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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3800 on: April 10, 2020, 04:40:17 PM »
This sounds promising or for some, enraging. 



https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1248424461163872260?s=20


https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ABSTRACT-v-2-GB.pdf

Far be it from me to piss in anyone's cheerios, but the physicians in charge of that "study" didn't include a control group of patients who didn't receive the HCQ-AZ treatment and track their outcomes. You might as well throw all that data in the garbage because if you don't perform the proper control experiments, you can't draw any conclusions as to how significant the data is.

Trey, thanks for the Captain Obvious talking point.

Then why didn't you point it out? Or, due to poor experimental design, were you also in the category of people who found it "enraging"?

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3802 on: April 10, 2020, 05:02:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/sangerkatz/status/1248685404775239680

I don't think they're exaggerated, but some countries they are using the underlying condition as cause of death if a substantial underlying condition exists.

The U.S. is attributing anyone infected as death by Covid-19 infection.    But there's also an under reporting component in way early cases.




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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3803 on: April 10, 2020, 05:03:17 PM »
have not kept up but fox news fox news'iest people are carrying your torch michigancat

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1248672898472194052

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3804 on: April 10, 2020, 06:41:25 PM »
have not kept up but fox news fox news'iest people are carrying your torch michigancat

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/1248672898472194052
steve dave, I do not think we have herd immunity out here. But it would be pretty cool if we did!

Also

https://twitter.com/lydiadepillis/status/1248718282317877249?s=19

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3805 on: April 10, 2020, 06:43:26 PM »

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3807 on: April 10, 2020, 06:51:09 PM »
Herd herd herd, herd is the word.
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3808 on: April 10, 2020, 06:51:49 PM »
This sounds promising or for some, enraging. 



https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1248424461163872260?s=20


https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ABSTRACT-v-2-GB.pdf

Far be it from me to piss in anyone's cheerios, but the physicians in charge of that "study" didn't include a control group of patients who didn't receive the HCQ-AZ treatment and track their outcomes. You might as well throw all that data in the garbage because if you don't perform the proper control experiments, you can't draw any conclusions as to how significant the data is.

Trey, thanks for the Captain Obvious talking point.

Then why didn't you point it out? Or, due to poor experimental design, were you also in the category of people who found it "enraging"?
If true, the study would still be important to show no significant health risks to the treatment (obviously depending on how they selected their subjects).

Also you can compare the death rate vs average for COVID-19 or even average for the local area. Won’t accurately tell you the efficacy but it will indicate whether it’s making a difference at all.

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Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3809 on: April 10, 2020, 07:11:31 PM »
Herd ya go


https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/


Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3810 on: April 10, 2020, 07:26:35 PM »
Oh dax... :frown:

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3811 on: April 10, 2020, 08:02:20 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/10/magazine/coronavirus-economy-debate.html

I thought this was an interesting discussion weighing the benefits of opening up the economy against the increase in deaths we will see when we do.

Quote from: Peter Singer
When people look at the number of deaths from coronavirus and they say, You know, this is comparable to the Vietnam War, well, the Vietnam War killed mostly younger people. This is killing mostly older people. I think that’s really relevant. I think we want to take into account the number of life years lost — not just the number of lives lost.

I would agree that life years lost is something we should take into account.

Quote from: Zeke Emanuel
I am a big believer in using life-years saved, rather than just number of deaths avoided, as the goal, especially when you’re forced to choose between two people and you have only one ventilator. In talking to lots to audiences, I’ve presented them with a choice not about the coronavirus, but about who gets a liver transplant. The scenario is: I have one liver and three people; one’s older, one’s a young adult, one’s a young child. Who gets it? Often, no one in the audience will give it to the old person. Or maybe one out of 100. I’ve presented this in the United States, China and scores of other countries. The responses are always the same — most people say the young adult gets the liver, and a smaller number opt for the young child.

I think I would opt for giving the liver to the young child, but am not 100% sure.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3812 on: April 10, 2020, 08:12:04 PM »
https://digg.com/2020/cnbc-anchors-interview-with-venture-capital-ceo-takes-an-unexpected-turn

definitely an interesting take. I'm not convinced he's right but I'd sure like to see something more in-depth from him.

he's not right.  see the duy post i linked this morning.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3815 on: April 10, 2020, 09:36:34 PM »
https://digg.com/2020/cnbc-anchors-interview-with-venture-capital-ceo-takes-an-unexpected-turn

definitely an interesting take. I'm not convinced he's right but I'd sure like to see something more in-depth from him.

he's not right.  see the duy post i linked this morning.
I'd still like more detail, there wasn't a ton of time for him to expand on his ideas.

Slightly related...i can't remember if I linked to it but there was an interesting tweet about how maintaining payroll isn't as effective as UBI because the economy won't be the same on the bounce. Like a lot of business (and industries) will likely stay smaller and probably should be smaller.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3816 on: April 10, 2020, 09:38:38 PM »
Here it is. Bernie Bro Chris Hayes retweeted it

https://twitter.com/arindube/status/1248713737864912901

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3817 on: April 10, 2020, 09:48:06 PM »
Slightly related...i can't remember if I linked to it but there was an interesting tweet about how maintaining payroll isn't as effective as UBI because the economy won't be the same on the bounce. Like a lot of business (and industries) will likely stay smaller and probably should be smaller.

yeah, there's a genuine argument to be made that having companies keep everyone on payroll prevents the creative destruction held up as one of the cardinal virtues of american capitalism and renders the economy less efficient.

i'm far more persuaded by argument that this is already an enormously disruptive one-off event and our priority should be holding things together as best we can.  the economy can, and no doubt would, rationalize afterwards at a slower and less socially disruptive pace.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3818 on: April 10, 2020, 09:56:09 PM »
This sounds promising or for some, enraging. 



https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1248424461163872260?s=20


https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ABSTRACT-v-2-GB.pdf

Far be it from me to piss in anyone's cheerios, but the physicians in charge of that "study" didn't include a control group of patients who didn't receive the HCQ-AZ treatment and track their outcomes. You might as well throw all that data in the garbage because if you don't perform the proper control experiments, you can't draw any conclusions as to how significant the data is.

Trey, thanks for the Captain Obvious talking point.

Then why didn't you point it out? Or, due to poor experimental design, were you also in the category of people who found it "enraging"?
If true, the study would still be important to show no significant health risks to the treatment (obviously depending on how they selected their subjects).

Also you can compare the death rate vs average for COVID-19 or even average for the local area. Won’t accurately tell you the efficacy but it will indicate whether it’s making a difference at all.

You would need to look at the outcomes of patients that only fit within the criteria that you selected for with the treatment group, but even then these two groups are offset by time, which means that there's a high probability that the quality of care for each group is significantly different AND also, the virus might have mutated over time from the non-treatment group to the treatment group. There's just too many variables to reasonably draw any conclusions.
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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3819 on: April 10, 2020, 10:02:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248698754556923904

there's a specific vein in my neck that start bulge whenever someone wonders why an antibiotic isn't effective against a virus

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« Reply #3820 on: April 10, 2020, 10:07:28 PM »
there's a specific vein in my neck that start bulge whenever someone wonders why an antibiotic isn't effective against a virus

it's hard to tell, but it sounded to me more like he just offramped for no reason into a factoid he remembered about antibiotic resistance in the middle of his covid 19 briefing.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3821 on: April 10, 2020, 10:10:10 PM »
there's a specific vein in my neck that start bulge whenever someone wonders why an antibiotic isn't effective against a virus

it's hard to tell, but it sounded to me more like he just offramped for no reason into a factoid he remembered about antibiotic resistance in the middle of his covid 19 briefing.

sys, that description was super good.

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #3822 on: April 10, 2020, 10:12:34 PM »
also, trey, nice full circle from one of the OG hoops/recruiting posters to viral chemist science guy. incredible range and you should be proud.

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« Reply #3823 on: April 10, 2020, 10:25:55 PM »
Oh dax... :frown:

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« Reply #3824 on: April 10, 2020, 10:26:45 PM »
Slightly related...i can't remember if I linked to it but there was an interesting tweet about how maintaining payroll isn't as effective as UBI because the economy won't be the same on the bounce. Like a lot of business (and industries) will likely stay smaller and probably should be smaller.

yeah, there's a genuine argument to be made that having companies keep everyone on payroll prevents the creative destruction held up as one of the cardinal virtues of american capitalism and renders the economy less efficient.

i'm far more persuaded by argument that this is already an enormously disruptive one-off event and our priority should be holding things together as best we can.  the economy can, and no doubt would, rationalize afterwards at a slower and less socially disruptive pace.
At the very least, I think we can all agree we aren't doing enough