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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #725 on: January 19, 2019, 10:13:29 PM »
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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he even tried today to justify that he didn't want  big beautiful way going coast to coast....but Dems know they have him over a barrel, they aren't going ot give him an inch.

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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #726 on: January 19, 2019, 10:15:33 PM »
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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he even tried today to justify that he didn't want  big beautiful way going coast to coast....but Dems know they have him over a barrel, they aren't going ot give him an inch.

he'll get some tiny offering. it'll be nothing but he will get to parade it around in his nakedness.

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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #727 on: January 19, 2019, 10:22:56 PM »
On the whole, I actually thought he didn't make a complete ass of himself today, and in terms of Trump moves, I think it was a reasonable one that stands a chance of placing the ball in the dems' court. In other words, he took a smart person's advice.

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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #728 on: January 19, 2019, 10:26:47 PM »
On the whole, I actually thought he didn't make a complete ass of himself today, and in terms of Trump moves, I think it was a reasonable one that stands a chance of placing the ball in the dems' court. In other words, he took a smart person's advice.

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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #729 on: January 19, 2019, 10:39:52 PM »
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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I have never supported a border wall, but I will admit that I am particularly more invested at this time because trump's only motivation in this is self promotion. Even 27 and kdub know trump doesn't care about a border wall as policy.
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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #730 on: January 19, 2019, 11:18:57 PM »
On the whole, I actually thought he didn't make a complete ass of himself today, and in terms of Trump moves, I think it was a reasonable one that stands a chance of placing the ball in the dems' court. In other words, he took a smart person's advice.

i agree with the first and third statements.  it was a good move, he's just too boxed in for it to have much chance of moving the needle.  like, it would have been a better wedge on dems if he'd have made a more realistic offer, but you can see from the reaction from the xenophobic center of his supporters to this offer than he doesn't really have much room to make a better offer.

with the caveat that i still think he can probably let his base get mumped on this one and count on them 1) forgetting and 2) getting outraged about a hundred libtarded things between now and the election and not having anywhere else to go.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #731 on: January 19, 2019, 11:40:15 PM »
He's going to offer more and more crap publicly with Mitch standing there saying he'll get it passed until
enough mooches force the Dems to pay the 5.7 billion.  Dems should have just passed his original deal, you are going to give Don a huuuuuge victory here and will be lucky if you don't fund the entire wall this year now.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #733 on: January 20, 2019, 12:04:16 AM »
He's going to offer more and more crap publicly with Mitch standing there saying he'll get it passed until
enough mooches force the Dems to pay the 5.7 billion.  Dems should have just passed his original deal, you are going to give Don a huuuuuge victory here and will be lucky if you don't fund the entire wall this year now.

the dems were very stupid to offer so much for so little a year ago and got crazy lucky that trump blew the deal up.

if your idea of a victory is to pile on tons of crap that the dems want until they finally call it good on the wall, then i agree that trump can probably get you a win if he wishes.
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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
« Reply #734 on: January 20, 2019, 12:11:53 AM »
The only way i’ll claim victory is if Trump gets his money for the wall.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #735 on: January 20, 2019, 01:31:30 AM »
yeah, i got you.  if you don't care about what you give up in return, you can get a deal.  my sense, however, is that many of your copartisans do care about what is given in exchange.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #736 on: January 20, 2019, 01:32:59 AM »
good thread.  mexican immigration has already ended.  central american is heading in the same direction.

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1086700991515320320
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Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #738 on: January 20, 2019, 11:58:47 AM »
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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Are there any trumpers stupid enough to believe that 1000 yards of slats is delivering on his very specific and often repeated promise that Mexico would build a big beautiful wall?  Probably not too many.

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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #739 on: January 20, 2019, 01:51:34 PM »
yeah, i got you.  if you don't care about what you give up in return, you can get a deal.  my sense, however, is that many of your copartisans do care about what is given in exchange.

if trump just wanted a bit of wall to hang his name on and wasn't worried about giving up too much in exchange, he wouldn't be letting miller pull back most of an already insufficient offer.

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1086967625807261696
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #740 on: January 20, 2019, 02:46:32 PM »
the answer is no, btw.  if you don't want to open the thread.

https://twitter.com/EricaGrieder/status/1087046683312173057
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #741 on: January 20, 2019, 04:09:48 PM »
the answer is no, btw.  if you don't want to open the thread.

https://twitter.com/EricaGrieder/status/1087046683312173057

ok take it further, what do you think that means?
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #742 on: January 20, 2019, 04:50:21 PM »
it means that the representatives of border districts unanimously believe that the majority of their constituents do not think that a wall would be advantageous to them.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #743 on: January 20, 2019, 05:40:09 PM »
it means that the representatives of border districts unanimously believe that the majority of their constituents do not think that a wall would be advantageous to them.

agreed, but why?
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #744 on: January 20, 2019, 05:49:21 PM »
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #745 on: January 20, 2019, 05:50:48 PM »
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.
Not sure if you heard, but the latest proposal is steel slats--not concrete.

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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #746 on: January 20, 2019, 06:08:00 PM »
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.

I think you know this is dumb, think about what is good for border businesses, think about who lives in these communities and where their relatives live.  Give it another shot why do border constituents vote for guys like this?
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #747 on: January 20, 2019, 06:25:43 PM »
Lots of prayer rug factories within a few miles of the border.

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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #748 on: January 20, 2019, 07:44:58 PM »
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.

I think you know this is dumb, think about what is good for border businesses, think about who lives in these communities and where their relatives live.  Give it another shot why do border constituents vote for guys like this?

you're repeating what i said.
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Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
« Reply #749 on: January 20, 2019, 07:45:45 PM »
Not sure if you heard, but the latest proposal is steel slats--not concrete.

i don't actually like puns.
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