CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[Trim]

Have I seen a wet market on the Bachelor toward the ends of seasons when they traverse around Asia and try strange foods?

[chum1]

Wet markets in and of themselves aren't unsafe. Unsanitary wet markets are unsafe. Just like unsanitary grocery stores are unsafe.

[michigancat]

I think we should spend a lot of time looking into the wet markets right now because even if it won't fix the problem of the current pandemic it might make us feel better about our current failures which would be great for morale

[sys]

it's been moderately well established that the virus did not pass into humans at the wet market in wuhan, if that matters to people's wet market takes.

[DaBigTrain]

Yep it escaped from a lab

[sys]

Yep it escaped from a lab

seems far-fetched.

[mocat]

it's been moderately well established that the virus did not pass into humans at the wet market in wuhan, if that matters to people's wet market takes.

interesting

[sys]

What's the leading theory now, bat to cow to human or something?

i think bat to human is still considered the most likely route, just that it happened sometime before the outbreak traced back to the wet market.  the wet market outbreak probably was just human to humans.

[bucket]

it's been moderately well established that the virus did not pass into humans at the wet market in wuhan, if that matters to people's wet market takes.

What's the leading theory now, bat to cow to human or something?

In the movie Contagion it was bat to pig to human! 

[michigancat]

So aerosols, thought the below snippet was interesting, but could have been few enough that it wasn't an infectious dose.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

The New York Times: ‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

Important read for people who think keeping kids six feet apart indoors at schools will prevent the spread

[Cire]

I thought it was bat to butcher


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[Phil Titola]

So aerosols, thought the below snippet was interesting, but could have been few enough that it wasn't an infectious dose.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

The New York Times: ‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

Important read for people who think keeping kids six feet apart indoors at schools will prevent the spread

Still an important final question.


“I’m just not sure that these numbers are high enough to cause an infection in somebody,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Being able to harvest it out of the air does seem big but is it enough to make anybody sick?

[bucket]

I thought it was bat to butcher


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Wrong!

[catastrophe]

So aerosols, thought the below snippet was interesting, but could have been few enough that it wasn't an infectious dose.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

The New York Times: ‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

Important read for people who think keeping kids six feet apart indoors at schools will prevent the spread

Still an important final question.


“I’m just not sure that these numbers are high enough to cause an infection in somebody,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Being able to harvest it out of the air does seem big but is it enough to make anybody sick?

Yeah it seems similar to how everyone was wiping down Amazon boxes with bleach at the beginning cause they determined it could survive like 3 days on cardboard. Finding a live virus is not the same thing as identifying an actual infection risk.

[michigancat]

So aerosols, thought the below snippet was interesting, but could have been few enough that it wasn't an infectious dose.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

The New York Times: ‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

Important read for people who think keeping kids six feet apart indoors at schools will prevent the spread

Still an important final question.


“I’m just not sure that these numbers are high enough to cause an infection in somebody,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Being able to harvest it out of the air does seem big but is it enough to make anybody sick?

Yeah it seems similar to how everyone was wiping down Amazon boxes with bleach at the beginning cause they determined it could survive like 3 days on cardboard. Finding a live virus is not the same thing as identifying an actual infection risk.

true, but I think a few differences are we're all convinced it's at the very least in droplets (correct?) and have seen outbreaks indoors when people have allegedly been social distancing and you would take fairly similar precautions to mitigate spread from droplets or aerosol and there was zero evidence you would get it from cardboard.

https://slate.com/technology/2020/07/droplets-aerosols-coronavirus-covid-19.html

[Phil Titola]

So aerosols, thought the below snippet was interesting, but could have been few enough that it wasn't an infectious dose.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

The New York Times: ‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

Important read for people who think keeping kids six feet apart indoors at schools will prevent the spread

Still an important final question.


“I’m just not sure that these numbers are high enough to cause an infection in somebody,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Being able to harvest it out of the air does seem big but is it enough to make anybody sick?

Yeah it seems similar to how everyone was wiping down Amazon boxes with bleach at the beginning cause they determined it could survive like 3 days on cardboard. Finding a live virus is not the same thing as identifying an actual infection risk.

Based on stories of superspreading events it seems reasonable one of those superspreder people could be spreading it beyond the 6 feet, I just am not sure it's very common or we'd see a higher reproductive value and/or more people would be sick.  Maybe this is the cause of more asymptomic/mildly symptomatic people?  Like masks that they are thinking causes the wearer to suck less of this down their lungs and get less sick?

JB Handley says it's over in a couple weeks anyways, play ball!

[Phil Titola]

This guy may be a twitter doc quack but with the recent news of possible t-cell cross immune reaction, it gives support to the 20% herd immunity figure.

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1292873236716433416

[sonofdaxjones]

Congrats Cuomo and DeBlasio . . . you "defeated" the virus by killing thousands!

[michigancat]

So aerosols, thought the below snippet was interesting, but could have been few enough that it wasn't an infectious dose.

The room had six air changes per hour and was fitted with efficient filters, ultraviolet irradiation and other safety measures to inactivate the virus before the air was reintroduced into the room.

The New York Times: ‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/health/coronavirus-aerosols-indoors.html

Important read for people who think keeping kids six feet apart indoors at schools will prevent the spread

Still an important final question.


“I’m just not sure that these numbers are high enough to cause an infection in somebody,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York.


Being able to harvest it out of the air does seem big but is it enough to make anybody sick?

Yeah it seems similar to how everyone was wiping down Amazon boxes with bleach at the beginning cause they determined it could survive like 3 days on cardboard. Finding a live virus is not the same thing as identifying an actual infection risk.

Based on stories of superspreading events it seems reasonable one of those superspreder people could be spreading it beyond the 6 feet, I just am not sure it's very common or we'd see a higher reproductive value and/or more people would be sick.  Maybe this is the cause of more asymptomic/mildly symptomatic people?  Like masks that they are thinking causes the wearer to suck less of this down their lungs and get less sick?

JB Handley says it's over in a couple weeks anyways, play ball!

I also think that despite our carelessness we've eliminated a ton of potential superspreading scenarios

[Phil Titola]

speaking of, all this worry about the flu and a second wave coming this winter, shouldn't the precautions that seem we'll have in place the rest of 2020 take the knees out of the flu?

[sys]

This guy may be a twitter doc quack but with the recent news of possible t-cell cross immune reaction, it gives support to the 20% herd immunity figure.

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1292873236716433416

i thought we'd been over this, phil.

[sys]

speaking of, all this worry about the flu and a second wave coming this winter, shouldn't the precautions that seem we'll have in place the rest of 2020 take the knees out of the flu?

should, especially if school is cancelled by then.

[bucket]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-11/herd-immunity-from-covid-19-won-t-fully-protect-us?sref=2o0rZsF1&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-view&utm_content=view&utm_medium=social

This article addresses both the idea of a partial herd immunity resulting in lower deaths for now and how super spreaders can change over time leading to deaths rising in the same cities.

[michigancat]

I'm pretty sure Stockholm didn't have 20% infected in April

[Phil Titola]

This guy may be a twitter doc quack but with the recent news of possible t-cell cross immune reaction, it gives support to the 20% herd immunity figure.

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1292873236716433416

i thought we'd been over this, phil.

I'm not sure since the tcell thing is pretty recent development. I'm open to hearing other points of view on this thing.