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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #4625 on: April 18, 2020, 10:08:27 PM »
these are the new trump voter's spouse is deported.

https://twitter.com/ag_due/status/1243364258395480066

I've seen a few more of these stories over the past couple weeks. One including a pastor from North Carolina, another from Louisiana.

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1251617546454863873

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Re: Thanks China (and Canada) . . . Topic: CoronaVirus!
« Reply #4626 on: April 18, 2020, 10:51:55 PM »
New Orleans is like 60-65% African American and that’s one of the main epicenters for it.

I'm not picking on you, fanman, but this is the second time this has come up and it's been dismissed by essentially "well duh, lots of black people live there." Even if this is just dumb luck of hitting metro areas where there are higher African American populations, we need to study why specifically these areas are being hit disproportionately higher. New York, Detroit, and New Orleans aren't close to each other, at all. If this is purely geographical, then we need to look at what policies have caused this, if by God it's tied to genetic predisposition, that would be great to know as well. I have no illusions that the curiosity about these rates goes to a level where anything meaningful and actionable will be done.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-black-americans-race/index.html

Thanks for this and to everyone else, contributing to the topic.

Interesting anecdotal update from my neck of the woods.  We've been under a city-wide requirement that everyone wear masks when visiting essential businesses (effective today).  The Mrs. just got back from the store and said everyone there was wearing a mask except for a couple groups of black families.

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Have you all discussed Sweden here yet? They are trying to beat coronavirus without a lockdown and it isn't working. Their death rate is way larger than their Scandinavian counterparts. Their death rate is even higher than ours. 1 out of 740 Swedes have died (13,822 deaths, population of 10,230,000) while 1 out of every 8400 Americans have died (38,928 deaths, population of 280,200,000). Sweden and New York State has nearly twice as many citizens as Sweden, yet Sweden has twice as almost the same number of deaths.

This is magnified if you consider the much higher rate of obesity, underlying health issues, and poverty that Americans have.

We haven't really. I think you may have mixed up your number of deceased in Sweden with their total cases.

Sounds like right now they're doing okay-ish, maybe that's going to take a sharp change in the next couple weeks. I haven't read anything so far that it's out of control there yet, but they're obviously doing worse than their Nordic neighbors.

Yeah, all my numbers are mumped up. I did them several times too, kept saying to myself they didn't look right.

Anyway, mocat math not withstanding, the point still applies
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1250789869846253568?s=19

Last I read they were doing ok. Can’t remember when their outbreak started, but I thought I saw it’s been there longer than many parts of the US so that comparison wasn’t totally fair.

They are social distancing, though. Just not government mandated.

Their outbreak hasn't been longer than ours.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

I think we're both a bit wrong on the government role. They have placed restrictions, groups smaller than 50, I watched an NBC News piece on Sweden and how the citizens haven't changed their lifestyle. It's what caused me to look into the actual numbers since the story focused on the Swedish attitudes about coronavirus.

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I think we're both a bit wrong on the government role. They have placed restrictions, groups smaller than 50, I watched an NBC News piece on Sweden and how the citizens haven't changed their lifestyle. It's what caused me to look into the actual numbers since the story focused on the Swedish attitudes about coronavirus.

Even if that part's true, it's still better than a lot of places since some 40% of Swedes regularly work from home.

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I think we're both a bit wrong on the government role. They have placed restrictions, groups smaller than 50, I watched an NBC News piece on Sweden and how the citizens haven't changed their lifestyle. It's what caused me to look into the actual numbers since the story focused on the Swedish attitudes about coronavirus.

Even if that part's true, it's still better than a lot of places since some 40% of Swedes regularly work from home.

Hmm, didn't know that.

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So stay at home orders lift. The next day what? I get there will be public place restrictions like smaller restaurant crowds. What about seeing old people? Meeting up with a couple friends?

ELI5 how society opens up in those situations. I can't make logical sense to when pre lockdown interactions are okay again. We obviously did this to keep the health care system viable and control spread since we can't test. We still can't test to proper levels yet. So what data will everybody look to that makes you feel comfortable to do normal stuff agsin?

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Maybe you tech nerds can correct me if I’m wrong, but it would certainly seem that John McAfee would know considerably more about virus elimination.

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1251885904534347786
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Have you watched any other John McAfee videos in the last few years?

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This goes into more detail on models being used. A few days old but relevant.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-coronavirus-model-peak-May-COVID-Newsom-15194237.php

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So what data will everybody look to that makes you feel comfortable to do normal stuff agsin?

i'd look at case and death numbers in my county and nearby counties for how prevalent cov2 is in my area and since i don't live in a hot spot, if i wanted to meet up with someone who has also been isolating for some physically distant interaction or go to some retail that was previously closed i wouldn't hesitate, but otherwise i'd continue to do everything exactly as i currently am.
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I have pretty high confidence in Bay Area and California government's guidelines. They were ahead of the curve with shutting things down and I'll listen closely to their recommendations for re-opening. My company also reacted quickly for working from home, I think we'll have a plan for a partial re-opening there as well - like probably half the office works two days a week, the other half two days a week, and everyone work from home on Fridays.

I'm not sure about going to restaurants, I might be more cautious depending on how they reopen. I won't go to concerts for a while unless it's a venue I know won't be crowded and I don't think I'll have the option to see any sports.

There one thing I'll probably be most aggressive with is pickup basketball. I don't know how that's gonna work or if that is even important enough for someone to research how likely you are to contract it in a basketball game. I'd guess it's one of the worst activities you can do but not sure how you can reduce the chance of infection.

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I have pretty high confidence in Bay Area and California government's guidelines. They were ahead of the curve with shutting things down and I'll listen closely to their recommendations for re-opening. My company also reacted quickly for working from home, I think we'll have a plan for a partial re-opening there as well - like probably half the office works two days a week, the other half two days a week, and everyone work from home on Fridays.

I'm not sure about going to restaurants, I might be more cautious depending on how they reopen. I won't go to concerts for a while unless it's a venue I know won't be crowded and I don't think I'll have the option to see any sports.

There one thing I'll probably be most aggressive with is pickup basketball. I don't know how that's gonna work or if that is even important enough for someone to research how likely you are to contract it in a basketball game. I'd guess it's one of the worst activities you can do but not sure how you can reduce the chance of infection.
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i would not play basketball or go to a restaurant.  i would definitely not go anywhere near an indoor concert (can't imagine concerts will be allowed).
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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pickup basketball sounds like a bad idea
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i would not play basketball or go to a restaurant.  i would definitely not go anywhere near an indoor concert (can't imagine concerts will be allowed).
Yeah. I know I wouldn't pay basketball immediately but would really hope to sometime between now and an effective vaccine

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There are just going to be certain things you can't do (attending sporting events, concerts, gyms, etc) and I think if you really are just jonsing to get things open, you're going to have to either make all businesses either be like pickup/take out only, or if that is not possible then only so many people are allowed into a store at a time and you have to have a mask on and it be like one-in, one-out. But even still, so much of that either is not feasible, not going to be enough, and likely not followed, We really need to get testing up significantly and you also get antibody testing in as well. Also people are going to have to adhere the best they can to wearing a mask/gloves when they go out for months, not weeks. Really, the duration of this until we get a vaccine.

Given all the crop of recent protest from the biggest someone who makes me uncomfortable maga people out there, we're simply going to be dealing with rolling outbreaks in different areas for basically the duration of this pandemic I'm afraid. I don't want to resign myself to that but it's hard to stop stupid.
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While Useful Idiot Nation melts down (as always) about a few hundred people who will predominantly adhere to guidelines when it’s all said and done.   

The homeless population grows and in some areas that population roams the streets with a 30% plus infection rate. 

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"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."



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https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1251936242834563073
Interesting that new cases and deaths dropped the day the new ordinance went into effect. Did the Spanish Flu have absolutely no incubation period, or did families gathering during the Christmas & New Year holiday have more to do with the uptick?

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google says the average incubation period for the flu is two days.

"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Yeah and average deaths from the flu is like 30,000.