CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[DaBigTrain]

you think covid deaths are over reported dax?

Well the whole thing is a hoax so yeah

[sonofdaxjones]

you think covid deaths are over reported dax?

Well the whole thing is a hoax so yeah

[steve dave]

you think covid deaths are over reported dax?

I don't know Steve, read those words and tell me what you think.

I'm sure there's a FearPorn article or two out there that attempts to say otherwise.

Interesting


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[sonofdaxjones]

you think covid deaths are over reported dax?

I don't know Steve, read those words and tell me what you think.

I'm sure there's a FearPorn article or two out there that attempts to say otherwise.

Interesting


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[Phil Titola]

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

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[MakeItRain]

Europe Man, not Florida

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/europe/france-philippe-monguillot-bus-driver-dies-coronavirus-intl/index.html

[KST8FAN]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/article244152992.html


Tom

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[sonofdaxjones]

Posted even though the resident ProgFascists will call me a racist.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

[IPA4Me]

potential good news/HVAC nerding out xpost...U of H researchers seem to think they've developed an air filter that can kill like 99.8% of the rona in one pass. Would be interested to see more of the science behind it, but seems promising. My guess is that the first step to safely returning to work is going to be having portable units like these (or any other technology that can be proven effective at killing rona) and just have these bad boys spaced every 400-500 square feet or so depending on how densely occupied the space is, so that it is just constantly cleaning the air.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/uh-researchers-develop-coronavirus-killing-air-filter/285-d0783dd4-d32e-4c82-9bd7-a5153cb1a9cc

https://www.carrier.com/commercial/en/us/products/airside/air-handlers/fn1aaf/

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[sys]

i hadn't looked at the models for a bit.  surprised that this (historically pretty good) model is saying infections are now matching spring numbers.

[michigancat]

MIT Technology Review: If the coronavirus is really airborne, we might be fighting it the wrong way.


https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/11/1005087/coronavirus-airborne-fighting-wrong-way/

That pretty much supports what I've been thinking: masks and sanitizing aren't gonna save us and reduce the amount of time in enclosed spaces as much as possible.

Interesting it didn't really mention mass transit, not sure how well ventilated trains and buses are.

[Phil Titola]

So how did we fix measles?

I still would like to see more info on how likely aerosol spread is. Seeing it in the air is one thing. Spread is totally another obviously.

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[I_have_purplewood]

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/09/2008868117?fbclid=IwAR2gH51pW-r87umDk_wF2Y9iUoRr0WJ8qG033qHGfl8yJcyuwnKqnxvYcSk

[IPA4Me]

All the more reason to use the NPBI technology in your home that I nerded out on earlier. The plasma stream/field attaches to the droplets forcing them to dropout as well as rendering the virus ineffective. We have them in all of our locations across four states. Technology is proven and it works.

The HEPA that I linked earlier will also clean the air in rooms with multiple air rotations per hour. Pricey solution but quite effective.

This is another portable solution: https://www.rchvacparts.com/dealers/products/details/indoor-air-quality-hepa-air-cleaners / https://www.rchvacparts.com/literature/originals/570-760-5-SeasonsFSP900-2-Lit.pdf

Maintenance will run you about $200 every 3 years. So not cheap to maintain but it works. I have the duct mounted version in my home along with NPBI in the supply duct.

[Spracne]

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/07/09/2008868117?fbclid=IwAR2gH51pW-r87umDk_wF2Y9iUoRr0WJ8qG033qHGfl8yJcyuwnKqnxvYcSk

link domain and user name check out.

[sonofdaxjones]

There's actually other diseases that are bad and doctors cant' figure out what they are, yet, life goes on, amazing isn't it?

Sadly, NBC never bothered to mention that this guy was never found to have been infected with SARS-COVID-19.

But he had a lot of people convinced that if you ride on an airplane the RONA is going to attack you through the eyes.

https://twitter.com/curefinder/status/1280555579702992896?s=20

[BIG APPLE CAT]

All the more reason to use the NPBI technology in your home that I nerded out on earlier. The plasma stream/field attaches to the droplets forcing them to dropout as well as rendering the virus ineffective. We have them in all of our locations across four states. Technology is proven and it works.

The HEPA that I linked earlier will also clean the air in rooms with multiple air rotations per hour. Pricey solution but quite effective.

This is another portable solution: https://www.rchvacparts.com/dealers/products/details/indoor-air-quality-hepa-air-cleaners / https://www.rchvacparts.com/literature/originals/570-760-5-SeasonsFSP900-2-Lit.pdf

Maintenance will run you about $200 every 3 years. So not cheap to maintain but it works. I have the duct mounted version in my home along with NPBI in the supply duct.

you can also get a portable HEPA filtered air circulating unit for about $250 from the home depot. Source: me. B/c we just replaced the carpet and mrs BAC was very sensitive to the smell of the new carpet so we went and got one. it also has a carbon filter which is really what we needed for the odor. For an extra $30 you can get a portable unit that ionizes the airstream, plus also has carbon, HEPA, and UV filters, but even with prime it was like 7 days and she was not going to tolerate 7 days of new carpet smell.

FTR i don't disagree with NPBI i was just pointing out this superheated filter they developed at UH seemed to have a higher efficacy from a 1 pass standpoint.

[IPA4Me]

All the more reason to use the NPBI technology in your home that I nerded out on earlier. The plasma stream/field attaches to the droplets forcing them to dropout as well as rendering the virus ineffective. We have them in all of our locations across four states. Technology is proven and it works.

The HEPA that I linked earlier will also clean the air in rooms with multiple air rotations per hour. Pricey solution but quite effective.

This is another portable solution: https://www.rchvacparts.com/dealers/products/details/indoor-air-quality-hepa-air-cleaners / https://www.rchvacparts.com/literature/originals/570-760-5-SeasonsFSP900-2-Lit.pdf

Maintenance will run you about $200 every 3 years. So not cheap to maintain but it works. I have the duct mounted version in my home along with NPBI in the supply duct.

you can also get a portable HEPA filtered air circulating unit for about $250 from the home depot. Source: me. B/c we just replaced the carpet and mrs BAC was very sensitive to the smell of the new carpet so we went and got one. it also has a carbon filter which is really what we needed for the odor. For an extra $30 you can get a portable unit that ionizes the airstream, plus also has carbon, HEPA, and UV filters, but even with prime it was like 7 days and she was not going to tolerate 7 days of new carpet smell.

FTR i don't disagree with NPBI i was just pointing out this superheated filter they developed at UH seemed to have a higher efficacy from a 1 pass standpoint.

How well do the cheap portables work? I know dentists in our area are using them to reopen. Adding npbi to the main system.

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[BIG APPLE CAT]

All the more reason to use the NPBI technology in your home that I nerded out on earlier. The plasma stream/field attaches to the droplets forcing them to dropout as well as rendering the virus ineffective. We have them in all of our locations across four states. Technology is proven and it works.

The HEPA that I linked earlier will also clean the air in rooms with multiple air rotations per hour. Pricey solution but quite effective.

This is another portable solution: https://www.rchvacparts.com/dealers/products/details/indoor-air-quality-hepa-air-cleaners / https://www.rchvacparts.com/literature/originals/570-760-5-SeasonsFSP900-2-Lit.pdf

Maintenance will run you about $200 every 3 years. So not cheap to maintain but it works. I have the duct mounted version in my home along with NPBI in the supply duct.

you can also get a portable HEPA filtered air circulating unit for about $250 from the home depot. Source: me. B/c we just replaced the carpet and mrs BAC was very sensitive to the smell of the new carpet so we went and got one. it also has a carbon filter which is really what we needed for the odor. For an extra $30 you can get a portable unit that ionizes the airstream, plus also has carbon, HEPA, and UV filters, but even with prime it was like 7 days and she was not going to tolerate 7 days of new carpet smell.

FTR i don't disagree with NPBI i was just pointing out this superheated filter they developed at UH seemed to have a higher efficacy from a 1 pass standpoint.

How well do the cheap portables work? I know dentists in our area are using them to reopen. Adding npbi to the main system.

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Honestly i've been pleasantly surprised...after about a day and a half - to me - it seemed like the new carpet smell was completely gone. my wife still claims she can smell it but she has a much more sensitive sense of smell than i do. I think that's mostly b/c of the carbon filter though. And having the HEPA is nice but i mean...at the end of the day we still live in a house. construction is loose...i can't even imagine what kind of crap is circulating through the house. Having a HEPA filter in a house is kind of like having a bottle of fiji water when you're in the middle of the desert.

[Phil Titola]

There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

[IPA4Me]

If the virus can linger in a space, why would you not try to remove it? Outside air (dilution), HEPA filtration, air purification.

Pandemic aside, why would you not use these products anyhow for a healthier home?

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[BIG APPLE CAT]

There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

i'm not sure if anyone in the industry is saying HEPA is the answer. I mean HEPA can capture particles as small as 0.3 microns and covid is ~0.12 microns. It will inevitably capture SOME covid, but i think everyone knew from the onset that mechanical filtration was not ever going to be a solution.

At best its a placebo

[Phil Titola]

If the virus can linger in a space, why would you not try to remove it? Outside air (dilution), HEPA filtration, air purification.

Pandemic aside, why would you not use these products anyhow for a healthier home?

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I mean sure. Cleaner air the better.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

If the virus can linger in a space, why would you not try to remove it? Outside air (dilution), HEPA filtration, air purification.

Pandemic aside, why would you not use these products anyhow for a healthier home?

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yes they are all great but they are also expensive in first cost, operating cost, and maintenance cost. all about finding a balance. if it was economical to do everything 100% outside air with no recirculation then it would be more common practice.

[8manpick]

There is zero way we can HEPA filter our way out of this. Seems like an HVAC moneygrab to be honest.

Agreed. Especially if there's a low cost alternative to reduce risk like opening a window when the need/efficacy is still unknown for upgrading or adding HVAC systems. Wonder if teachers will want their classroom's windows open or be like eff that I want climate control.

Simply opening a window or two isn’t going to be all that effective for indoor spaces either