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The 1918 Flu Pandemic Killed Millions. So Why Does Its Cultural Memory Feel So Faint?

https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/05/1918-pandemic-cultural-memory-literature-outka.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab


Interesting look at the 1918 flu pandemic and why it doesn't seem to resonate with any of us. It's something I've thought of myself, and just figured it is because basically anyone who can remember it is dead. I think attitudes to the current outbreak and measures to contain it would be a lot different if we all had grandpas and grandmas alive who lived thru 1918 or even just more people with second-hand recollection.

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It was sandwiched between the two biggest wars the planet had ever seen.

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I mean OTHER than that chingon

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Also, 1918 wasn’t a political exercise.
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Prohibition and the Great Depression too
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Prohibition and the Great Depression too
And the Russian Revolution, if we're just going to throw out every major event from around then.

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Prohibition and the Great Depression too
And the Russian Revolution, if we're just going to throw out every major event from around then.

Don't forget the Blacksox Scandal of 1919.
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 OK, then.
If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.

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"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"

https://blockstream.info/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f

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I’m shocked

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1259103329902309376
I'm honestly a little surprised that many people caught it outside

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I’m shocked

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1259103329902309376
I'm honestly a little surprised that many people caught it outside

Especially since dax told us that only a few dozen people are attending these
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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I’m shocked

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1259103329902309376
I'm honestly a little surprised that many people caught it outside

It's also quite possible then the Venn diagram of people who attended the rally and people who engage in the most at-risk behaviors overlaps substantially.
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I'm honestly a little surprised that many people caught it outside

if you open the article, you find that the headline is very misleading (but, imo shouting in close quarters may trump being outside).
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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I'm honestly a little surprised that many people caught it outside

if you open the article, you find that the headline is very misleading (but, imo shouting in close quarters may trump being outside).
True and true. Pretty hard to pinpoint exact location of transmission given how many cases there are now. Also there's a good chance that this group engages in more activities that increase the risk of transmission than most people.

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Also, 1918 wasn’t a political exercise.

i found this to be somewhat interesting

In addition, the pandemic exploded in the midst of war frenzy and heightened nationalistic hatreds. In the United States the great influx of immigrant workers, who had fled Europe immediately before and during the war, and the upsurge of racial and class tension added further to the socio-economic toxic mix. In 1917 one of the worst race riots in U.S. history erupted in East St. Louis and lasted to 1919.44 In February that year, a general strike was called in Seattle, and in the autumn the famous Boston police strike sparked class hatred and collective violence, with Harvard athletes and Brahmin businessmen forming the ranks of strike breakers.45 In 1921 whites destroyed an entire black town adjacent to Tulsa (Greenwood), burning nearly 4,000 houses and killing as many as 400 blacks, women and children included – a horrific event of U.S. history that until recently remained hidden from official histories.46 From 1918 to 1920 terrorist bombings, cries against Bolsheviks, and a hysterical red scare spread across America. Yet, this general milieu of hate failed to influence influenza. Despite its rapid contagion, high mortalities and unusual lethalities, this pandemic, as Alfred Crosby has shown for San Francisco and Philadelphia, brought communities together. With public services in Philadelphia near collapse and unburied bodies of flu victims left in heaps, elite volunteers entered the city’s ghettoes and opened kitchens to feed the poor; cab drivers mobilized 2,000 cars to serve as hospital ambulances; organizations cut across accustomed denominational boundaries, with Catholic nuns working in Jewish hospitals;and ‘people of all kinds poured into Emergency Aid Headquarters’to volunteer as nurses, ‘thrusting themselves into the presence of lethal disease’.47 This self-sacrificing volunteerism materialized, moreover, in the absence of institutional structures and despite deep schisms then splintering this and other wartime societies at home.

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"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Also, 1918 wasn’t a political exercise.

i found this to be somewhat interesting

In addition, the pandemic exploded in the midst of war frenzy and heightened nationalistic hatreds. In the United States the great influx of immigrant workers, who had fled Europe immediately before and during the war, and the upsurge of racial and class tension added further to the socio-economic toxic mix. In 1917 one of the worst race riots in U.S. history erupted in East St. Louis and lasted to 1919.44 In February that year, a general strike was called in Seattle, and in the autumn the famous Boston police strike sparked class hatred and collective violence, with Harvard athletes and Brahmin businessmen forming the ranks of strike breakers.45 In 1921 whites destroyed an entire black town adjacent to Tulsa (Greenwood), burning nearly 4,000 houses and killing as many as 400 blacks, women and children included – a horrific event of U.S. history that until recently remained hidden from official histories.46 From 1918 to 1920 terrorist bombings, cries against Bolsheviks, and a hysterical red scare spread across America. Yet, this general milieu of hate failed to influence influenza. Despite its rapid contagion, high mortalities and unusual lethalities, this pandemic, as Alfred Crosby has shown for San Francisco and Philadelphia, brought communities together. With public services in Philadelphia near collapse and unburied bodies of flu victims left in heaps, elite volunteers entered the city’s ghettoes and opened kitchens to feed the poor; cab drivers mobilized 2,000 cars to serve as hospital ambulances; organizations cut across accustomed denominational boundaries, with Catholic nuns working in Jewish hospitals;and ‘people of all kinds poured into Emergency Aid Headquarters’to volunteer as nurses, ‘thrusting themselves into the presence of lethal disease’.47 This self-sacrificing volunteerism materialized, moreover, in the absence of institutional structures and despite deep schisms then splintering this and other wartime societies at home.

Feels like we’ve really regressed as a nation/society after reading that.

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couple, three really good threads on network effects on herd immunity.

https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1258827506930667523

https://twitter.com/joel_c_miller/status/1259107380677054464

https://twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1259248274625761282

That was a lot of smart people talk that I really didn't get. I think it was intentionally misleading.
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I’m shocked

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1259103329902309376
I'm honestly a little surprised that many people caught it outside

Especially since dax told us that only a few dozen people are attending these

Man, look at that crowd, why it's at least .000057% of the population of that state.



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if you opened the threads, i think you probably got it.  heterogeneity in networks leads to a lower theoretical herd immunity than the classical forumula.

and then lots of caveats and buts.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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The nightmare scenario for me is shitloads of white trash July 4-ish fireworks while there’s still a ban on leisure travel to Canada.

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"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Hold up, guise!!  We may need to start this whole thread over...  Any interest in using real data?

https://twitter.com/littllemel/status/1259464001341153281
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wut?

I had no idea I was being instructed to stay 13 feet away from myself

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Posted without comment  . . .  which means I have no idea of the validity resident ADHD laden Useful Idiots

https://twitter.com/AbogadoAntonioV/status/1258913812327129089?s=20