those kinds or orders period.
I'm having a hard time understanding your position on this.  The information is relevant to Catholics and the actual charge isn't complex, controversial or dangerous.



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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14246 on: March 02, 2021, 02:50:29 PM »
Maybe don’t give those kinds or orders period.
I'm having a hard time understanding your position on this.  The information is relevant to Catholics and the actual charge isn't complex, controversial or dangerous.
The real problem is that the Archdiocese is breaking with Vatican guidelines on this stance (which said even vaccines using fetal material are ok).

It’s an anti-vax stance, not a religious one.

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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14247 on: March 02, 2021, 02:58:36 PM »
Maybe don’t give those kinds or orders period.
I'm having a hard time understanding your position on this.  The information is relevant to Catholics and the actual charge isn't complex, controversial or dangerous.
The real problem is that the Archdiocese is breaking with Vatican guidelines on this stance (which said even vaccines using fetal material are ok).

It’s an anti-vax stance, not a religious one.
"If given the option, choose vaccine a over vaccine b" is not an "anti-vax" stance.  It's a conditionally "anti vaccine b" stance.

Regardless, here is what the vatican said:

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1. As the Instruction Dignitas Personae states, in cases where cells from aborted fetuses are employed to create cell lines for use in scientific research, “there exist differing degrees of responsibility”[1] of cooperation in evil. For example,“in organizations where cell lines of illicit origin are being utilized, the responsibility of those who make the decision to use them is not the same as that of those who have no voice in such a decision”.[2]

2. In this sense, when ethically irreproachable Covid-19 vaccines are not available (e.g. in countries where vaccines without ethical problems are not made available to physicians and patients, or where their distribution is more difficult due to special storage and transport conditions, or when various types of vaccines are distributed in the same country but health authorities do not allow citizens to choose the vaccine with which to be inoculated) it is morally acceptable to receive Covid-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process.
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html

Where exactly does the archdiocese's statement differ from the Vatican's?

I will say, your confusion is understandable, given the WaPo article, which stated:

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The decision could put the archdiocese in conflict with the Vatican and Pope Francis, who have been aggressively pro-vaccine. Last December, the Vatican approved the use of vaccines “that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process,” adding it’s “morally acceptable,” although the pope has yet to specifically address the Johnson & Johnson shot.

I mean, omitting the conditional nature of the Vatican's statement is ridiculously misleading. Omitting that language while maintaining the Archdiocese's statement is "in conflict" with the Vatican is close to a straight up lie.   
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Re: CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread
« Reply #14248 on: March 02, 2021, 03:17:11 PM »
I didn't know the pope took the fetus vaccine.  That is wild

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« Reply #14249 on: March 02, 2021, 03:26:08 PM »
I’d grant the Vatican’s statement is a little open ended, but I certainly wouldn’t call it conditional. Unlike the Archdiocese, the Vatican does not say it is problematic to accept a vaccine using fetal material if an alternative is “available” (whatever that means). The #1 point you pasted says the moral culpability is not at all the same for someone who has no say in what goes into the thing.

If the stances are really the same, you have to ask why the Archdiocese did not reference the Vatican’s views or simply defer to them generally. Especially why they would make the statement at a time when literally the only vaccine “choice” to be made almost anywhere is accepting or rejecting the one you are offered when you are offered it.

The messaging at best is sloppy, but more than anything seems aimed at discouraging folks from getting the J&J vaccine at a time when that means not getting vaccinated at all for a lot of people.