CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[michigancat]

cRusty already said Sweden, Phil.

It's always like trying to get the kids gathered to board the short bus with you.

so only one country?  Not  countries like you said?

South Korea.

The problem you have, Phil.   Is that you'll completely fail to take into consideration a multitude of other factors when discussing their relative "success".    Tracing and testing aside (because there's simply no way their level of testing caught everyone now that we know so much more about this virus) they didn't lock everyone down on quarantine and they are extremely compliant on mask usage.   Herd immunity and extreme self containment of asymptomatic spread by using masks.

I mean, how much flattening the curve did we lose by having our "experts" tell us not to wear masks for several weeks?  Looks at notes:  Fauci, Brix et. al.

Which only hammers home why anyone who doesn't wear a mask in public right now, yet demands everything be opened back up needs to be shamed with extreme prejudice.   Now that we know the virus can stay with some symptomatic infectees for 50 plus days, I don't think it's a stretch to think that the the virus could stay with at some asymptomatic infectees for that long as well.   

South Korea has done shitloads relative to us especially when it comes to testing and contact tracing and mandatory isolation.

I think we are far too late for mass testing to help but there's still a lot to learn from how they responded.

People ordered into self-quarantine must download another app, which alerts officials if a patient ventures out of isolation. Fines for violations can reach $2,500.

By identifying and treating infections early, and segregating mild cases to special centers, South Korea has kept hospitals clear for the most serious patients. Its case fatality rate is just over one percent, among the lowest in the world.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-flatten-curve.html

We're actually testing at a higher rate than they ever did:



but they are running way more tests per positive case (because they had it under control early):



(agree @nicname that's a great site)

[sonofdaxjones]

Thanks for letting me know what I already know, cRusty

[sonofdaxjones]

But but strain doesn’t matter


?https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original?

[DaBigTrain]

Dax translation: Trump is the best president ever and he has handled this perfectly.

[puniraptor]

I was in Taiwan for a week in feb and they were very aggressive about mitigation. Questionnaire, interview and temp checks for all airport arrivals. Mandatory temp checkpoints and hand sanitizer at basically every tourist destination, hotel, large business, temple, or public gathering place. basically everyone wearing masks (voluntarily). An army of workers on the streets continuously cleaning and sanitizing public use things (handrails, elevator buttons, doorknobs, water fountains, vending machine buttons). I don't think i rode and escalator that didnt have a PPE'd up old lady at the top scrubbing the handrail with sanitizer. Also basically no travel from mainland china from day 1.

[Institutional Control]

We’re warriors, guys.


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257778264241844224?s=21


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[sys]

I was in Taiwan for a week in feb and they were very aggressive about mitigation. Questionnaire, interview and temp checks for all airport arrivals. Mandatory temp checkpoints and hand sanitizer at basically every tourist destination, hotel, large business, temple, or public gathering place. basically everyone wearing masks (voluntarily). An army of workers on the streets continuously cleaning and sanitizing public use things (handrails, elevator buttons, doorknobs, water fountains, vending machine buttons). I don't think i rode and escalator that didnt have a PPE'd up old lady at the top scrubbing the handrail with sanitizer. Also basically no travel from mainland china from day 1.

i'd be curious to hear your experience in japan, because while taiwan and s korea have done a great deal to combat the virus, japan is the real mystery country that reportedly hasn't done much of anything but also hasn't suffered much in the way of outbreaks.

[DaBigTrain]

We’re warriors, guys.


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1257778264241844224?s=21


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Says President bone spur.

[puniraptor]

I was in Taiwan for a week in feb and they were very aggressive about mitigation. Questionnaire, interview and temp checks for all airport arrivals. Mandatory temp checkpoints and hand sanitizer at basically every tourist destination, hotel, large business, temple, or public gathering place. basically everyone wearing masks (voluntarily). An army of workers on the streets continuously cleaning and sanitizing public use things (handrails, elevator buttons, doorknobs, water fountains, vending machine buttons). I don't think i rode and escalator that didnt have a PPE'd up old lady at the top scrubbing the handrail with sanitizer. Also basically no travel from mainland china from day 1.

i'd be curious to hear your experience in japan, because while taiwan and s korea have done a great deal to combat the virus, japan is the real mystery country that reportedly hasn't done much of anything but also hasn't suffered much in the way of outbreaks.

They seriously haven't done much of anything, it's a little bit of a mystery. It is basically impossible to get tested, even now. Hospitals turn away anyone who might be sick with it. The central government has basically no power to make anyone do anything.

They cancelled schools early on, and were fairly aggressive about limiting travel from hot spots.

Despite obvious sustained community spread, there aren't piles of sick and dying people everywhere, especially surprising considering this is the oldest population in the world.

The people are extremely disease and hygiene conscious even during normal times. Many of the people I work with starting practicing america-lockdown level "social distancing" voluntarily starting from back in January with the first whiffs of this.

Some japanese people think that eating natto has protected them. Natto is consistently sold out in grocery stores and there is a one package limit. Toilet paper is back to normal.

[sys]

it's pretty much gotta be the voluntary social distancing, being super clean and wearing masks.  enough to slow it to very slow growth.


there seem to be a lot of different ways to control spread.  i get that it's much more contagious than the flu, but on the other hand, it seems not all that hard to prevent infection either.

[DaBigTrain]

The thing is sys, you have a LARGE MAGA population that is anti-mask, anti-virus, anti-vax, etc. These are the people that will continue to spread this. They are the ones bitching about the economy opening up. Yet they are gonna be the reason we open up slower. It’s so rough ridin' stupid.

[michigancat]

Lol

About two dozen employees from Boston Consulting Group, Insight, McKinsey and other firms have volunteered their time

https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1257712925139181569

Of course

https://twitter.com/KannoYoungs/status/1257859031319937024

[sonofdaxjones]

rough ridin' volunteers weren't perfect!!   

[Phil Titola]

it's pretty much gotta be the voluntary social distancing, being super clean and wearing masks.  enough to slow it to very slow growth.


there seem to be a lot of different ways to control spread.  i get that it's much more contagious than the flu, but on the other hand, it seems not all that hard to prevent infection either.

Maybe I'm just a hopeless optimistic but I kinda keep going back to this thought too.  Now that we know how to control it and people are aware of what they should do, that alone seems to be a big step in staying on top of it.

[puniraptor]

also maybe we just got a sub-lethal dax-strain

[sonofdaxjones]

also maybe we just got a sub-lethal dax-strain

https://news.yahoo.com/mutant-coronavirus-emerged-even-more-110046843.html

[sys]

also maybe we just got a sub-lethal dax-strain

there's still basically no evidence for any differences in severity of symptoms.  this thread provides pretty good coverage of the recent paper that postulated a possible difference in transmissibility.

https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1257825352660877313

[sonofdaxjones]

The thing is sys, you have a LARGE MAGA population that is anti-mask, anti-virus, anti-vax, etc. These are the people that will continue to spread this. They are the ones bitching about the economy opening up. Yet they are gonna be the reason we open up slower. It’s so rough ridin' stupid.

The most hardcore anti-vaxer in the country is the most hardcore Useful Idiot Lib you can find, and he's backed by a legion of Useful Idiot Libs, including tons of so called progressives in Hollywood.;

[420seriouscat69]

it's pretty much gotta be the voluntary social distancing, being super clean and wearing masks.  enough to slow it to very slow growth.


there seem to be a lot of different ways to control spread.  i get that it's much more contagious than the flu, but on the other hand, it seems not all that hard to prevent infection either.

Not the answer SYS wants for Japan’s state of affairs, so he just says.... “NOPE!”

[420seriouscat69]

it's pretty much gotta be the voluntary social distancing, being super clean and wearing masks.  enough to slow it to very slow growth.


there seem to be a lot of different ways to control spread.  i get that it's much more contagious than the flu, but on the other hand, it seems not all that hard to prevent infection either.

Maybe I'm just a hopeless optimistic but I kinda keep going back to this thought too.  Now that we know how to control it and people are aware of what they should do, that alone seems to be a big step in staying on top of it.

[420seriouscat69]

@sys & @TBT, You two were on planes before/during/after this crisis started breaking out. Stop being dumbasses and acting like the spread is due to everyone else on this earth, but you, who doesn’t think your way. It’s dumb and irrelevant and useless. I never hear about Mexico or Canada’s numbers, so it makes sense Japan would be quiet or irrelevant during the spread, when China is the main focus in Asia. Have a good night.

[sys]

it's pretty much gotta be the voluntary social distancing, being super clean and wearing masks.  enough to slow it to very slow growth.


there seem to be a lot of different ways to control spread.  i get that it's much more contagious than the flu, but on the other hand, it seems not all that hard to prevent infection either.

Not the answer SYS wants for Japan’s state of affairs, so he just says.... “NOPE!”

what?  i just restated/agreed with what puni said and then added in my commentary below.

[sys]

@sys & @TBT, You two were on planes before/during/after this crisis started breaking out. Stop being dumbasses and acting like the spread is due to everyone else on this earth, but you.

i haven't done that.

my wife was tested, so we pretty well know neither of us has had it, but if we had chanced across it, we'd likely have infected more people in more places than most.  there was a week or so when i thought we had.

[420seriouscat69]

Asian culture has used masks for years, but have in no way been able to prevent social distancing for a long time. It’s a mass population greater than the U.S. and much of the planet, the only coherent thing I can think of about you and Japan’s numbers, are Asian countries using masks for years and that’s the reason why Japan is fine. But that makes zero sense, since you know...... China!

[puniraptor]

interestingly, even though the governments have no power to compel businesses to close, many, especially restaurants and bars, have closed voluntarily or gone to take out only.

they are relying on peer or societal pressure to help. They publish lists of high risk businesses that havent closed to publicly shame them.

also wacky wtf are you doing in here