CoronaBro Meltdown/SARS-Covid-19 Spitballing Thread

[sonofdaxjones]

What strain(s) hit Vietnam?

Do you think they just got an easy strain and didn't take effective action?

The greater strains have viral loads up to 236x the lessor strains.   The Euro Strain that hit the NE U.S. is at or near the upper end of the spectrum.

I know that doesn't fit your bullshit political narrative, but until those kinds of questions are answered then trying to make comparisons is idiocy.

Hopefully while you're reading this you're in the process of decoupling your company from production in mainland China.   The Taiwanese or the Canadians would appreciate the additional business.  Better yet, the United States. 

Let's see, major industrial regions of China:

Real Time Particulate up to 2.5 microns . . . stunner here:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Particulate up to 10 microns . . . stunner again:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Carbon Emissions . . . more stunners:   Highest in the world

if you read the article I linked you can see they definitely had cases that originated in Europe. I'm just interested in how they responded, which seems straightforward and effective. I don't think I'm the one trying to make a political narrative here.

They've identified as many as 30 plus strains cRusty . . . so just because they had cases  that originated in Europe doesn't mean much until additional questions are answered.

Again, which makes wholesale comparisons stupid, can things be learned, sure. 

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Well I'm not a governor (and I don't envy them), but I think caution is important, it's dangerous to tickle the dragon's trail. 

State governments and provide financial assistance as much as possible  (hopefully in concert with the federal government) to help those who are impacted the by the business disruptions, while trying to minimize the spread of infection.

I don't have the time or inclinations to make a detailed plan for you covering all scenarios, but I think GA is being reckless.

But that still has nothing to do with wacky making a false statement.

What false statement did I make? People who are impacted right now, I feel, want to get back to work. Especially those who help support families. I’m sure there are some out there that can relax in this climate living off the government, but I’m not one of them. I miss my job and nobody’s hiring in today’s climate. We’re averaging 5 million unemployment claims per week during this. It totally sucks!

T's & P's wacky.... You should've had your money sooner.  Hopefully you've gotten it handled by now.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254747293414305792

[Phil Titola]

No, we're not dead last in the metrics that you cited, but we used to be a leader of innovation. Now we're somewhere near the bottom.

Those are the metrics you cited. 

we're the #1 worst country in the world at handling this.

Out of curiosity, what metric are you basing this on?

Deaths, infections, testing 

I'm sorry that you took it literally, but I also don't think that you should so strongly defend not being dead last.

My bad. Please feel free to continue spouting off incorrect information based on statistics you've never read.

Since I said the worst, here is why I say that.  It's not tied to one number, it's an opinion based on a number of factors.  Among which:
* We had a head start knowing about this virus from other countries and thumbed our nose at it and LOLd at political rallies about it instead of getting prepared
* More details on "getting prepared" - we fumbled testing early which put us in a hole, we have no plan for attacking this at the country level even today especially around tracing, our medical professionals are rationing PPE like we're in a third world country.  I look at other countries and they seem to have all of these things way more under control.
* Our stats per capita are horrible.  Are we worst per capita in citizens dying?  cases?  Not yet.  This isn't over either.
* I have a high expectation for our country's response to disaster based on our history.  This is crap that we usually handle.

[Phil Titola]

What strain(s) hit Vietnam?

Do you think they just got an easy strain and didn't take effective action?

The greater strains have viral loads up to 236x the lessor strains.   The Euro Strain that hit the NE U.S. is at or near the upper end of the spectrum.

I know that doesn't fit your bullshit political narrative, but until those kinds of questions are answered then trying to make comparisons is idiocy.

Hopefully while you're reading this you're in the process of decoupling your company from production in mainland China.   The Taiwanese or the Canadians would appreciate the additional business.  Better yet, the United States. 

Let's see, major industrial regions of China:

Real Time Particulate up to 2.5 microns . . . stunner here:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Particulate up to 10 microns . . . stunner again:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Carbon Emissions . . . more stunners:   Highest in the world

if you read the article I linked you can see they definitely had cases that originated in Europe. I'm just interested in how they responded, which seems straightforward and effective. I don't think I'm the one trying to make a political narrative here.

They've identified as many as 30 plus strains cRusty . . . so just because they had cases  that originated in Europe doesn't mean much until additional questions are answered.

Again, which makes wholesale comparisons stupid, can things be learned, sure.

there is nothing political here, all levels of our government were caught with their pants down.  This isn't a Trump administration problem alone.  This has nothing to do with which "strain" we got.

[sonofdaxjones]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

[michigancat]

What strain(s) hit Vietnam?

Do you think they just got an easy strain and didn't take effective action?

The greater strains have viral loads up to 236x the lessor strains.   The Euro Strain that hit the NE U.S. is at or near the upper end of the spectrum.

I know that doesn't fit your bullshit political narrative, but until those kinds of questions are answered then trying to make comparisons is idiocy.

Hopefully while you're reading this you're in the process of decoupling your company from production in mainland China.   The Taiwanese or the Canadians would appreciate the additional business.  Better yet, the United States. 

Let's see, major industrial regions of China:

Real Time Particulate up to 2.5 microns . . . stunner here:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Particulate up to 10 microns . . . stunner again:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Carbon Emissions . . . more stunners:   Highest in the world

if you read the article I linked you can see they definitely had cases that originated in Europe. I'm just interested in how they responded, which seems straightforward and effective. I don't think I'm the one trying to make a political narrative here.

They've identified as many as 30 plus strains cRusty . . . so just because they had cases  that originated in Europe doesn't mean much until additional questions are answered.

Again, which makes wholesale comparisons stupid, can things be learned, sure. 

I don't think it's stupid to compare them to other countries in the region. If the "bad strains" didn't make it in, that's a success, right? Vietnam isn't some little isolated country with nothing going on. Not comparable to Singapore but pretty similar to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, etc.

Glad we agree that a lot can be learned from how Vietnam has handled things.

[sonofdaxjones]

What strain(s) hit Vietnam?

Do you think they just got an easy strain and didn't take effective action?

The greater strains have viral loads up to 236x the lessor strains.   The Euro Strain that hit the NE U.S. is at or near the upper end of the spectrum.

I know that doesn't fit your bullshit political narrative, but until those kinds of questions are answered then trying to make comparisons is idiocy.

Hopefully while you're reading this you're in the process of decoupling your company from production in mainland China.   The Taiwanese or the Canadians would appreciate the additional business.  Better yet, the United States. 

Let's see, major industrial regions of China:

Real Time Particulate up to 2.5 microns . . . stunner here:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Particulate up to 10 microns . . . stunner again:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Carbon Emissions . . . more stunners:   Highest in the world

if you read the article I linked you can see they definitely had cases that originated in Europe. I'm just interested in how they responded, which seems straightforward and effective. I don't think I'm the one trying to make a political narrative here.

They've identified as many as 30 plus strains cRusty . . . so just because they had cases  that originated in Europe doesn't mean much until additional questions are answered.

Again, which makes wholesale comparisons stupid, can things be learned, sure. 

I don't think it's stupid to compare them to other countries in the region. If the "bad strains" didn't make it in, that's a success, right? Vietnam isn't some little isolated country with nothing going on. Not comparable to Singapore but pretty similar to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, etc.

Glad we agree that a lot can be learned from how Vietnam has handled things.

Glad to see that per usual all you have is highly simplistic comparisons and you're choosing to use those to come to conclusions.

[Phil Titola]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

[bucket]

If you catch one strain will the antibodies protect from other strains?

[sonofdaxjones]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

The virulence of the virus.  In less then a month we went from one possibly two strains, to over 30 strains identified.

I was also wrong on the numbers, the more aggressive strains have a viral load 270 times that of lessor discovered strains.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What strain(s) hit Vietnam?

Do you think they just got an easy strain and didn't take effective action?

The greater strains have viral loads up to 236x the lessor strains.   The Euro Strain that hit the NE U.S. is at or near the upper end of the spectrum.

I know that doesn't fit your bullshit political narrative, but until those kinds of questions are answered then trying to make comparisons is idiocy.

Hopefully while you're reading this you're in the process of decoupling your company from production in mainland China.   The Taiwanese or the Canadians would appreciate the additional business.  Better yet, the United States. 

Let's see, major industrial regions of China:

Real Time Particulate up to 2.5 microns . . . stunner here:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Particulate up to 10 microns . . . stunner again:  Very Unhealthy

Real Time Carbon Emissions . . . more stunners:   Highest in the world

if you read the article I linked you can see they definitely had cases that originated in Europe. I'm just interested in how they responded, which seems straightforward and effective. I don't think I'm the one trying to make a political narrative here.

They've identified as many as 30 plus strains cRusty . . . so just because they had cases  that originated in Europe doesn't mean much until additional questions are answered.

Again, which makes wholesale comparisons stupid, can things be learned, sure.

I could see that mattering if he were comparing fatalities or total cases. I don't see what that has to do with the number of people getting tested, though. If anything, the US having a more dangerous viral strand makes our lack of testing compared with Vietnam even worse.

[DQ12]

Since I said the worst, here is why I say that.  It's not tied to one number, it's an opinion based on a number of factors.  Among which:
* We had a head start knowing about this virus from other countries and thumbed our nose at it and LOLd at political rallies about it instead of getting prepared
* More details on "getting prepared" - we fumbled testing early which put us in a hole, we have no plan for attacking this at the country level even today especially around tracing, our medical professionals are rationing PPE like we're in a third world country.  I look at other countries and they seem to have all of these things way more under control.
* Our stats per capita are horrible.  Are we worst per capita in citizens dying?  cases?  Not yet.  This isn't over either.
* I have a high expectation for our country's response to disaster based on our history.  This is crap that we usually handle.

OK -- fair enough. So long as we agree that "worst in the world" is just your opinion and not based on any hard data.  Numbers-wise, we're pretty middle of the pack relative to other G8 countries with respect to per capita deaths and testing.

[star seed 7]

Still scared smdh lol

https://twitter.com/BeschlossDC/status/1254786369462796288

[Bqqkie Pimp]

If you catch one strain will the antibodies protect from other strains?

Apparently the "doctors" and media driving the bus you're on don't think the antibodies will protect you, no.  Thus, a huge "second wave" of fear mongering is right around the corner.

BUT.... They will protect others if they can get them from those who were infected in order  to make a vaccine from.

This is how stupid they think you all are.

 

[Phil Titola]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

The virulence of the virus.  In less then a month we went from one possibly two strains, to over 30 strains identified.

I was also wrong on the numbers, the more aggressive strains have a viral load 270 times that of lessor discovered strains.

the statement doesn't say anything with that definition.

[sonofdaxjones]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

The virulence of the virus.  In less then a month we went from one possibly two strains, to over 30 strains identified.

I was also wrong on the numbers, the more aggressive strains have a viral load 270 times that of lessor discovered strains.

the statement doesn't say anything with that definition.

Oh Phil, just admit that you don't want to take this on.

FFS, sad

[chum1]

the United States recorded an estimated 15,400 excess deaths
...
during March and through April 4, a time when 8,128 coronavirus deaths were reported.

https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1254792999080349697

[Phil Titola]

Since I said the worst, here is why I say that.  It's not tied to one number, it's an opinion based on a number of factors.  Among which:
* We had a head start knowing about this virus from other countries and thumbed our nose at it and LOLd at political rallies about it instead of getting prepared
* More details on "getting prepared" - we fumbled testing early which put us in a hole, we have no plan for attacking this at the country level even today especially around tracing, our medical professionals are rationing PPE like we're in a third world country.  I look at other countries and they seem to have all of these things way more under control.
* Our stats per capita are horrible.  Are we worst per capita in citizens dying?  cases?  Not yet.  This isn't over either.
* I have a high expectation for our country's response to disaster based on our history.  This is crap that we usually handle.

OK -- fair enough. So long as we agree that "worst in the world" is just your opinion and not based on any hard data.  Numbers-wise, we're pretty middle of the pack relative to other G8 countries with respect to per capita deaths and testing.

Even using "hard data" nobody is going to agree that one data piece makes it the one definition of worst.  We've mishandled this entire situation and I expect more out of the United States and maybe I just need to lower my expectations.  The story has not been written about this yet but as of now, we are by far handling this the worst of any country from a leadership/operational perspective.  Just complete failure.  I can't even point to one thing I think we're improving at doing.

[Phil Titola]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

The virulence of the virus.  In less then a month we went from one possibly two strains, to over 30 strains identified.

I was also wrong on the numbers, the more aggressive strains have a viral load 270 times that of lessor discovered strains.

the statement doesn't say anything with that definition.

Oh Phil, just admit that you don't want to take this on.

FFS, sad

I'm still trying to define what your point is with this "we got the Europe strain".  You haven't made a statement about what you are trying to say.  So is this where we define you tapping out?

[sonofdaxjones]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

The virulence of the virus.  In less then a month we went from one possibly two strains, to over 30 strains identified.

I was also wrong on the numbers, the more aggressive strains have a viral load 270 times that of lessor discovered strains.

the statement doesn't say anything with that definition.

Oh Phil, just admit that you don't want to take this on.

FFS, sad

I'm still trying to define what your point is with this "we got the Europe strain".  You haven't made a statement about what you are trying to say.  So is this where we define you tapping out?

You mean you can't bring your own statements full circle?

Look, Vietnam is in all matter of speaking a police surveillance state.   If you want the United States to be like Vietnam, then knock yourself out . . . commie. 

If you want to continue to make comparisons, at least make the comparisons while drilling deeper into the facts.   "IT' is the virus, some strains as I've said repeatedly are 270x more viral laden than lessor strains.   

So if Police State Vietnam is your model, then what strain(s) hit Vietnam?   I know it really pisses some Useful Idiots off to ask that question while they pile on with their political hack bullshit.

[catastrophe]

If you catch one strain will the antibodies protect from other strains?

Apparently the "doctors" and media driving the bus you're on don't think the antibodies will protect you, no.  Thus, a huge "second wave" of fear mongering is right around the corner.

BUT.... They will protect others if they can get them from those who were infected in order  to make a vaccine from.

This is how stupid they think you all are.

 

I believe the current thinking is antibodies may give you some protection from other strains and even other corona viruses, but it’s probably not a super lasting immunity for any of it. Hopefully it would still decrease severity regardless if you caught it again.

[DQ12]

Since I said the worst, here is why I say that.  It's not tied to one number, it's an opinion based on a number of factors.  Among which:
* We had a head start knowing about this virus from other countries and thumbed our nose at it and LOLd at political rallies about it instead of getting prepared
* More details on "getting prepared" - we fumbled testing early which put us in a hole, we have no plan for attacking this at the country level even today especially around tracing, our medical professionals are rationing PPE like we're in a third world country.  I look at other countries and they seem to have all of these things way more under control.
* Our stats per capita are horrible.  Are we worst per capita in citizens dying?  cases?  Not yet.  This isn't over either.
* I have a high expectation for our country's response to disaster based on our history.  This is crap that we usually handle.

OK -- fair enough. So long as we agree that "worst in the world" is just your opinion and not based on any hard data.  Numbers-wise, we're pretty middle of the pack relative to other G8 countries with respect to per capita deaths and testing.

Even using "hard data" nobody is going to agree that one data piece makes it the one definition of worst.  We've mishandled this entire situation and I expect more out of the United States and maybe I just need to lower my expectations.  The story has not been written about this yet but as of now, we are by far handling this the worst of any country from a leadership/operational perspective.  Just complete failure.  I can't even point to one thing I think we're improving at doing.

Again, I agree the situation has been mishandled.  All I'm saying is that if you're trying to make a value judgment by saying "we're the worst," that statement is not backed up by any data.  Like, what on earth do you know about France's or the UK's or Spain's operational/leadership plan (all three countries who are doing considerably worse [between 2-3x worse] than the US from a per capita deaths tally) that gives you enough confidence to say that the US is "by far" the worst? 

There are valid criticisms to be made, IMO, but when people fly off the rails and make claims that are either contradicted or not supported by the data, it makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Phil Titola]

Phil, you keep regurgitating the same line over and over, and yes, it very much as much to do with the strains that we got in the United States.

define "it" in this statement.

The virulence of the virus.  In less then a month we went from one possibly two strains, to over 30 strains identified.

I was also wrong on the numbers, the more aggressive strains have a viral load 270 times that of lessor discovered strains.

the statement doesn't say anything with that definition.

Oh Phil, just admit that you don't want to take this on.

FFS, sad

I'm still trying to define what your point is with this "we got the Europe strain".  You haven't made a statement about what you are trying to say.  So is this where we define you tapping out?

You mean you can't bring your own statements full circle?

Look, Vietnam is in all matter of speaking a police surveillance state.   If you want the United States to be like Vietnam, then knock yourself out . . . commie. 

If you want to continue to make comparisons, at least make the comparisons while drilling deeper into the facts.   "IT' is the virus, some strains as I've said repeatedly are 270x more viral laden than lessor strains.   

So if Police State Vietnam is your model, then what strain(s) hit Vietnam?   I know it really pisses some Useful Idiots off to ask that question while they pile on with their political hack bullshit.

So here is your problem.  You either willingly (just being a troll) and accidentally (old) accumulate everybody you don't agree with into one "opinion" both on here and in the world I assume.  I've posted the word Vietnam one time on gE.  It's here when I was traveling there: https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12998.msg1866751#msg1866751 .  So tell me more about brining my own comments full circle.

You know what though, let's say I did comment that Vietnam is knocking out the virus better than we are.  Data would show us that's true.  I have no desire for us to turn into a Vietnam police state that they are.  None.  So if that's the case, why would I even post that comment (I didn't).  I'll hypothesize I would have commented that (I didn't) due to them being super shitty and poor and we're supposed to be the world superpower than can handle disasters, even if we wouldn't have used the same practices as Vietnam did with their police state.  Would the strain we got vs what they got impact the ability to handle the spread?  I really don't know because how they handled it I have no desire in us implementing and we've handled it so poorly, I don't think the particular strain has any impact on how bad it's been in America.  As we can see every strain has spread throughout the US.

Glad I could help you figure out why you get so confused and lost in these discussions.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

If you catch one strain will the antibodies protect from other strains?

Apparently the "doctors" and media driving the bus you're on don't think the antibodies will protect you, no.  Thus, a huge "second wave" of fear mongering is right around the corner.

BUT.... They will protect others if they can get them from those who were infected in order  to make a vaccine from.

This is how stupid they think you all are.

 

I believe the current thinking is antibodies may give you some protection from other strains and even other corona viruses, but it’s probably not a super lasting immunity for any of it. Hopefully it would still decrease severity regardless if you caught it again.

I hate to piss in your punch bowl, but....  It's all a shell game.

[Phil Titola]

Since I said the worst, here is why I say that.  It's not tied to one number, it's an opinion based on a number of factors.  Among which:
* We had a head start knowing about this virus from other countries and thumbed our nose at it and LOLd at political rallies about it instead of getting prepared
* More details on "getting prepared" - we fumbled testing early which put us in a hole, we have no plan for attacking this at the country level even today especially around tracing, our medical professionals are rationing PPE like we're in a third world country.  I look at other countries and they seem to have all of these things way more under control.
* Our stats per capita are horrible.  Are we worst per capita in citizens dying?  cases?  Not yet.  This isn't over either.
* I have a high expectation for our country's response to disaster based on our history.  This is crap that we usually handle.

OK -- fair enough. So long as we agree that "worst in the world" is just your opinion and not based on any hard data.  Numbers-wise, we're pretty middle of the pack relative to other G8 countries with respect to per capita deaths and testing.

Even using "hard data" nobody is going to agree that one data piece makes it the one definition of worst.  We've mishandled this entire situation and I expect more out of the United States and maybe I just need to lower my expectations.  The story has not been written about this yet but as of now, we are by far handling this the worst of any country from a leadership/operational perspective.  Just complete failure.  I can't even point to one thing I think we're improving at doing.

Again, I agree the situation has been mishandled.  All I'm saying is that if you're trying to make a value judgment by saying "we're the worst," that statement is not backed up by any data.  Like, what on earth do you know about France's or the UK's or Spain's operational/leadership plan (all three countries who are doing considerably worse [between 2-3x worse] than the US from a per capita deaths tally) that gives you enough confidence to say that the US is "by far" the worst? 

There are valid criticisms to be made, IMO, but when people fly off the rails and make claims that are either contradicted or not supported by the data, it makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about.

It's gE, not a doctoral dissertation.  I do appreciate being held to a higher standard than Trump's daily briefings though.