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Quote from: Phil Titola on April 22, 2020, 12:57:19 PMDid the Imperial model scare us off and Sweden is going to come out on top of this whole thing?https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.htmlTheir per capita testing is below USA as wellhttps://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-dataI mean our deaths per capita are 3x lower than theirs so with our healthcare system, probably not.What strain is the dominate strain in Sweden?
Did the Imperial model scare us off and Sweden is going to come out on top of this whole thing?https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.htmlTheir per capita testing is below USA as wellhttps://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-dataI mean our deaths per capita are 3x lower than theirs so with our healthcare system, probably not.
Someone want to summarize the swede numbers while I am on this zoom call?
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on April 22, 2020, 01:57:12 PMSomeone want to summarize the swede numbers while I am on this zoom call?18 deaths per million vs. our 7.69 per thousand tested vs. our 1111.5% CFR vs. our 5.5%but thinking they are at heard immunity "within weeks"
Herd immunity within weeks sounds pretty appealing right now.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on April 22, 2020, 02:14:36 PMHerd immunity within weeks sounds pretty appealing right now.yeah that was the grabbing portion of it. Worth the deaths/healthcare impact?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning. They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.
Yeah, I think Sweden's "doing nothing" is probably significantly different than what "doing nothing" would look like here. They are still doing less than anyone else is, though.
Sweden has been distancing. It's just not mandatory. Like some US states.
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on April 22, 2020, 02:25:18 PMYeah, I think Sweden's "doing nothing" is probably significantly different than what "doing nothing" would look like here. They are still doing less than anyone else is, though.They also have more deaths than their neighbors.
Sounds good.https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1252677609810468865
Quote from: Phil Titola on April 22, 2020, 02:04:15 PMQuote from: Dugout DickStone on April 22, 2020, 01:57:12 PMSomeone want to summarize the swede numbers while I am on this zoom call?18 deaths per million vs. our 7.69 per thousand tested vs. our 1111.5% CFR vs. our 5.5%but thinking they are at heard immunity "within weeks"That's the key. Extreme shutdown orders likely help to "flatten the curve," but they also likely prolong the curve. I think Sweden's approach will likely be vindicated. Here's an interesting interview with a key architect of their approach explaining why.https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/Also, here's in interesting, simple statistical analysis comparing the states and countries that imposed shutdowns to those that simply recommended less draconian social distancing measures.https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/there-is-no-empirical-evidence-for-these-lockdowns/
Sweden didn’t go into lockdown or impose strict social-distancing policies. Instead, it rolled out voluntary, ‘trust-based’ measures: it advised older people to avoid social contact and recommended that people work from home, wash their hands regularly and avoid non-essential travel. But borders and schools for under-16s remain open — as do many businesses, including restaurants and bars.
