MEGA MAGA

[DQ12]

I guess I worded that wrong, I know why people want the university to take action, I just don't agree. A public university has no business in being the thought police.

To split hairs, K-State wouldn't be the thought police here, they'd be the speech police.  And there are plenty of those in our lives. 

If I made a joke like that, I'd expect to be fired.  If my employer fired me for some thought it suspected I had, I'd take issue with it.

Anyway, I recognize that expelling him could result in a slippery slope.  Who's to say next week that pro-life students don't call for some adamant pro-choice student to be expelled, or vice versa?  I'm comfortable enough that K-State would use judgment to prevent that sort of thing from happening.  The "at first they came for the racist jokemaker, and I said nothing" rationale doesn't really concern me all that much.  Is this all hypocritical?  Yes it is.  Do I care in this instance?  Not really. 

[Spracne]

For several reasons I won't explain here, I don't think it would work to simply expel him, wait to see if he sues, and then reinstate him and assert lack of standing.

cool appreciate the insight

You want to know the reasons?

I'd honestly be curious

I'm trying to gum up threads less with legal stuff, but "capable of repetition yet evading review" and "voluntary cessation" are two related examples of exceptions to the general standing and mootness doctrines. On the former, the idea is that some injuries are necessarily transitory in nature and likely to become unredressable before a case can be finally decided (Roe v. Wade is the classic example). On the latter, a defendant should not be allowed to manufacture mootness by ceasing its bad conduct once a suit is filed only to turn around and do the exact same thing once a case is dismissed as moot. Otherwise, the offensive conduct could never be addressed. Some other stuff too, but I don't want to get into it.

YEs.  I am still not sure who takes up this little grifter's case.  ACLU is the logical choice but maga grifters hate the ACLU.

Institute for Justice.

[DQ12]

For several reasons I won't explain here, I don't think it would work to simply expel him, wait to see if he sues, and then reinstate him and assert lack of standing.

cool appreciate the insight

You want to know the reasons?

I'd honestly be curious

I'm trying to gum up threads less with legal stuff, but "capable of repetition yet evading review" and "voluntary cessation" are two related examples of exceptions to the general standing and mootness doctrines. On the former, the idea is that some injuries are necessarily transitory in nature and likely to become unredressable before a case can be finally decided (Roe v. Wade is the classic example). On the latter, a defendant should not be allowed to manufacture mootness by ceasing its bad conduct once a suit is filed only to turn around and do the exact same thing once a case is dismissed as moot. Otherwise, the offensive conduct could never be addressed. Some other stuff too, but I don't want to get into it.

Why not just kick him out, wait for the TRO and throw our hands up and say "well we tried"?

[Cire]

Don’t/haven’t  schools kicked kids for black face


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[DQ12]

Don’t/haven’t  schools kicked kids for black face


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They left on their own apparently.  Probably after an ultimatum from the school.

They were also apologetic about what they'd done and probably weren't seeking to be martyrs.  This is a different nut to crack.

[star seed 7]

I guess I worded that wrong, I know why people want the university to take action, I just don't agree. A public university has no business in being the thought police.

To split hairs, K-State wouldn't be the thought police here, they'd be the speech police.  And there are plenty of those in our lives. 

If I made a joke like that, I'd expect to be fired.  If my employer fired me for some thought it suspected I had, I'd take issue with it.

Anyway, I recognize that expelling him could result in a slippery slope.  Who's to say next week that pro-life students don't call for some adamant pro-choice student to be expelled, or vice versa?  I'm comfortable enough that K-State would use judgment to prevent that sort of thing from happening.  The "at first they came for the racist jokemaker, and I said nothing" rationale doesn't really concern me all that much.  Is this all hypocritical?  Yes it is.  Do I care in this instance?  Not really.

I have no problem with a business firing someone for something like this, but that's a separate issue. 

I'm uncomfortable with an unelected public worker being fired for it, but can see a reasoning that they'd be unable to properly serve the public as cause.

Similarly, this dude is likely going to be a distraction at in-person classes (because of his own choices) and I have no problem with catsu telling him he either continues online or transfers. I just don't think a public university should be expelling him.

[Spracne]

For several reasons I won't explain here, I don't think it would work to simply expel him, wait to see if he sues, and then reinstate him and assert lack of standing.

cool appreciate the insight

You want to know the reasons?

I'd honestly be curious

I'm trying to gum up threads less with legal stuff, but "capable of repetition yet evading review" and "voluntary cessation" are two related examples of exceptions to the general standing and mootness doctrines. On the former, the idea is that some injuries are necessarily transitory in nature and likely to become unredressable before a case can be finally decided (Roe v. Wade is the classic example). On the latter, a defendant should not be allowed to manufacture mootness by ceasing its bad conduct once a suit is filed only to turn around and do the exact same thing once a case is dismissed as moot. Otherwise, the offensive conduct could never be addressed. Some other stuff too, but I don't want to get into it.

Why not just kick him out, wait for the TRO and throw our hands up and say "well we tried"?

A TRO is, by definition, temporary, so that wouldn't resolve the case. Also, he could seek money damages (even nominal) in addition to injunctive relief.

[DQ12]

For several reasons I won't explain here, I don't think it would work to simply expel him, wait to see if he sues, and then reinstate him and assert lack of standing.

cool appreciate the insight

You want to know the reasons?

I'd honestly be curious

I'm trying to gum up threads less with legal stuff, but "capable of repetition yet evading review" and "voluntary cessation" are two related examples of exceptions to the general standing and mootness doctrines. On the former, the idea is that some injuries are necessarily transitory in nature and likely to become unredressable before a case can be finally decided (Roe v. Wade is the classic example). On the latter, a defendant should not be allowed to manufacture mootness by ceasing its bad conduct once a suit is filed only to turn around and do the exact same thing once a case is dismissed as moot. Otherwise, the offensive conduct could never be addressed. Some other stuff too, but I don't want to get into it.

Why not just kick him out, wait for the TRO and throw our hands up and say "well we tried"?

A TRO is, by definition, temporary, so that wouldn't resolve the case. Also, he could seek money damages (even nominal) in addition to injunctive relief.

then let the whole process play out in district court.  do your best, probably lose, and don't appeal.  bingo bango bongo.

[Dugout DickStone]

Just have all professors flunk him out for being a huge dork

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A barrage of PI upon him every single time he walks from one classroom/building to another.

[catastrophe]

This is getting closer to my preferred course of action. I’d much rather the university provide multiple platforms to lambast that POS than kicking him out (absent an actual threat, then he’s out).

[Trim]

Lol at this kid bitching about what this place wrote about him first and them in turn researching harder and finding much more.

https://www.irehr.org/2020/02/27/an-affinity-for-bigotry-jaden-mcneil-of-america-first-students/

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Jaden Patrick McNeil
Junior Political Science-BS, Pre-Law-N, University Honors Program-N

[bucket]

Where's he from?

[Trim]

As always, the true CK nails it.

https://twitter.com/cooleykellz7/status/1276646579924013058

[cfbandyman]

Where's he from?

when I searched him it came up Hastings, Nubbs

[DQ12]

He’s a nub, yes.

[DQ12]

I’ve examined my conscience to determine why I had my change of heart and I settled on this:

I care about Cats football and Cats football players more than everyone’s constitutional rights.

[CHONGS]

KSO is certainly not disappointing in it's reaction. 

Very on brand for ksuags.

[TheHamburglar]

KSO is certainly not disappointing in it's reaction. 

Very on brand for ksuags.

That board really has become unreadable.

[treysolid]

xpost with Football board

i don't think K-State should expel him. If they expel him, he'll sue, and probably win. Instead, I think they should give him a degree right now. A BA in political science, give him the diploma and send him on his way, giving him exemption from credit and course requirements. That way, he can't sue and he's out in the world with, functionally, half a degree. You don't accept him if he applies for grad school and you bar him from all alumni events. #ThePrinceHisAss

[wetwillie]

that is so crazy it just might work

[MakeItRain]

KSO is certainly not disappointing in it's reaction. 

Very on brand for ksuags.

rough ridin' truth. I'm not renewing in September, I can't be associated with that filth.

[MakeItRain]

Not only should they expel this scumbag from school but they have to. This emboldened him and his litany of 21st century klansmen, doing nothing won't fix this, it will make it worse and he'll keep embarrassing the school. The amount of damage he's going to do to Kansas State University will far outpace the 6 figure settlement check they'll eventually cut him.

Apparently he has used other platforms to threaten and dox some students so this may all be moot anyway.

[TheHamburglar]

KSO is certainly not disappointing in it's reaction. 

Very on brand for ksuags.

rough ridin' truth. I'm not renewing in September, I can't be associated with that filth.

For the past few months I only clicked through articles & posts linked by DY or Grant on Twitter. I tried to look this evening and my subscription had run out. I looked just to see how long the thread was. I assume aggieville_08 blew it up.