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Quote from: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:05:11 AMIt feels like we're still missing a big variable in this fight. Half a year into limiting crowds, social distancing, etc. and months into mandatory mask wearing in many areas and we're still seeing this thing slow burn throughout the world. We've basically eliminated touching of surfaces spreading it. I don't think surfaces have ever been a significant source of spread. The Japanese got it right: loud talking, close proximity, and indoor spaces with poor ventilation promote spread regardless of how clean the door handles are. It shouldn't surprise anyone that countries with wide open bars are seeing increases in cases.
It feels like we're still missing a big variable in this fight. Half a year into limiting crowds, social distancing, etc. and months into mandatory mask wearing in many areas and we're still seeing this thing slow burn throughout the world. We've basically eliminated touching of surfaces spreading it.
Quote from: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 10:15:37 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:05:11 AMIt feels like we're still missing a big variable in this fight. Half a year into limiting crowds, social distancing, etc. and months into mandatory mask wearing in many areas and we're still seeing this thing slow burn throughout the world. We've basically eliminated touching of surfaces spreading it. I don't think surfaces have ever been a significant source of spread. The Japanese got it right: loud talking, close proximity, and indoor spaces with poor ventilation promote spread regardless of how clean the door handles are. It shouldn't surprise anyone that countries with wide open bars are seeing increases in cases.Yeah that's what I meant. Scientifically we've found surfaces aren't spreading it, not that our extra cleaning theatre fixed it.Japan is definitely in better shape but it's still steady # of cases past few months. Looks like their restaurants and bars went back to normal in September though.https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-eases-business-restrictions-despite-COVID-19-risk
Quote from: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:27:48 AMQuote from: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 10:15:37 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:05:11 AMIt feels like we're still missing a big variable in this fight. Half a year into limiting crowds, social distancing, etc. and months into mandatory mask wearing in many areas and we're still seeing this thing slow burn throughout the world. We've basically eliminated touching of surfaces spreading it. I don't think surfaces have ever been a significant source of spread. The Japanese got it right: loud talking, close proximity, and indoor spaces with poor ventilation promote spread regardless of how clean the door handles are. It shouldn't surprise anyone that countries with wide open bars are seeing increases in cases.Yeah that's what I meant. Scientifically we've found surfaces aren't spreading it, not that our extra cleaning theatre fixed it.Japan is definitely in better shape but it's still steady # of cases past few months. Looks like their restaurants and bars went back to normal in September though.https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-eases-business-restrictions-despite-COVID-19-riskyeah their steady number of cases is around 4 per million while the US is around 130. You can probably get away with bars being open and manage contact tracing when the numbers are that low.
Quote from: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 10:58:38 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:27:48 AMQuote from: michigancat on October 05, 2020, 10:15:37 AMQuote from: Phil Titola on October 05, 2020, 10:05:11 AMIt feels like we're still missing a big variable in this fight. Half a year into limiting crowds, social distancing, etc. and months into mandatory mask wearing in many areas and we're still seeing this thing slow burn throughout the world. We've basically eliminated touching of surfaces spreading it. I don't think surfaces have ever been a significant source of spread. The Japanese got it right: loud talking, close proximity, and indoor spaces with poor ventilation promote spread regardless of how clean the door handles are. It shouldn't surprise anyone that countries with wide open bars are seeing increases in cases.Yeah that's what I meant. Scientifically we've found surfaces aren't spreading it, not that our extra cleaning theatre fixed it.Japan is definitely in better shape but it's still steady # of cases past few months. Looks like their restaurants and bars went back to normal in September though.https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-eases-business-restrictions-despite-COVID-19-riskyeah their steady number of cases is around 4 per million while the US is around 130. You can probably get away with bars being open and manage contact tracing when the numbers are that low.True. Even so they were able to get it down using the same restrictions the US has (proximity, indoor spaces, masks), albeit we're much more piecemeal. Just seems like our current mitigations aren't quite doing it.
How long did it take for Cain to die?
yeah the trump tweets are incredibly ominous. He should not do that
You knew that was going to be the message out of this.It's not so bad! MAGA
Quote from: Cire on October 05, 2020, 02:00:27 PMYou knew that was going to be the message out of this.It's not so bad! MAGAWhich is why I wanted it to knock him on his ass for a bit.
I think him dying soon would over time prevent exponentially more people from dying. So root however you want, but ethically you’re clear death wish’n.
Could they have better ventilation protocols with more outdoor air to dilute and better filtration to capture? I'm no expert on Japanese commercial building codes.
Quote from: wetwillie on October 03, 2020, 11:21:49 AMHow long did it take for Cain to die?A lot longer than I would have guessed. Oof.https://twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1313192280971452418
If this cocktail can keep a an obese elderly man alive and kicking after Covid symptoms and low initial blood oxygen saturation it’s going to make a quadrillion dollars right?
