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Title: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (oh no! trump caved again!) onto the ER
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 22, 2018, 06:52:15 PM
If Schumer caves and Trump builds a 200 some odd miles of wall will you be super-pissed and why?

This is also a great thread for our lamest hur hur posters to break out the ol’ Trump said Mexico would
pay for it hot lava takes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: treysolid on December 22, 2018, 07:07:26 PM
before we start talking about financing the govt, let's give the gofundme a chance to get this thing done
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Tubesock on December 22, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
They will be furious
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: catastrophe on December 22, 2018, 08:17:27 PM
I’d be super pissed if we built a wall instead of these amazing steel slats I’ve been hearing about recently. :love:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2018, 08:23:12 PM
I mean, he's already pretty much despised by many for sucking at his job.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 22, 2018, 08:23:51 PM
What happened to mexico paying for this thing?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Katdaddy on December 22, 2018, 08:28:08 PM
What happened to mexico paying for this thing?


They are, they just don't know it yet.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: chum1 on December 22, 2018, 08:30:32 PM
Somehow, wall funding needs to be in the U.S. budget before Mexico funds the wall.  :dunno:

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 22, 2018, 08:37:30 PM
Typical big government just coming for more taxpayer handouts when they already promised Mexico would pay
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2018, 08:51:43 PM
New idea:

Wall can be solar panels tilted at angles.  We get a new deal green energy project and trumpster gets his wall. We can sell some of the energy to Mexico and that will pay to recoup construction.  We party.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 22, 2018, 09:10:31 PM
Don't the pubs have a majority for a few more weeks? What's the libtatds leverage in this? And why do they hate shovel ready projects all of the sudden?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: treysolid on December 22, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
Don't the pubs have a majority for a few more weeks? What's the libtatds leverage in this? And why do they hate shovel ready projects all of the sudden?

you need more than a simple majority
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 22, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
New idea:

Wall can be solar panels tilted at angles.  We get a new deal green energy project and trumpster gets his wall. We can sell some of the energy to Mexico and that will pay to recoup construction.  We party.

New green deal is something a dozen fucktarded libtards made up so they could tell each other how not fucktarded they are
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 22, 2018, 10:20:40 PM
Do open border types ever feel silly arguing against their own interests just to defend their “team” or so
corporate agriculture can pay less for labor?

And you guys wanna talk about rubes  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on December 22, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 23, 2018, 08:50:53 AM
Let's keep the border with a lawless nation as wide open as possible.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 23, 2018, 10:58:38 AM
"open borders"

lmao
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 11:06:11 AM
50 million illegals   :peek:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 23, 2018, 11:09:05 AM
Lmao cat27 quit embarrassing yourself good lawd.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 23, 2018, 11:17:13 AM
It seems really bizarre to me that it takes 60 votes in the senate to pass a budget. I’m fine with the filibuster for legislation - but for a budget? We should be passing a budget every friggin year but we can’t because of the required super majority.

So from a matter of policy, it doesn’t make sense. From a matter of politics, Mertle’s refusal to kill the filibuster for budgets also makes no sense. If the fear is that someday the Dems will be back in control of the presidency and senate, so what? It’s not like the ability to filibuster a budget would be of any value to the GOP in that instance anyway.

It’s almost as if... and this is totally cynical and probably totally unfounded... but it almost seems like both parties like the 60 vote requirement as an excuse to never actually have to pass a budget and rein in spending.
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on December 23, 2018, 02:04:15 PM
#CommonCoreMath
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 23, 2018, 03:04:09 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 03:46:11 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?

I’d be irate
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 23, 2018, 03:54:41 PM
They’re going to cave. Prepare yourself. The only alternative would be for Mertle to go nuclear and he won’t do that. Instead you’re gonna see a “bipartisan compromise” of Rinos and Dems spending a bit more on “border security” but absolutely no wall.

Youbhave to understand, for Dems this isn’t just about open borders. It is even more important that they not allow trump even a semblance of fulfilling his central campaign promise. When Shumer says he won’t cave on that, you can believe him.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 04:00:54 PM
The wall is necessary, Trump and Schumer are both dug in, it will be pressure from the people that bring
this to a close.  I think it is more likely that pressure is applied to the ‘crats.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on December 23, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Team Schumer= ‘crats, establishment ‘pubs, media, rank and file rube’crat voters

Team Wall= Trump, Trump voters, ‘crat voters that know a wall isn’t a bad thing, voters from either side
That know $5 billion is a rounding error in our budget.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 23, 2018, 04:09:20 PM
The wall is necessary, Trump and Schumer are both dug in, it will be pressure from the people that bring
this to a close.  I think it is more likely that pressure is applied to the ‘crats.

Oh you poor naive soul. By all means “light up the phone banks” but it’s not gonna happen. There is absolutely no amount of pressure, no level of negative polling, that would deter the Dems. They know if they give Trump his wall they are doomed for 2020.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 04:11:23 PM
The wall is necessary, Trump and Schumer are both dug in, it will be pressure from the people that bring
this to a close.  I think it is more likely that pressure is applied to the ‘crats.

Oh you poor naive soul. By all means “light up the phone banks” but it’s not gonna happen. There is absolutely no amount of pressure, no level of negative polling, that would deter the Dems. They know if they give Trump his wall they are doomed for 2020.

And Trump knows the opposite is true, but has the people on his side.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 23, 2018, 04:40:36 PM
My prediction is trump caves and 27 still claims victory
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 23, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
Obviously trump will claim victory as well
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 23, 2018, 04:42:43 PM
Yes, Trump will point to the GoFundMe as proof that he was successful.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 04:44:09 PM
The only way i’ll claim victory is if Trump gets his money for the wall.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 23, 2018, 04:47:45 PM
The wall is necessary, Trump and Schumer are both dug in, it will be pressure from the people that bring
this to a close.  I think it is more likely that pressure is applied to the ‘crats.

Oh you poor naive soul. By all means “light up the phone banks” but it’s not gonna happen. There is absolutely no amount of pressure, no level of negative polling, that would deter the Dems. They know if they give Trump his wall they are doomed for 2020.

And Trump knows the opposite is true, but has the people on his side.

But too many other pubs in the legislature either don’t, or don’t give a crap. And therein lies the weakness. The pubs will splinter. I guarantee it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 23, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Yeah, Trump's popularity is sure to soar if only the pubs can find even more money to waste.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 23, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
The wall is necessary, Trump and Schumer are both dug in, it will be pressure from the people that bring
this to a close.  I think it is more likely that pressure is applied to the ‘crats.

Oh you poor naive soul. By all means “light up the phone banks” but it’s not gonna happen. There is absolutely no amount of pressure, no level of negative polling, that would deter the Dems. They know if they give Trump his wall they are doomed for 2020.

And Trump knows the opposite is true, but has the people on his side.

But too many other pubs in the legislature either don’t, or don’t give a crap. And therein lies the weakness. The pubs will splinter. I guarantee it.

I’m not counting on the worthless congressional ‘pubs, I’m counting on Trump to hold the line until enough pressure is put on ‘crats
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 23, 2018, 07:04:24 PM
The wall is necessary, Trump and Schumer are both dug in, it will be pressure from the people that bring
this to a close.  I think it is more likely that pressure is applied to the ‘crats.

Oh you poor naive soul. By all means “light up the phone banks” but it’s not gonna happen. There is absolutely no amount of pressure, no level of negative polling, that would deter the Dems. They know if they give Trump his wall they are doomed for 2020.

And Trump knows the opposite is true, but has the people on his side.

But too many other pubs in the legislature either don’t, or don’t give a crap. And therein lies the weakness. The pubs will splinter. I guarantee it.

I’m not counting on the worthless congressional ‘pubs, I’m counting on Trump to hold the line until enough pressure is put on ‘crats

That’s just not gonna happen. Trump’s eventually gonna throw up his, take his 2 billion for more ICE agents, and say “hey - not my fault, elect more Pubs.” I give it two weeks tops.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Kat Kid on December 24, 2018, 08:40:02 AM
Does "the people" support building the wall mean a majority or we just referring to MAGA boomers as "the people" now?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Tubesock on December 24, 2018, 10:22:34 AM
Yeah, I read about a poll that said only 2% of Americans support building a wall with their bare hands.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 24, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
In your mind what will the wall achieve?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 25, 2018, 11:21:06 AM
In your mind what will the wall achieve?

If it won’t achieve anything, why are Dems so opposed to it? They ordinarily love wasting money. The truth is that stretches of wall will be a helpful tool to reduce and redirect the flow of human trafficking. That’s why we currently have walls and fences in more populous areas of the border. It’s obviously not a complete solution, but I don’t think anybody ever said it was.

I don’t think anyone should pretend that we are currently effectively enforcing our southern border. The truth is that the vast majority of those opposed to the wall don’t want better enforcement. They want a looser border. For perceived economic reasons, social justice reasons, political reasons, etc.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 25, 2018, 11:26:45 AM
guess who’s back, back again, kazzu dub’s back, tell a friend.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 25, 2018, 11:36:36 AM
Wonder what brought him back.....investments in the crapper, desire to wast emoney on a wall, govt shut down, dozen investigations, cabinet bailing on his hero?

So many options....it's a Christmas miracle indeed!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 25, 2018, 12:14:36 PM
He’s back and it’s great so I will wait until tomorrow to point out that Trump promised hundreds of times the Wall was to be paid for by Mexico but now he’s shut down the government until the US taxpayers pay for it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: puniraptor on December 25, 2018, 07:11:49 PM
He’s back and it’s great so I will wait until tomorrow to point out that Trump promised hundreds of times the Wall was to be paid for by Mexico but now he’s shut down the government until the US taxpayers pay for it.

but so many US taxpayers are actually mexican illegal immigrants that mexico IS actually paying for it

#FOURDEECHECKMATE
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 25, 2018, 08:14:20 PM
https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/border-trilogy-part-1

Interesting listen.

The idea that a wall will stem the flow of illegal drugs or organized criminal elements is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 25, 2018, 08:51:41 PM
https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/border-trilogy-part-1

Interesting listen.

The idea that a wall will stem the flow of illegal drugs or organized criminal elements is beyond stupid.

Wall just got ten feet taller!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on December 25, 2018, 09:40:30 PM
lmao, trump caved and now says just fixing the existing fences is fine.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 06:47:18 AM
https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/border-trilogy-part-1

Interesting listen.

The idea that a wall will stem the flow of illegal drugs or organized criminal elements is beyond stupid.

Is this what you got out of this radio lab thing?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 26, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
No

But the radio lab series is an interesting look at the modern history of the  border and attempts to "secure" it. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 11:29:57 AM
Yes I thought it was great that they could secure the parts they did to the point of having people re-route
to the desert which was extremely dangerous to their health.  This shows that we just need to secure the rest of it.  #Wallup
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 26, 2018, 11:30:27 AM
27, explain to me how this shutdown is over the wall? It was clearly established that Mexico was going to pay for it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 11:33:16 AM
If Schumer caves and Trump builds a 200 some odd miles of wall will you be super-pissed and why?

This is also a great thread for our lamest hur hur posters to break out the ol’ Trump said Mexico would
pay for it hot lava takes.

Ding!   :D
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 11:42:43 AM
You have to build the wall before we can see who ultimately pays for the wall - Nancy Pelosi
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 26, 2018, 11:47:23 AM
If Schumer caves and Trump builds a 200 some odd miles of wall will you be super-pissed and why?

This is also a great thread for our lamest hur hur posters to break out the ol’ Trump said Mexico would
pay for it hot lava takes.

Ding!   :D

did you seriously add the second part of this post yesterday? good grief you're a weird one.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 26, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
Incel alert
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 26, 2018, 01:43:44 PM
I don't even understand why it's a "hur hur" about Mexico paying for it. Trump has said many times that Mexico is going to pay for it.  So, I'm fine with a wall but only if Mexico pays for it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: ChiCat on December 26, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
A "hot take" is Trump holding his obviously bullshit campaign pledge?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 02:01:51 PM
If Schumer caves and Trump builds a 200 some odd miles of wall will you be super-pissed and why?

This is also a great thread for our lamest hur hur posters to break out the ol’ Trump said Mexico would
pay for it hot lava takes.

Ding!   :D

did you seriously add the second part of this post yesterday? good grief you're a weird one.

Your Hur Hur counts Rick, no doubt about it, you kicked our wall wanting asses again.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 26, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
If Schumer caves and Trump builds a 200 some odd miles of wall will you be super-pissed and why?

This is also a great thread for our lamest hur hur posters to break out the ol’ Trump said Mexico would
pay for it hot lava takes.

Ding!   :D

did you seriously add the second part of this post yesterday? good grief you're a weird one.

Haha
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 26, 2018, 02:24:19 PM
when you try to be clever but you aren't
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: ChiCat on December 26, 2018, 02:46:26 PM
It's a shame that the right isn't better at trolling the libs when that is the only thing they really care about anymore
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 26, 2018, 05:42:00 PM
27, is it OK to talk itt about how much bullshit it is that "essential" operations continue through a government shut down when nearly everything is essential?

I remember kdub whining about Obama closing national parks during the last shut down. Personally I don't think any federal government entity should be open at all. All utilities should be shut off to military bases (domestic and abroad) and tell all the soldiers they have to leave but there would be no enforcement really because the government is shut down. Ground all air travel, tell border patrol to not show up, I'm not sure how the interstate highway system is managed, but close all of those if it's a federal thing. Shut down federal prisons and let all the inmates out.

The only federal employees that should be working are congress and the president and they should only be working to end the shut down (and should not be compensated during the shut down).

Just my opinion  :)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 06:10:59 PM
27, is it OK to talk itt about how much bullshit it is that "essential" operations continue through a government shut down when nearly everything is essential?

I remember kdub whining about Obama closing national parks during the last shut down. Personally I don't think any federal government entity should be open at all. All utilities should be shut off to military bases (domestic and abroad) and tell all the soldiers they have to leave but there would be no enforcement really because the government is shut down. Ground all air travel, tell border patrol to not show up, I'm not sure how the interstate highway system is managed, but close all of those if it's a federal thing. Shut down federal prisons and let all the inmates out.

The only federal employees that should be working are congress and the president and they should only be working to end the shut down (and should not be compensated during the shut down).

Just my opinion  :)

Well sure it’s ok lib7, and I see you are a shutdown purest, a friend of mine would like to see politicians
Families tortured from the second day of the shutdown until its conclusion, you both are a little extreme
For my taste but I understand your frustration.  This is the Trump shutdown and it promises to be the
best we’ve ever had, I think we will shatter the old record for length and probably post a number akin
To Joe Dimmagios hitting streak that will never be broken.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 26, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 26, 2018, 08:15:43 PM
Well, that was a promise that was made about 1000 times.  It didn't take an intellectual to know that it probably wouldn't happen, you on the other hand ate it right up.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
I never cared who paid for it, would be proud to pay my enormous share.


If Trump extracts money from the Mexicans I look at that as a bonus.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 26, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
Add this to a nice pile of L’s that don took in 2018. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 26, 2018, 08:50:34 PM
I never cared who paid for it, would be proud to pay my enormous share.


If Trump extracts money from the Mexicans I look at that as a bonus.
There’s a GoFundMe page where you can pay your enormous share and then some.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 26, 2018, 08:52:31 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.
How is it snark? He said that Mexico was going to pay for it. Many times. In fact, he still says it.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 09:05:47 PM
Maybe he still plans on extracting the money from them, ever heard of that one Stan?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 26, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.

This isn't accurate. It's also pointed.out many times how a huge waste of money a physical wall is and border security could be done way smarter.

Sorry you got duped....it happens.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 26, 2018, 09:26:57 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.
How is it snark? He said that Mexico was going to pay for it. Many times. In fact, he still says it.

It’s snark because that’s not a serious policy objection to the wall. You don’t give two shits about how it is “paid for” - you don’t want it. So to latch onto a campaign trail boast as some sort of substantive objection is quite silly. If you want to be cute, go for it - just be aware that any thinking person can see through your bullshit.

Not that is matters, but the wall is already “paid for” as much as anything else is in a budget that is already hundreds of billions in the red. Likewise, collecting billions in taxes on remittances to Mexico, just as an example, would pay no greater portion of the wall than anything else. It is more than a little ironic hearing liberals who fully supported blowing over a trillion dollars on the Obamacare clusterfuck suddenly becoming deficit scolds over $5-10 billion to help control our southern border. Quite a thing.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 26, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.

This isn't accurate. It's also pointed.out many times how a huge waste of money a physical wall is and border security could be done way smarter.

Sorry you got duped....it happens.

Walls throughout history have been quite effective. Our current walls along the border have generally been quite effective. Expanding those walls would be a useful additional tool for border enforcement. You go ahead and believe differently if you like - I’m not interesting in debating this with some anonymous internet dweeb.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: 8manpick on December 26, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.

This isn't accurate. It's also pointed.out many times how a huge waste of money a physical wall is and border security could be done way smarter.

Sorry you got duped....it happens.

Walls throughout history have been quite effective. Our current walls along the border have generally been quite effective. Expanding those walls would be a useful additional tool for border enforcement. You go ahead and believe differently if you like - I’m not interesting in debating this with some anonymous internet dweeb.
Show your face at fattyfest sometime you anonymous internet dweeb.

Welcome back to the pit!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 26, 2018, 09:39:46 PM
Lol healthcare being compared to a border wall.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 26, 2018, 09:42:11 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.

This isn't accurate. It's also pointed.out many times how a huge waste of money a physical wall is and border security could be done way smarter.

Sorry you got duped....it happens.

Walls throughout history have been quite effective. Our current walls along the border have generally been quite effective. Expanding those walls would be a useful additional tool for border enforcement. You go ahead and believe differently if you like - I’m not interesting in debating this with some anonymous internet dweeb.

No they haven't.....posted already itt how smuggling is actually occuring. A physical wall...wait spikes....isn't stopping a thing....but given you and your party is all about spending money and increasing the deficit....best of luck.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 26, 2018, 09:44:53 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.
How is it snark? He said that Mexico was going to pay for it. Many times. In fact, he still says it.

It’s snark because that’s not a serious policy objection to the wall. You don’t give two shits about how it is “paid for” - you don’t want it. So to latch onto a campaign trail boast as some sort of substantive objection is quite silly. If you want to be cute, go for it - just be aware that any thinking person can see through your bullshit.

Not that is matters, but the wall is already “paid for” as much as anything else is in a budget that is already hundreds of billions in the red. Likewise, collecting billions in taxes on remittances to Mexico, just as an example, would pay no greater portion of the wall than anything else. It is more than a little ironic hearing liberals who fully supported blowing over a trillion dollars on the Obamacare clusterfuck suddenly becoming deficit scolds over $5-10 billion to help control our southern border. Quite a thing.

I personally don’t agree that money spent for other humans to have healthcare is “blowing money” but to each their own. It kind of makes you look like a penny pinching narcissist though.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 26, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
They can’t come up with one legitimate reason to not build a border wall and are embarrassed of the real
one.  The hope that one day they can get voting rights for this underclass they are flooding in.  That’s
Schumer’s reason that’s Pelosi’s reason, and if it’s not your reason you are a rube.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 26, 2018, 10:44:49 PM
it’s kinda sad how the only defense liberals can muster at this point is snark about how Mexico was supposed to pay for it. As intellectually bankrupt as Trump is, the liberal Resistance is somehow even dumber. Gross.

This isn't accurate. It's also pointed.out many times how a huge waste of money a physical wall is and border security could be done way smarter.

Sorry you got duped....it happens.

Walls throughout history have been quite effective. Our current walls along the border have generally been quite effective. Expanding those walls would be a useful additional tool for border enforcement. You go ahead and believe differently if you like - I’m not interesting in debating this with some anonymous internet dweeb.
Show your face at fattyfest sometime you anonymous internet dweeb.

Welcome back to the pit!

LOL, yeah ok. The likelihood of KSUW showing up at FF19 is as likely as Mexico paying for the wall.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 26, 2018, 11:40:56 PM
"campaign trail boast" amazing rofl
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Spracne on December 27, 2018, 03:21:13 AM
They can’t come up with one legitimate reason to not build a border wall and are embarrassed of the real
one.  The hope that one day they can get voting rights for this underclass they are flooding in.  That’s
Schumer’s reason that’s Pelosi’s reason, and if it’s not your reason you are a rube.
Have you been posting via typewriter lately?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: ChiCat on December 27, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
In one page of posts the resident GOPpers wants to both keep Trump's campaign promise and not take his campaign promises seriously.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Tubesock on December 27, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
They can’t come up with one legitimate reason to not build a border wall and are embarrassed of the real
one.  The hope that one day they can get voting rights for this underclass they are flooding in.  That’s
Schumer’s reason that’s Pelosi’s reason, and if it’s not your reason you are a rube.
       
this
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Tubesock on December 27, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
They can’t come up with one legitimate reason to not build a border wall and are embarrassed of the real
one.  The hope that one day they can get voting rights for this underclass they are flooding in.  That’s
Schumer’s reason that’s Pelosi’s reason, and if it’s not your reason you are a rube.
Have you been posting via typewriter lately?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
whats my problem with this? posting from an ipad
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 27, 2018, 09:48:53 AM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2018, 10:12:46 AM
"campaign trail boast" amazing rofl

Rubes gonna rube
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 27, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2018, 10:53:38 AM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.

I think the inability to defend the absolute insane debt is why you initially stopped posting.  You and I both know it is indefensible so it's not something you have to own.

Serious question, do you think that there are very few Trump supporters who believed him when he promised the wall would be paid for by Mexico?  Did they readily think to themselves that such a promise is clearly a lie but WGAF?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 27, 2018, 11:02:14 AM
I think the inability to defend the absolute insane debt is why you initially stopped posting.  You and I both know it is indefensible so it's not something you have to own.

Serious question, do you think that there are very few Trump supporters who believed him when he promised the wall would be paid for by Mexico?  Did they readily think to themselves that such a promise is clearly a lie but WGAF?

I don’t need to defend any of the GOP’s failings and, in fact, have frequently criticized them. Particularly on spending. Do a search. That’s not why I stopped posting. The liberal bitching and stupidity becomes tedious.

I have no idea how many of Trump’s supporters feel betrayed by claims like “Mexico will pay for it.” I can only speak for myself and other conservatives I know personally who roll our eyes and laugh about stuff Trump says and does all the time - but we’re still damned glad he won.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 27, 2018, 11:22:04 AM
I'm not betrayed, I knew he was lying about everything but Hillary had some emails.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 27, 2018, 11:41:47 AM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.

I nominate this backtrack of the year.

Such a gleaming list of accomplishments in 2 years while owning the senate and house...appointing judges (every president just you know, does this and it's not a banner part of their administration)...giving companies tax breaks (that didn't filter down to employees)....and knocking out a few regulations.  Wow. 

I particularly enjoy how good God fearing conservatives can swallow all their morals and support this guy....for how little he actually is getting done....and LOL at "the other side" when they point out how morally/intellectually bankrupt this guy is and we should expect better of our president.... in the name of "owning the libs"....seriously, WTF guys.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on December 27, 2018, 01:34:26 PM
i agree with our resident trumpalos that liberals/anti-trumpers that constantly talk up mexico paying for the wall as if that would be a good thing are rough ridin' idiots.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2018, 01:55:48 PM
i agree with our resident trumpalos that liberals/anti-trumpers that constantly talk up mexico paying for the wall as if that would be a good thing are rough ridin' idiots.

I only point it out to shame the idiots that were duped by it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 27, 2018, 02:25:06 PM
i agree with our resident trumpalos that liberals/anti-trumpers that constantly talk up mexico paying for the wall as if that would be a good thing are rough ridin' idiots.

the whole thing is stupid and nobody (nobody) wants mexico to pay for it anymore. you either always thought it was ridiculous regardless of who would pay or you really wanted the wall and mexico to pay but have now changed your minds and still want the wall but now want to stick it to Pelosi and schumer and the libs and get the money that way. neither side actually wants mexico to pay for anything.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 27, 2018, 03:01:32 PM
I want some economist to work the numbers on Mexico indirectly paying for it via trade improvements or remittences or whatever other BS these goofballs are trying to pass off as "payment" for our steel sticks.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2018, 03:02:19 PM
I’d love any other country to pay for any of our spending.  I consider you stupid if you wouldn’t take a handout from another country.  The us builds crap for other countries on the reg.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 27, 2018, 03:48:13 PM
I’d love any other country to pay for any of our spending.  I consider you stupid if you wouldn’t take a handout from another country.  The us builds crap for other countries on the reg.
usually only after we bomb the crap out of their country though.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2018, 06:19:41 PM
Point being there is nothing stupid about taking a Free wall when it’s offered
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on December 27, 2018, 06:23:21 PM
 :impatient:
Point being there is nothing stupid about taking a Free wall when it’s offered

rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 27, 2018, 07:27:31 PM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.

I nominate this backtrack of the year.

Such a gleaming list of accomplishments in 2 years while owning the senate and house...appointing judges (every president just you know, does this and it's not a banner part of their administration)...giving companies tax breaks (that didn't filter down to employees)....and knocking out a few regulations.  Wow. 

I particularly enjoy how good God fearing conservatives can swallow all their morals and support this guy....for how little he actually is getting done....and LOL at "the other side" when they point out how morally/intellectually bankrupt this guy is and we should expect better of our president.... in the name of "owning the libs"....seriously, WTF guys.

So crap like this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Nearly every ounce of what Phil says is either an error or a distortion. In order:
1. Trump’s accomplishments to date are on par if not greater than Obama’s, and that is with a far slimmer senate majority. Obama has a filibuster proof senate for his first two years and only managed to squeak through that turd that is Obamacare.
2. Trump’s track record in appointing judges vastly exceeds Obama to date, particularly at the circuit level. He can thank Mertle for this. His track record has been nothing short of remarkable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66)
3. Over 80% of Americans received a tax cut in the recent reform. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act) Which is frankly amazing considering only about half of Americans pay income tax to begin with. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/) But I know - those are just “crumbs,” right Nancy?

I think I’ve sinilarly unpacked another of Phil’s moronic posts point-by-point, but why bother? He’s not going to change. He’s not going to suddenly say “gee, if everything I said was either wrong or misleading, maybe I should reevaluate my positions, or where I’m getting my info from.” I literally just wasted 15 minutes of my life telling anonymous internet dweeb he’s wrong, wrong, and wrong. To what end? That’s why I stopped coming around here. It’s a waste of time playing whack-a-mole with their stupid arguments.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Trim on December 27, 2018, 08:00:49 PM
That’s why I stopped coming around here. It’s a waste of time playing whack-a-mole with their stupid arguments.

Now we just need to do this irl w/the entire country and build a wall separating everyone.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: treysolid on December 27, 2018, 08:15:58 PM
you are defining "accomplishment" too broadly. is something to be lauded simply because it was done? what does the tax cut accomplish actually accomplish if trickle-down economics is a complete farce? i stepped in dogshit today - where the eff is my standing ovation?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 27, 2018, 08:32:46 PM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.

I nominate this backtrack of the year.

Such a gleaming list of accomplishments in 2 years while owning the senate and house...appointing judges (every president just you know, does this and it's not a banner part of their administration)...giving companies tax breaks (that didn't filter down to employees)....and knocking out a few regulations.  Wow. 

I particularly enjoy how good God fearing conservatives can swallow all their morals and support this guy....for how little he actually is getting done....and LOL at "the other side" when they point out how morally/intellectually bankrupt this guy is and we should expect better of our president.... in the name of "owning the libs"....seriously, WTF guys.

So crap like this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Nearly every ounce of what Phil says is either an error or a distortion. In order:
1. Trump’s accomplishments to date are on par if not greater than Obama’s, and that is with a far slimmer senate majority. Obama has a filibuster proof senate for his first two years and only managed to squeak through that turd that is Obamacare.
2. Trump’s track record in appointing judges vastly exceeds Obama to date, particularly at the circuit level. He can thank Mertle for this. His track record has been nothing short of remarkable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66)
3. Over 80% of Americans received a tax cut in the recent reform. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act) Which is frankly amazing considering only about half of Americans pay income tax to begin with. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/) But I know - those are just “crumbs,” right Nancy?

I think I’ve sinilarly unpacked another of Phil’s moronic posts point-by-point, but why bother? He’s not going to change. He’s not going to suddenly say “gee, if everything I said was either wrong or misleading, maybe I should reevaluate my positions, or where I’m getting my info from.” I literally just wasted 15 minutes of my life telling anonymous internet dweeb he’s wrong, wrong, and wrong. To what end? That’s why I stopped coming around here. It’s a waste of time playing whack-a-mole with their stupid arguments.

This is a really good assessment of the pit, I mostly ignore the stupid posts.  Trolling should probabaly
make up 10% of posts on a good bbs.  Geposters throw fleaflickers every down and they never work.
It gets boring when nobody is actually trolled.  It would also be interesting to debate issues with people
that can concede a point without parroting weak talking points, whataboutism, and pointing out hypocrisy
as a game winner.  Hypocrisy is bad but it does not win an argument when your own argument is flawed.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 27, 2018, 08:36:01 PM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.

I nominate this backtrack of the year.

Such a gleaming list of accomplishments in 2 years while owning the senate and house...appointing judges (every president just you know, does this and it's not a banner part of their administration)...giving companies tax breaks (that didn't filter down to employees)....and knocking out a few regulations.  Wow. 

I particularly enjoy how good God fearing conservatives can swallow all their morals and support this guy....for how little he actually is getting done....and LOL at "the other side" when they point out how morally/intellectually bankrupt this guy is and we should expect better of our president.... in the name of "owning the libs"....seriously, WTF guys.

So crap like this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Nearly every ounce of what Phil says is either an error or a distortion. In order:
1. Trump’s accomplishments to date are on par if not greater than Obama’s, and that is with a far slimmer senate majority. Obama has a filibuster proof senate for his first two years and only managed to squeak through that turd that is Obamacare.
2. Trump’s track record in appointing judges vastly exceeds Obama to date, particularly at the circuit level. He can thank Mertle for this. His track record has been nothing short of remarkable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66)
3. Over 80% of Americans received a tax cut in the recent reform. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act) Which is frankly amazing considering only about half of Americans pay income tax to begin with. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/) But I know - those are just “crumbs,” right Nancy?

I think I’ve sinilarly unpacked another of Phil’s moronic posts point-by-point, but why bother? He’s not going to change. He’s not going to suddenly say “gee, if everything I said was either wrong or misleading, maybe I should reevaluate my positions, or where I’m getting my info from.” I literally just wasted 15 minutes of my life telling anonymous internet dweeb he’s wrong, wrong, and wrong. To what end? That’s why I stopped coming around here. It’s a waste of time playing whack-a-mole with their stupid arguments.

soooo

Obamacare - Neither Repealed nor Replaced somehow made worse
Syria - ISIS still has over 30,00 fighters and we are leaving the people repsobsible for any gains against the group out to dry due to the demand of an Islamic Dictator
Wall - Not built and Mexico is not paying (also does not appear to be big nor beautiful)
Stock Market - Taking a beating and entering a Bear Cycle
Deficit - Exploding
North Korea - totally silverbacked us
Middle East Peace - Shocking but the Kush ain't gonna get it done
Russia - COLUSION - check / biusiness negotiations while candidate - check / back channel and face to face contact - check / pee tapes - ???
Prostitutes - Totally banged em and paid em to keep quiet
Lying - Constant about everything
Steak - well done with ketchup
Suits - poorly fitting
Vacations? - Golfing his ass off
Cabinet - goddamn disaster with anyone who spent any amount of time talking crap on trump either openly or off the record
Indictments - like bunches and bunches

But really Party over country comrades.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 27, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
great example of a stupid post not worth responding to.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 27, 2018, 08:43:08 PM
really you are wise in not spending time defending this crap show of a presidency
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 27, 2018, 08:46:08 PM
great example of a stupid post not worth responding to.

Exactly.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 27, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
great example of a stupid post not worth responding to.

Exactly.

a set of facts don't really require response...
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 27, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
you are defining "accomplishment" too broadly. is something to be lauded simply because it was done? what does the tax cut accomplish actually accomplish if trickle-down economics is a complete farce? i stepped in dogshit today - where the eff is my standing ovation?

I agree that simply doing something shouldn’t be lauded as an accomplishment if it doesn’t actually help. That’s why I don’t consider Obamacare an accomplishment - more like a trillion dollar fuckup that actually increased dependency on insurance middlemen and further increased the cost of health insurance while putting millions more on the rolls of a Medicaid entitlement that is already unsustainable.

Concerning the tax reform, some very smart economists disagree on how much impact it had, it is really too early to measure its success, and it will never be known for certain anyway. However, I consider allowing people to keep more of their own money to be a good thing, period. And that’s what happened for the vast majority of Americans.

In my case the tax reform is going to reduce my effective rate by several whole percentage points, which is stunning. Highly compensated W2 wage earners were getting absolutely mumped by the old tax code, and many of us got significant relief with the tax reform. Of course, people like us are outliers. Most people won’t realize the same tax savings I will, but again, most weren’t getting nearly as screwed as I was to start with. Again, allowing people to keep any additional amount of their own money is a good thing.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on December 27, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-27/trump-says-most-furloughed-u-s-government-workers-are-democrats
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2018, 09:22:51 PM
:impatient:
Point being there is nothing stupid about taking a Free wall when it’s offered

rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

I love insidey stuff but eh
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: treysolid on December 27, 2018, 09:45:42 PM
you are defining "accomplishment" too broadly. is something to be lauded simply because it was done? what does the tax cut accomplish actually accomplish if trickle-down economics is a complete farce? i stepped in dogshit today - where the eff is my standing ovation?

I agree that simply doing something shouldn’t be lauded as an accomplishment if it doesn’t actually help. That’s why I don’t consider Obamacare an accomplishment - more like a trillion dollar fuckup that actually increased dependency on insurance middlemen and further increased the cost of health insurance while putting millions more on the rolls of a Medicaid entitlement that is already unsustainable.

Concerning the tax reform, some very smart economists disagree on how much impact it had, it is really too early to measure its success, and it will never be known for certain anyway. However, I consider allowing people to keep more of their own money to be a good thing, period. And that’s what happened for the vast majority of Americans.

In my case the tax reform is going to reduce my effective rate by several whole percentage points, which is stunning. Highly compensated W2 wage earners were getting absolutely mumped by the old tax code, and many of us got significant relief with the tax reform. Of course, people like us are outliers. Most people won’t realize the same tax savings I will, but again, most weren’t getting nearly as screwed as I was to start with. Again, allowing people to keep any additional amount of their own money is a good thing.

How can it be a good thing if it has led to the country being less solvent than it was prior to the tax cuts? It's not pulling people up out of poverty and increasing the size of the middle class, so how can it be a good thing?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 27, 2018, 09:50:06 PM
what if you found out that manipulation of tax policy was not an effective tool to make people go from underclass to middleclass?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 27, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
there are people throughout history that have failed to accomplish this goal and accomplished this goal
in era's that had polar opposites in tax policy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 28, 2018, 08:02:08 AM
you are defining "accomplishment" too broadly. is something to be lauded simply because it was done? what does the tax cut accomplish actually accomplish if trickle-down economics is a complete farce? i stepped in dogshit today - where the eff is my standing ovation?

I agree that simply doing something shouldn’t be lauded as an accomplishment if it doesn’t actually help. That’s why I don’t consider Obamacare an accomplishment - more like a trillion dollar fuckup that actually increased dependency on insurance middlemen and further increased the cost of health insurance while putting millions more on the rolls of a Medicaid entitlement that is already unsustainable.

Concerning the tax reform, some very smart economists disagree on how much impact it had, it is really too early to measure its success, and it will never be known for certain anyway. However, I consider allowing people to keep more of their own money to be a good thing, period. And that’s what happened for the vast majority of Americans.

In my case the tax reform is going to reduce my effective rate by several whole percentage points, which is stunning. Highly compensated W2 wage earners were getting absolutely mumped by the old tax code, and many of us got significant relief with the tax reform. Of course, people like us are outliers. Most people won’t realize the same tax savings I will, but again, most weren’t getting nearly as screwed as I was to start with. Again, allowing people to keep any additional amount of their own money is a good thing.

How can it be a good thing if it has led to the country being less solvent than it was prior to the tax cuts? It's not pulling people up out of poverty and increasing the size of the middle class, so how can it be a good thing?

You don’t know that the tax cuts have made the country “less solvent.” Nobody does. Some very smart economists disagree on the exact “cost” of the tax reform, if any. It is a fact that in straight up nominal dollars, tax receipts increased by $14 billion in FY18 over FY17.  You can scoff at that and say “sure, but historically it should have increased by more.” And maybe you’re right. Or maybe not. Because we don’t actually know exactly how much impact the cuts had on boosting the economy.

Two things seem pretty clear, however. First, tax reform didn’t cost us anywhere near the price tag predicted by most experts, dynamically scores or otherwise. Second, our deficits continue to be driven mostly by the simple fact that spending continues to far outpace revenue either at the present or former level of taxation.

And that second point leads me to one more. It seems manifestly absurd and unfair to me to say that even if tax reform cost us something, we shouldn’t have allowed people to keep a little more of their own money just because our government can’t get a grip on its spending binge. This wasn’t a new entitlement redistributing people’s money to others. It’s their money.

I guess I can’t expect liberals to agree on that last point. They simply have a markedly different, more socialist, “you didn’t build that” frame of mind. On that we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: 8manpick on December 28, 2018, 08:08:01 AM
And that second point leads me to one more. It seems manifestly absurd and unfair to me to say that even if tax reform cost us something, we shouldn’t have allowed people to keep a little more of their own money just because our government can’t get a grip on its spending binge. This wasn’t a new entitlement redistributing people’s money to others. It’s their money.

Yep
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 28, 2018, 08:54:02 AM
My god those walls of text are just amazing, so good to have you back bud.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on December 28, 2018, 08:55:08 AM
My god those walls of text are just amazing, so good to have you back bud.

I don’t read any paragraph sized+ pit posts but I lmao in appreciation of having the ability to.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 09:26:22 AM
Kdub is still a huge Trump fan is what I got from a quick browse... But says he isn't.

It's sad to see or friends throw away all their moral and political positions for this con man.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 09:48:27 AM
I swear that KSUW started a thread here titled "The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall". Maybe not.

I’m very proud of that title. Just because I support Trump doesn’t mean I can’t joke about him. I can understand why liberals take solace in pretending that all of Trump’s voters either feel betrayed or are too stupid to see they’re being played. Neither is true.

Trump was not my choice in the primaries. He is not an intellectual or a conservative champion. He is crass, egotistical, immoral, and immature. Because he has no political savvy except for his formidable brand of populism, he has utterly failed to lead that discombobulated band of fucktards known as the GOP. As a result, his record on important issues like spending and Obamacare is an utter failure.

And despite all of that, I can also feel extreme gratitude that he beat and even worse person and liberal, and in so doing has managed to advance conservative causes in some important regards, such as appointing stellar judges for the rule of law, trimming back the regulatory state, and tax reform. It’s also quite hilarious at times watching him “own the libs.”

Acknowledging the good and bad, and being satisfied with a choice because it was the better one to make, is not inconsistent or hypocritical. I do not feel betrayed (by Trump) because I knew what I was getting. And I’m certainly not being played.

I stopped posting here because most of the posters are so... meh. Be smart, or be funny, but don’t waste my time with boring liberal bitchiness.

I nominate this backtrack of the year.

Such a gleaming list of accomplishments in 2 years while owning the senate and house...appointing judges (every president just you know, does this and it's not a banner part of their administration)...giving companies tax breaks (that didn't filter down to employees)....and knocking out a few regulations.  Wow. 

I particularly enjoy how good God fearing conservatives can swallow all their morals and support this guy....for how little he actually is getting done....and LOL at "the other side" when they point out how morally/intellectually bankrupt this guy is and we should expect better of our president.... in the name of "owning the libs"....seriously, WTF guys.

So crap like this is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. Nearly every ounce of what Phil says is either an error or a distortion. In order:
1. Trump’s accomplishments to date are on par if not greater than Obama’s, and that is with a far slimmer senate majority. Obama has a filibuster proof senate for his first two years and only managed to squeak through that turd that is Obamacare.
2. Trump’s track record in appointing judges vastly exceeds Obama to date, particularly at the circuit level. He can thank Mertle for this. His track record has been nothing short of remarkable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/trump-federal-judges/?utm_term=.b7a808d26d66)
3. Over 80% of Americans received a tax cut in the recent reform. https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-conference-agreement-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act) Which is frankly amazing considering only about half of Americans pay income tax to begin with. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2015/10/06/new-estimates-of-how-many-households-pay-no-federal-income-tax/amp/) But I know - those are just “crumbs,” right Nancy?

I think I’ve sinilarly unpacked another of Phil’s moronic posts point-by-point, but why bother? He’s not going to change. He’s not going to suddenly say “gee, if everything I said was either wrong or misleading, maybe I should reevaluate my positions, or where I’m getting my info from.” I literally just wasted 15 minutes of my life telling anonymous internet dweeb he’s wrong, wrong, and wrong. To what end? That’s why I stopped coming around here. It’s a waste of time playing whack-a-mole with their stupid arguments.

I appreciate your dedication to responding to this anonymous internet dweeb.  Having a different of opinion doesn't mean the other side is stupid, wrong....that position is why we are in the place we are in....nobody cares to make deals anymore, its just whatever "the other side" says is wrong.  If you are happy with what DJT and his administration have done to this point, I'm happy for you....it just seems you've abandoned your moral and political positions for a sack of coal....and some additional judges that the GOP leadership held open so that Kenyan couldn't fill them....that's not the type of government I want TBH.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 28, 2018, 09:51:08 AM
Kdub is still a huge Trump fan is what I got from a quick browse... But says he isn't.

It's sad to see or friends throw away all their moral and political positions for this con man.

All kdub cares about are taxes, judicial appointees and abortion.  2 out of 3 so far.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2018, 10:10:29 AM
you are defining "accomplishment" too broadly. is something to be lauded simply because it was done? what does the tax cut accomplish actually accomplish if trickle-down economics is a complete farce? i stepped in dogshit today - where the eff is my standing ovation?

I agree that simply doing something shouldn’t be lauded as an accomplishment if it doesn’t actually help. That’s why I don’t consider Obamacare an accomplishment - more like a trillion dollar fuckup that actually increased dependency on insurance middlemen and further increased the cost of health insurance while putting millions more on the rolls of a Medicaid entitlement that is already unsustainable.

Concerning the tax reform, some very smart economists disagree on how much impact it had, it is really too early to measure its success, and it will never be known for certain anyway. However, I consider allowing people to keep more of their own money to be a good thing, period. And that’s what happened for the vast majority of Americans.

In my case the tax reform is going to reduce my effective rate by several whole percentage points, which is stunning. Highly compensated W2 wage earners were getting absolutely mumped by the old tax code, and many of us got significant relief with the tax reform. Of course, people like us are outliers. Most people won’t realize the same tax savings I will, but again, most weren’t getting nearly as screwed as I was to start with. Again, allowing people to keep any additional amount of their own money is a good thing.

How can it be a good thing if it has led to the country being less solvent than it was prior to the tax cuts? It's not pulling people up out of poverty and increasing the size of the middle class, so how can it be a good thing?

You don’t know that the tax cuts have made the country “less solvent.” Nobody does. Some very smart economists disagree on the exact “cost” of the tax reform, if any. It is a fact that in straight up nominal dollars, tax receipts increased by $14 billion in FY18 over FY17.  You can scoff at that and say “sure, but historically it should have increased by more.” And maybe you’re right. Or maybe not. Because we don’t actually know exactly how much impact the cuts had on boosting the economy.

Two things seem pretty clear, however. First, tax reform didn’t cost us anywhere near the price tag predicted by most experts, dynamically scores or otherwise. Second, our deficits continue to be driven mostly by the simple fact that spending continues to far outpace revenue either at the present or former level of taxation.

And that second point leads me to one more. It seems manifestly absurd and unfair to me to say that even if tax reform cost us something, we shouldn’t have allowed people to keep a little more of their own money just because our government can’t get a grip on its spending binge. This wasn’t a new entitlement redistributing people’s money to others. It’s their money.

I guess I can’t expect liberals to agree on that last point. They simply have a markedly different, more socialist, “you didn’t build that” frame of mind. On that we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

W2'ers didn't build anything.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 28, 2018, 10:13:04 AM
My god those walls of text are just amazing, so good to have you back bud.

I don’t read any paragraph sized+ pit posts but I lmao in appreciation of having the ability to.


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It’s amazing how much text a super pro-trumper can pump out in content in a single post.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 10:17:52 AM
Well now you have done it, Big Don is prolly gonna shutdown the whole southern border, all hell is about to break loose.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 10:21:21 AM
new prediction, Schumer caves the day after Nancy secures the speaker position
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Spracne on December 28, 2018, 10:21:23 AM
My god those walls of text are just amazing, so good to have you back bud.

I don’t read any paragraph sized+ pit posts but I lmao in appreciation of having the ability to.


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It’s amazing how much text a super pro-trumper can pump out in content in a single post.
Da fuq is this sentence? Who talks like this?

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 28, 2018, 10:28:22 AM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 28, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
My god those walls of text are just amazing, so good to have you back bud.

I don’t read any paragraph sized+ pit posts but I lmao in appreciation of having the ability to.


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It’s amazing how much text a super pro-trumper can pump out in content in a single post.
Da fuq is this sentence? Who talks like this?

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:lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 11:23:02 AM
I'm planning to go to Mexico next month... Do I have to cancel now?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 11:26:54 AM
what are your dates?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 11:28:00 AM
you might be ok as long as you are flying
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
So closing the border is as effective as a wall. Got it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 28, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
I'm hoping I get stuck next week. I know enough Spanish to sell weed on the beach to tourists. eff the mortgage and tuition. :)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2018, 11:58:29 AM
I'm hoping I get stuck next week. I know enough Spanish to sell weed on the beach to tourists. eff the mortgage and tuition. :)

Yeah you will do very well competing with the cartels in the drug trade
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 28, 2018, 12:00:11 PM
Damn it. Forgot about them. ;)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: 8manpick on December 28, 2018, 12:04:28 PM
I'm hoping I get stuck next week. I know enough Spanish to sell weed on the beach to tourists. eff the mortgage and tuition. :)

Yeah you will do very well competing with the cartels in the drug trade
IPA4Me, Mexico, 2021
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 12:43:00 PM
So closing the border is as effective as a wall. Got it.

No Silly, closing the border is going to piss off the businesses and cartels that haul stuff across it, who are then going to call the Democrat polls that they have contributed to and say you D's need to come to an agreement so that this border gets opened back up, The D's will feel the pressure and cave to Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 12:55:50 PM
Typical Ds....talking to cartels.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: IPA4Me on December 28, 2018, 01:00:40 PM
Closing the border would definitely kill my personal economy. My employer sells a ton of crap made in Mexico.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on December 28, 2018, 01:15:04 PM
Closing the border would definitely kill my personal economy. My employer sells a ton of crap made in Mexico.

No negative consequences for me.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 28, 2018, 01:18:04 PM
 :shakesfist:
Typical Ds....talking to cartels.

He’s saying even more absurd crap lately, I’m kind of worried about him.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 28, 2018, 01:26:46 PM
"hey this is the Mexican cartels. can we speak to the head of all the democrats and get them to fund this wall thing? yeah sure, we can hold."
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 01:30:50 PM
Oh no, American Politicians have never been corrupted by the multi-billion dollar drug biz, nope not in any way shape or form.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 01:41:56 PM
Ksuw- you still think Trump wont get his wall money?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 02:13:56 PM
Please tell me this isn't the logic of the majority of the "build the wall" Americans....

1) Wall must be built to protect our country from illegal immigration, trafficking, and drug movement
2) Due to lack of funding for #1, Trump is threatening to close the border which will make movement across the ground at legal entry points stop
3) #2 will upset drug cartels who are moving their goods to the US
4) these cartels will insist that democrats make a deal with Trump to get #1 done.... (never mind the cartels and Ds being bff)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
Oh no, American Politicians have never been corrupted by the multi-billion dollar drug biz, nope not in any way shape or form.

"and they definitely only use the multi-billion dollars to fund democrats!"

- ridiculous dipcrap
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 28, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
If Obama would have wanted the wall, none of you guys would of had a problem with it. #Science
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
Oh no, American Politicians have never been corrupted by the multi-billion dollar drug biz, nope not in any way shape or form.

"and they definitely only use the multi-billion dollars to fund democrats!"

- ridiculous dipcrap

tell your ridiculous dipcrap buddy that American Politicians sounds pretty bi-partisan to me
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 02:55:03 PM
Please tell me this isn't the logic of the majority of the "build the wall" Americans....

1) Wall must be built to protect our country from illegal immigration, trafficking, and drug movement
2) Due to lack of funding for #1, Trump is threatening to close the border which will make movement across the ground at legal entry points stop
3) #2 will upset drug cartels who are moving their goods to the US
4) these cartels will insist that democrats make a deal with Trump to get #1 done.... (never mind the cartels and Ds being bff)

you missed the regular old businesses, which are a way bigger contingent.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 02:57:33 PM
anyhoo, how long till Nancy and Chuck crack?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: chum1 on December 28, 2018, 03:20:53 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: ChiCat on December 28, 2018, 03:24:21 PM
Trump will cave.  The incoming Dem house will make the things he cares about in the budget more difficult.  The senate power structure is basically staying the same for these purposes.  Trump will want to get it done before the new house, so he'll cave by Jan 3.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 03:33:35 PM
Please tell me this isn't the logic of the majority of the "build the wall" Americans....

1) Wall must be built to protect our country from illegal immigration, trafficking, and drug movement
2) Due to lack of funding for #1, Trump is threatening to close the border which will make movement across the ground at legal entry points stop
3) #2 will upset drug cartels who are moving their goods to the US
4) these cartels will insist that democrats make a deal with Trump to get #1 done.... (never mind the cartels and Ds being bff)

you missed the regular old businesses, which are a way bigger contingent.

You legit think legit business wont blame the actual guy who *closed the border"?

I'm still entertained you think the smugglers need the borders open to smuggle  but also think the wall is the answer to smugglers.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2018, 03:55:19 PM
So closing the border is as effective as a wall. Got it.

No Silly, closing the border is going to piss off the businesses and cartels that haul stuff across it, who are then going to call the Democrat polls that they have contributed to and say you D's need to come to an agreement so that this border gets opened back up, The D's will feel the pressure and cave to Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 28, 2018, 03:58:14 PM
Please tell me this isn't the logic of the majority of the "build the wall" Americans....

1) Wall must be built to protect our country from illegal immigration, trafficking, and drug movement
2) Due to lack of funding for #1, Trump is threatening to close the border which will make movement across the ground at legal entry points stop
3) #2 will upset drug cartels who are moving their goods to the US
4) these cartels will insist that democrats make a deal with Trump to get #1 done.... (never mind the cartels and Ds being bff)

you missed the regular old businesses, which are a way bigger contingent.

You legit think legit business wont blame the actual guy who *closed the border"?

I'm still entertained you think the smugglers need the borders open to smuggle  but also think the wall is the answer to smugglers.

The fact that the smugglers will demand the Dems cave and build the wall tells all you need to know about the efficacy of the wall in stopping the smugglers.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: ChiCat on December 28, 2018, 04:07:52 PM
Was it on here that someone linked a poll that said something like "73% of the people in favor of the wall think they could get around it"
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on December 28, 2018, 04:29:39 PM
you think the smugglers need the borders open to smuggle  but also think the wall is the answer to smugglers.

this is marvelous.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 04:55:01 PM
plenty of lower cost drugs drive right through the checkpoints, 75% get through, 25% are a cost of doing business.  Smugglers having to sneak back into Mexico will have an effect on efficiency, but lol away, the great 'crat CAVE is coming.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 04:59:15 PM
Please tell me this isn't the logic of the majority of the "build the wall" Americans....

1) Wall must be built to protect our country from illegal immigration, trafficking, and drug movement
2) Due to lack of funding for #1, Trump is threatening to close the border which will make movement across the ground at legal entry points stop
3) #2 will upset drug cartels who are moving their goods to the US
4) these cartels will insist that democrats make a deal with Trump to get #1 done.... (never mind the cartels and Ds being bff)

you missed the regular old businesses, which are a way bigger contingent.

You legit think legit business wont blame the actual guy who *closed the border"?

I'm still entertained you think the smugglers need the borders open to smuggle  but also think the wall is the answer to smugglers.

They are going to bitch to the people they gave money to, they can bitch to pubs but they didnt shut it down, their choices are crats and Trump and Trump didnt take
their money for the last 30 years.  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 28, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
Ksuw- you still think Trump wont get his wall money?

Yes. I think that is highly, highly unlikely. As I said before, the Dems will absolutely go to the mat on this for political reasons. So the only way Trump “gets his money” is if Mitch goes nuclear, and that seems incredibly unlikely.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on December 28, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Ksuw- you still think Trump wont get his wall money?

Yes. I think that is highly, highly unlikely. As I said before, the Dems will absolutely go to the mat on this for political reasons. So the only way Trump “gets his money” is if Mitch goes nuclear, and that seems incredibly unlikely.

And dumb....this whole blowing up of established rules to get the instant gratification is idioitc...
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
I'm not for the nuclear option either
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 28, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
Ksuw- you still think Trump wont get his wall money?

Yes. I think that is highly, highly unlikely. As I said before, the Dems will absolutely go to the mat on this for political reasons. So the only way Trump “gets his money” is if Mitch goes nuclear, and that seems incredibly unlikely.

alright, agree to disagree.  :cheers:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 28, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
Ksuw- you still think Trump wont get his wall money?

Yes. I think that is highly, highly unlikely. As I said before, the Dems will absolutely go to the mat on this for political reasons. So the only way Trump “gets his money” is if Mitch goes nuclear, and that seems incredibly unlikely.

And dumb....this whole blowing up of established rules to get the instant gratification is idioitc...

The filibuster for budget matters was always dumb. And it s a big reason why we don’t have a real budget in the first place. I would strongly favor nuking the filibuster for budgets no matter who is in control.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Kat Kid on December 28, 2018, 08:02:41 PM
The fetish for "budgets" vs. CR's is a weird Republican thing I can't ever understand if they are serious about.  I think they just remember getting mad about it under Obama and still use the talking point reflexively even if it doesn't have the same meaning when they control all 3 branches.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 28, 2018, 11:00:37 PM
The fetish for "budgets" vs. CR's is a weird Republican thing I can't ever understand if they are serious about.  I think they just remember getting mad about it under Obama and still use the talking point reflexively even if it doesn't have the same meaning when they control all 3 branches.

If you want to cut spending, which we need to do, CRs aren’t gonna get that done.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 28, 2018, 11:25:33 PM
*wants to cut spending*

*votes for trump*

Lol
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 28, 2018, 11:36:39 PM
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, claimed KSUW was an intelligent person. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 28, 2018, 11:43:28 PM
I think kdub is pretty intelligent
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 28, 2018, 11:45:05 PM
Well we have a single vote now!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on December 29, 2018, 11:28:39 AM
it's hard to see how this ends.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 29, 2018, 11:35:53 AM
Not for me
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on December 30, 2018, 07:58:11 AM
lmao

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Post by: Tubesock on December 30, 2018, 08:38:03 AM
Thats nice Maggie
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 30, 2018, 05:24:28 PM
Checkmate libtards

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 30, 2018, 06:38:10 PM
it must be hard to consider the fact that Schumer could cave here.  Nobody really feels comfortable thinking about it, I get it I guess.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on December 30, 2018, 06:41:31 PM
I think we are all just waiting to see how much pressure the cartels put on Chuck
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 30, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
It must be like standing in the lane by yourself and Zion Williamson is flying down the court at you from 94 feet away and you guys are like, who me? I didnt even know there was a basketball game going on and I wasnt even trying to play defense.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on December 30, 2018, 08:07:14 PM
Gato, you keep framing this as a showdown between Trump and Chuck. It isn’t. Or at least that’s not how this ends. It ends with Senate Rinos fracturing and betraying Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 30, 2018, 09:01:12 PM
how many of them do you need for a veto proof deal?  and good luck to those scabs ever getting elected again.....
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 30, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
make sure your feet aren't inside the circle kdub
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Trim on December 30, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
A wall, but anyone who gets past it gets citizenship?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on December 30, 2018, 10:25:44 PM
I would relent for a seawater moat with crocs
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on December 30, 2018, 11:06:46 PM
Gato, you keep framing this as a showdown between Trump and Chuck. It isn’t. Or at least that’s not how this ends. It ends with Senate Rinos fracturing and betraying Trump.

looks like you need 2/3 in each chamber to overide a veto, pretty tall order
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: ChiCat on December 31, 2018, 12:50:51 AM
*wants to cut spending*

*votes for trump*

Lol

"You know who will get spending under control?  A celebrity known for his opulence!"
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 31, 2018, 11:08:37 AM
Gato, you keep framing this as a showdown between Trump and Chuck. It isn’t. Or at least that’s not how this ends. It ends with Senate Rinos fracturing and betraying Trump.

looks like you need 2/3 in each chamber to overide a veto, pretty tall order

Shouldn’t take that long once the border with Mexico gets shut off.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 31, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
once the cartels start working the phones
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on January 02, 2019, 09:27:33 PM
lmao

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 02, 2019, 09:49:26 PM
Hmm, seems a bit late for that.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 02, 2019, 11:31:55 PM
catndc and stevedave are doing tag team facials again  :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: mocat on January 04, 2019, 08:35:47 AM
yeesh
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on January 04, 2019, 09:19:41 AM
trump is impressively bad at doing deals.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 11:28:30 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/423799-senators-warm-to-immigration-deal-as-shutdown-solution

Senate pubs are now exploring a broader immigration deal as a way out of the shutdown. I’m not opposed to this. I’ve always favored a deal trading limited legal status for tougher border enforcement including more physical barriers. But these negotiations are the prelude to Senate pubs caving on the physical wall. As I predicted.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 04, 2019, 11:44:02 AM
compromise???


seems reasonable
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
Deal with the bigger immigration problem and have Trump steer away from just yammering away only about a physical wall to more of a comprehensive border solution that does include physical barriers and technology (which others have said the money would go to) and you'd have a deal in a second.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2019, 12:33:05 PM
pretty savvy politicking by the dems so far in 2019, off to a good start.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Deal with the bigger immigration problem and have Trump steer away from just yammering away only about a physical wall to more of a comprehensive border solution that does include physical barriers and technology (which others have said the money would go to) and you'd have a deal in a second.

No, you wouldn’t. You are being faaaar too generous about what tightened border control Nancy’s open border zealots will accept. They will not accept any physical barriers even remotely resembling a wall. Maybe a chain link fence provided it does not exceed 6 feet in height and cannot withstand harbor freight-grade bolt cutters.

Conversely, pubs would gladly fork over fairly broad legal protections in exchange for significantly tighter border security.

For example, I’d happily grant blanket amnesty (except felons) in exchange for more physical barriers, more surveillance, more ice agents, more detention facilities and streamlined legal proceedings to end catch and release, statutory abolition of birthright citizenship (no, that isn’t “unconstitutional”) and mandatory E Verify.

Most of these are absolute non-starters for the left. Because they don’t truly want border security.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 04, 2019, 01:37:36 PM
:Woot: Trump wants to keep the gov shut down for months and years #MAGA
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 02:13:30 PM
I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Spracne on January 04, 2019, 02:18:05 PM
I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?
Explain to me your constitutional argument.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?

I think the vast majority of nations are wrong. That is why we are better than they are economically, morally, etc. It's just a danged shame our president doesn't believe in American exceptionalism.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 02:40:15 PM
I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?

I think the vast majority of nations are wrong. That is why we are better than they are economically, morally, etc. It's just a danged shame our president doesn't believe in American exceptionalism.

Well gosh, when you put it that way we might as well not have a border.... That would indeed be exceptional.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 02:43:30 PM
I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?
Explain to me your constitutional argument.

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I don’t really need to do that. You know just as well as I do that basing a constitutional right to birthright citizenship on the dicta of one footnote in a decades old case is a pretty thin reed. How about we put the issue squarely before the current Court and find out? I’ll bet you a bazillion dollars I’m right.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2019, 02:45:24 PM
More caving talk plz
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 04, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
there is way too much nonsense mucking up this thread considering nobody caved today.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 04, 2019, 03:00:06 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2019, 03:06:59 PM
lmao
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 04, 2019, 03:08:47 PM
Putin and Kim can do whatever they want, why not Trump?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 03:09:37 PM
This is exactly what we need - more executive action! Obama would'a done it (I mean, not for this obviously). When Trump does it, he should even use the same words Obama used to justify his DACA order. :lol: Trump should go ahead and end birthright citizenship by executive order, too, while we're at it. That would at least finally put the issue squarely before the SC!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: steve dave on January 04, 2019, 03:12:25 PM
"I can do it if I want" is an incred trump thing to say
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Spracne on January 04, 2019, 03:13:12 PM


I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?
Explain to me your constitutional argument.

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I don’t really need to do that. You know just as well as I do that basing a constitutional right to birthright citizenship on the dicta of one footnote in a decades old case is a pretty thin reed. How about we put the issue squarely before the current Court and find out? I’ll bet you a bazillion dollars I’m right.

I mean, read the first sentence of the 14th Amendment...

If this issue ever does get to SCOTUS, I'll take that bet (but let's make it a realistic number that will sting a little).

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: wetwillie on January 04, 2019, 03:20:57 PM
Someone mod the spracne KSUW circle jerk to its own birthright thread
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Spracne on January 04, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
And before you "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" me, ask yourself this question: What kinds of persons are, in fact, NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Spracne on January 04, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
Someone mod the spracne KSUW circle jerk to its own birthright thread
This is a pit thread.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: chum1 on January 04, 2019, 03:22:37 PM
Yeah, there's no way this kinda crap is going to be tolerated for weeks.

Quote
Call outs have increased by 200%-300% at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, where typically 25 to 30 TSA employees call out from an average shift according to a local TSA official familiar with the situation.
...
One called it the "blue flu," a reference to the blue shirts worn by transportation security officers who screen passengers and baggage at airport security checkpoints.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 03:23:56 PM


I really don't get the argument against birthright citizenship. If you are born here, you should be able to stay.

Why? Wouldn't you agree that birthright citizenship provides a perverse incentive for people to break our immigration laws? Why do you think it is that the vast majority of nations, including developed nations, either never had birthright citizenship or have since repealed it?
Explain to me your constitutional argument.

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I don’t really need to do that. You know just as well as I do that basing a constitutional right to birthright citizenship on the dicta of one footnote in a decades old case is a pretty thin reed. How about we put the issue squarely before the current Court and find out? I’ll bet you a bazillion dollars I’m right.

I mean, read the first sentence of the 14th Amendment...

If this issue ever does get to SCOTUS, I'll take that bet (but let's make it a realistic number that will sting a little).

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You mean that first part that say “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” (ooooh I just totally went there and quoted the Constitution)? What do you think the purpose of those words were? In context of the passage of the 14th amendment? You might find this interesting.

https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Citizenship-Overview (https://cis.org/Report/Birthright-Citizenship-Overview)

If the issue ever goes to the SC, I’ll bet you whatever amount you want, and let’s make it sting a lot, please.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Dlew12 on January 04, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
This is a good old fashioned constitutional-off, boys. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2019, 03:47:43 PM
Going straight to an anti-immigration think-tank to get a legal opinion seems like it might be a flawed strategy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 04:18:05 PM
Going straight to an anti-immigration think-tank to get a legal opinion seems like it might be a flawed strategy.

Yes, that's a very reasonable response. "Pssshh, well they're anti-immigration - what do you expect?" Meanwhile, Spracs is furiously transcribing his notes from liberal law professors into a treatise-length post.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 04, 2019, 04:21:29 PM
I doubt Republicans have appointed enough dipshits to rule incorrectly about birthright citizenship yet, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 04, 2019, 04:34:10 PM


Going straight to an anti-immigration think-tank to get a legal opinion seems like it might be a flawed strategy.

Yes, that's a very reasonable response. "Pssshh, well they're anti-immigration - what do you expect?" Meanwhile, Spracs is furiously transcribing his notes from liberal law professors into a treatise-length post.

I'm at work, dork. No treatise for you!

You've found a colorable argument and are firmly entrenched (I dont think Roberts, aka Nu-Kennedy, would buy in, tho). Not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind or further muck up this thread. Happy Friday!

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2019, 04:35:38 PM
Deal with the bigger immigration problem and have Trump steer away from just yammering away only about a physical wall to more of a comprehensive border solution that does include physical barriers and technology (which others have said the money would go to) and you'd have a deal in a second.

No, you wouldn’t. You are being faaaar too generous about what tightened border control Nancy’s open border zealots will accept. They will not accept any physical barriers even remotely resembling a wall. Maybe a chain link fence provided it does not exceed 6 feet in height and cannot withstand harbor freight-grade bolt cutters.

Conversely, pubs would gladly fork over fairly broad legal protections in exchange for significantly tighter border security.

For example, I’d happily grant blanket amnesty (except felons) in exchange for more physical barriers, more surveillance, more ice agents, more detention facilities and streamlined legal proceedings to end catch and release, statutory abolition of birthright citizenship (no, that isn’t “unconstitutional”) and mandatory E Verify.

Most of these are absolute non-starters for the left. Because they don’t truly want border security.

shockingly you are painting "the other side" with way too big of a negative spin and "your side" with way too big of a positive spin....

Great way to get things done.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: chum1 on January 04, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
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(where no democrat answers thread)

I mean, he's already pretty much despised by many for sucking at his job.

My answer is that I couldn't really be madder. I'm actually not even mad, though. Just over him and want someone much better. Like, if he caves, I'll be like, "yeah, that figures."
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 04, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
Someone mod the spracne KSUW circle jerk to its own birthright thread

It is pretty unbearable to read for sure.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 06:06:44 PM
Deal with the bigger immigration problem and have Trump steer away from just yammering away only about a physical wall to more of a comprehensive border solution that does include physical barriers and technology (which others have said the money would go to) and you'd have a deal in a second.

No, you wouldn’t. You are being faaaar too generous about what tightened border control Nancy’s open border zealots will accept. They will not accept any physical barriers even remotely resembling a wall. Maybe a chain link fence provided it does not exceed 6 feet in height and cannot withstand harbor freight-grade bolt cutters.

Conversely, pubs would gladly fork over fairly broad legal protections in exchange for significantly tighter border security.

For example, I’d happily grant blanket amnesty (except felons) in exchange for more physical barriers, more surveillance, more ice agents, more detention facilities and streamlined legal proceedings to end catch and release, statutory abolition of birthright citizenship (no, that isn’t “unconstitutional”) and mandatory E Verify.

Most of these are absolute non-starters for the left. Because they don’t truly want border security.

shockingly you are painting "the other side" with way too big of a negative spin and "your side" with way too big of a positive spin....

Great way to get things done.

You think I’m painting my side with a positive spin? :lol: I think my side overall is nearly as bad as the Dems on immigration and actually far less competent, politically.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 04, 2019, 06:20:12 PM
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Conversely, pubs would gladly fork over fairly broad legal protections in exchange for significantly tighter border security.
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I've not seen any evidence of republicans being open to "broad legal protections".....

and tighter border security doesn't have dingus to do with a big beautiful physical wall.....tighter border security the majority of people are behind.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 06:32:33 PM
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Conversely, pubs would gladly fork over fairly broad legal protections in exchange for significantly tighter border security.

I've not seen any evidence of republicans being open to "broad legal protections".....

and tighter border security doesn't have dingus to do with a big beautiful physical wall.....tighter border security the majority of people are behind.

Please explain to me the “tighter border security” you think Dems will support.  :bwpopcorn:

As for the pubs, they have frequently offered to compromise on things like legal status for dreamers. Most recently this summer, and frequently before. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/703064002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/703064002)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2019, 06:34:30 PM
Abolish ICE.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 04, 2019, 06:37:26 PM
Abolish ICE.

Exactly. Brought to you by the party that would support stronger border enforcement.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 04, 2019, 07:22:31 PM
It would be easier to support border security if I could identify some ways it would make my life better.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 05, 2019, 08:23:16 AM
These people clearly do not have lake houses in Minnesota to worry about.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 05, 2019, 08:29:29 AM
These people clearly do not have lake houses in Minnesota to worry about.


 :lol: have Maxine Waters follow the money on that one.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 05, 2019, 08:50:10 AM
Will Hurd is one of the few decent Republicans in Congress.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 05, 2019, 08:58:17 AM
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Conversely, pubs would gladly fork over fairly broad legal protections in exchange for significantly tighter border security.

I've not seen any evidence of republicans being open to "broad legal protections".....

and tighter border security doesn't have dingus to do with a big beautiful physical wall.....tighter border security the majority of people are behind.

Please explain to me the “tighter border security” you think Dems will support.  :bwpopcorn:

As for the pubs, they have frequently offered to compromise on things like legal status for dreamers. Most recently this summer, and frequently before. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/703064002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/703064002)

Few different examples for you here

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/us/politics/fast-check-donald-trump-democrats-open-borders.html

Parroting Trump's inane positions in your posts is just boring. Especially for one who claims that Trump wasn't his choice
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 05, 2019, 09:27:55 AM
How many days has the government been on strike now 14 days?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 05, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
How many days has the government been on strike now 14 days?

I have noticed no change at all.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 06, 2019, 05:43:59 PM
it looks like friday is a big day for the shutdown, crats may cave this week with payroll checks due to go out.  If not pressure should ramp up a notch
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 06, 2019, 07:03:12 PM
I really don't care if he gets the funding or not.

I think the idea that steel slats will slow the flow of narcotics and organized crime is laughable.

Also the idea that the new nafta equates to Mexico paying for it is infuriatingly trumpian
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2019, 09:09:48 PM
I never realized how many government workers live paycheck to paycheck until I started seeing all the articles lamenting how federal workers living paycheck to paycheck are being hurt by the shutdown. It never seems to occur to any of them, or the writers, to build up some savings. Or get a different job. Something in the private sector that creates value.

These seem to be the only people impacted by the shutdown. Not the folks who need services, but the folks with a hand in our pockets.

Trumpmshould just exercise his prerogative as head of the executive branch to make at least some of this shutdown permanent.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 06, 2019, 09:23:06 PM
The way your brain works is bananas
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 09:36:09 PM
The way your brain works is bananas

he tried to argue that birthright citizenship isn't in the constitution.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
I never realized how many government workers live paycheck to paycheck until I started seeing all the articles lamenting how federal workers living paycheck to paycheck are being hurt by the shutdown. It never seems to occur to any of them, or the writers, to build up some savings. Or get a different job. Something in the private sector that creates value.

These seem to be the only people impacted by the shutdown. Not the folks who need services, but the folks with a hand in our pockets.

Trumpmshould just exercise his prerogative as head of the executive branch to make at least some of this shutdown permanent.

The role of the Executive is to enforce the laws. The eff you talking about? Don't make me dig up your posts complaining about Obama's executive overreach.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 06, 2019, 09:38:06 PM
How much does he think TSA workers make?


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 09:39:26 PM
I really don't care if he gets the funding or not.

I think the idea that steel slats will slow the flow of narcotics and organized crime is laughable.

Also the idea that the new nafta equates to Mexico paying for it is infuriatingly trumpian

i care, and i very much appreciate that pelosi is making the argument that she will not allow the us to build a wall because it is immoral, not because trump said mexico would pay for it or because a fence isn't a wall, lolz.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 09:41:21 PM
I really don't care if he gets the funding or not.

I think the idea that steel slats will slow the flow of narcotics and organized crime is laughable.

Also the idea that the new nafta equates to Mexico paying for it is infuriatingly trumpian

i care, and i very much appreciate that pelosi is making the argument that she will not allow the us to build a wall because it is immoral, not because trump said mexico would pay for it or because a fence isn't a wall, lolz.

Well, let's be honest, that's not why the Dems are opposing the wall. I'm happy that it makes you feel good about yourself, though.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 06, 2019, 09:45:26 PM
Everyone except Donald Trump opposed the wall before the primary.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 09:48:19 PM
Everyone except Donald Trump opposed the wall before the primary.
"The Wall" is 100% about Donald Trump, so that's not surprising.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2019, 09:49:54 PM
I never realized how many government workers live paycheck to paycheck until I started seeing all the articles lamenting how federal workers living paycheck to paycheck are being hurt by the shutdown. It never seems to occur to any of them, or the writers, to build up some savings. Or get a different job. Something in the private sector that creates value.

These seem to be the only people impacted by the shutdown. Not the folks who need services, but the folks with a hand in our pockets.

Trumpmshould just exercise his prerogative as head of the executive branch to make at least some of this shutdown permanent.

The role of the Executive is to enforce the laws. The eff you talking about? Don't make me dig up your posts complaining about Obama's executive overreach.

Federal agencies are not part of the executive branch? You’re like, a lawyer, right?  :users:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 09:51:50 PM
Well, let's be honest, that's not why the Dems are opposing the wall. I'm happy that it makes you feel good about yourself, though.

dems are a big tent party and within that tent are varied reasons for opposing trump's wall.  my reason is that a border wall indicates a failed relationship between two nations.  the united states and mexico do not have a failed relationship and the desire to build a wall between those two countries is the wish to make concrete a desire to alienate the two countries.  it can be understood only as an insult (ergo the threat to have mexico pay for it).

i'll take dems opposing the wall for whatever idiotic reasons they have, but i'm glad there is a democratic politician willing to articulate my position.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
i shouldn't say "idiotic".  some of them are fair to good reasons.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2019, 09:59:00 PM
Well, let's be honest, that's not why the Dems are opposing the wall. I'm happy that it makes you feel good about yourself, though.

dems are a big tent party and within that tent are varied reasons for opposing trump's wall.  my reason is that a border wall indicates a failed relationship between two nations.  the united states and mexico do not have a failed relationship and the desire to build a wall between those two countries is the wish to make concrete a desire to alienate the two countries.  it can be understood only as an insult (ergo the threat to have mexico pay for it).

i'll take dems opposing the wall for whatever idiotic reasons they have, but i'm glad there is a democratic politician willing to articulate my position.

Signs of a good relationship: when hundreds of thousands of your citizens are illegally crossing into your neighboring country. And when thousands more from other countries are passing illegally though yours to get to your neighbor, and you don’t try to stop them. Yes, the reason we shouldn’t build a wall is that “a wall would symbolize a failed relationship.” Good points.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 06, 2019, 10:03:20 PM
i dont have a failed relationship with field mice in the field behind my house but i dont like them coming      inside in the winter, crapping all over the place, dropping anchor babies and mooching up all the trappings of being a resident of my address either.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 10:04:09 PM
our incoherent immigration policy is not a failed relationship.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 06, 2019, 10:08:05 PM
If i find a field mouse on the wrong side of the border, I kill him, zero tolerance and it sends the right message to his buds.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 06, 2019, 10:13:09 PM
our incoherent immigration policy is not a failed relationship.

Our immigration policy seems pretty coherent to me. We decide whether to let you enter or not. Like any sovereign nation. Are you saying that Mexico and it’s citizens don’t realize they’re breaking the law? I’m pretty sure we’ve even posted lots of signage down there in Spanish.

Or are you saying we’re to blame for illegal immigration because we should just make it all legal? Hey Sys, if someone breaks into your house to steal your crap or take up residence in the kitchen, the real problem is you trying to keep them out.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 06, 2019, 10:18:22 PM
if we actually didn't want illegal immigrants in the country we would enforce employment laws.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 06, 2019, 10:29:21 PM
I never realized how many government workers live paycheck to paycheck until I started seeing all the articles lamenting how federal workers living paycheck to paycheck are being hurt by the shutdown. It never seems to occur to any of them, or the writers, to build up some savings. Or get a different job. Something in the private sector that creates value.

These seem to be the only people impacted by the shutdown. Not the folks who need services, but the folks with a hand in our pockets.

Trumpmshould just exercise his prerogative as head of the executive branch to make at least some of this shutdown permanent.

The role of the Executive is to enforce the laws. The eff you talking about? Don't make me dig up your posts complaining about Obama's executive overreach.

Federal agencies are not part of the executive branch? You’re like, a lawyer, right?  :users:

You didn't respond to what I said at all. How are federal agencies created, and who/what defines the scope of their mandates? What is the role of the President vis-à-vis same? Do you really believe that any agency under the Executive umbrella is a tiny fiefdom under the President's exclusive direction and control? What kind of strip-mall lawyer are you?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2019, 06:16:25 AM
I agree with this sentiment. The contentious aspect of this is much more about ideology than actual policy.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2019, 06:21:22 AM
In fact, in spite of all the talk about the need for wall/border security, I really can't remember hearing much of anything about why. Just a bunch of hysterics from pridefully ignorant white people.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2019, 06:36:26 AM
I kind of want a tiny bit of the wall built because it’s going to be a fantastic monument to point and laugh while we remember don’s time in office.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2019, 08:01:55 AM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 07, 2019, 08:20:06 AM
In fact, in spite of all the talk about the need for wall/border security, I really can't remember hearing much of anything about why. Just a bunch of hysterics from pridefully ignorant white people.

Assuming the wall actually worked, and I don't believe it would have any effect on immigration anyway, the only ways I could see the wall impacting my life would be higher cost of food, higher construction costs, and reduced overall GDP, which could result in lower pay for me but probably would just result in it being slightly harder for me to get a raise or find a better job.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
I never realized how many government workers live paycheck to paycheck until I started seeing all the articles lamenting how federal workers living paycheck to paycheck are being hurt by the shutdown. It never seems to occur to any of them, or the writers, to build up some savings. Or get a different job. Something in the private sector that creates value.

These seem to be the only people impacted by the shutdown. Not the folks who need services, but the folks with a hand in our pockets.

Trumpmshould just exercise his prerogative as head of the executive branch to make at least some of this shutdown permanent.

The role of the Executive is to enforce the laws. The eff you talking about? Don't make me dig up your posts complaining about Obama's executive overreach.

Federal agencies are not part of the executive branch? You’re like, a lawyer, right?  :users:

You didn't respond to what I said at all. How are federal agencies created, and who/what defines the scope of their mandates? What is the role of the President vis-à-vis same? Do you really believe that any agency under the Executive umbrella is a tiny fiefdom under the President's exclusive direction and control? What kind of strip-mall lawyer are you?

In answer to your questions, which are obvious but irrelevant: The legislature typically creates agencies. The legislature theoretically defines the scope of their mandates (though in reality, that's most typically defined by the agencies' themselves). But these agencies still fall under the executive branch and the President and his appointees maintain broad latitude over how agencies are staffed. That's what I mean when I say the President could make some of the shutdown permanent.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 07, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Yes, why don't these people just have more money?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
Yes, why don't these people just have more money?

Or work a different job. The job market is red hot. Granted, most would have to work harder than they’re accustomed to. And be more accountable.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 07, 2019, 10:44:47 AM
When you remember that this guy celebrated his betters getting a tax cut even at the expense of his own family, everything else about him and his ideology falls easily in to place.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Yes, why don't these people just have more money?

Or work a different job. The job market is red hot. Granted, most would have to work harder than they’re accustomed to. And be more accountable.

Such a weird  mindset that government jobs equal lazy worker and no accountability but private jobs equal hard worker.  Almost like anyone thinking this hasn't seen someone working in a private office ever.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 07, 2019, 10:54:51 AM
Government pay needs to be lowered/eliminated enough to drive anyone adequate into the private sector.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 12:28:07 PM
Relevant
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 01:54:54 PM
Relevant
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“Perceptions” about “wealth gap” strikes me as exactly the sort of thing liberals would find interesting and worthy of study and discussion. Enjoy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 01:55:53 PM
Welp, here is some must see TV for tomorrow night. :popcorn:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-trump-reportedly-seeking-to-address-the-nation-on-tuesday-night-but-networks-reluctant/ (https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-trump-reportedly-seeking-to-address-the-nation-on-tuesday-night-but-networks-reluctant/)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 02:00:54 PM
This might be where he closes the border
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 07, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
He's going to declare a national emergency to try and build the wall
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Brock Landers on January 07, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
Oooh, a fake national emergency.  T's and P's to everyone in these troubling times.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
Welp, here is some must see TV for tomorrow night. :popcorn:

https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-trump-reportedly-seeking-to-address-the-nation-on-tuesday-night-but-networks-reluctant/ (https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-trump-reportedly-seeking-to-address-the-nation-on-tuesday-night-but-networks-reluctant/)

I got money on it not happening much like 99 percent of what don says.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 02:57:43 PM
He's going to declare a national emergency to try and build the wall

Well if he does, that'll certainly take the Dems (and Pubs) off the hook. That will end the fight over the appropriations bill and then the Dems will just turn to a 9th circuit judge to enjoin anything he tries to do as Chief Exec. It's a way out politically for everyone.  :cheers: :flush:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 03:17:51 PM
correct.  taking it out of congress and into the the courts is his "hold me back" move to escape the fight without looking like a pussy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 07, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
lmao

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 03:25:39 PM
Lol
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 07, 2019, 03:42:31 PM
correct.  taking it out of congress and into the the courts is his "hold me back" move to escape the fight without looking like a pussy.
Haha
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 06:29:08 PM
i hope he announces that he is going to re-open the government, and then fully close the border until
a wall and border security can be agreed upon in congress.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 07, 2019, 06:36:29 PM
i hope he announces that he is going to re-open the government, and then fully close the border until
a wall and border security can be agreed upon in congress.

are you talking about closing border crossings? because if so, that's the dumbest idea i've ever heard
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 07, 2019, 06:39:23 PM
that's the dumbest idea i've ever heard

Pretty good reason to think Trump would want to try it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 06:46:08 PM
i hope he announces that he is going to re-open the government, and then fully close the border until
a wall and border security can be agreed upon in congress.

are you talking about closing border crossings? because if so, that's the dumbest idea i've ever heard

yeah, we'll just close it all down for a few days while we get it all worked out nbd.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
maybe let americans returning home from vacation through
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 07, 2019, 06:52:05 PM
i hope he announces that he is going to re-open the government, and then fully close the border until
a wall and border security can be agreed upon in congress.

are you talking about closing border crossings? because if so, that's the dumbest idea i've ever heard

yeah, we'll just close it all down for a few days while we get it all worked out nbd.

Besides hurting the local economies, I fail to see how that gives R's additional leverage. 1 million people cross the border every day, and they aren't just tourists.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 06:57:19 PM
i hope he announces that he is going to re-open the government, and then fully close the border until
a wall and border security can be agreed upon in congress.

are you talking about closing border crossings? because if so, that's the dumbest idea i've ever heard

yeah, we'll just close it all down for a few days while we get it all worked out nbd.

Besides hurting the local economies, I fail to see how that gives R's additional leverage. 1 million people cross the border every day, and they aren't just tourists.

we gotta crisis here bud, those people just wont be able to cross for awhile
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 08:02:28 PM
"crisis"


Close down the legal crossings if you want to stop drugs and people moving...that's how it happens via land anyways.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 08:07:13 PM
 it should get the job done, thats why I like it (not reponding to open border phil)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 08:24:06 PM
even trump isn't that stupid.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 08:26:26 PM
it should get the job done, thats why I like it (not reponding to open border phil)

"if you aren't for a 19th century solution, you are for open borders"

- Trump rubes
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 07, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Maga

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 07, 2019, 08:47:03 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 08:48:34 PM
I’m not sure declaring a national emergency is gonna be sufficient to survive a 9th circuit injunction. To be on the safe side, Trump should just declare war on Mexico tomorrow. Then he can the military to build the wall in a jif. Probably a moat, too.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 07, 2019, 08:49:52 PM
I don’t know what to do when you make fun of gato, it’s a real worlds colliding type moment.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
I’m not sure declaring a national emergency is gonna be sufficient to survive a 9th circuit injunction. To be on the safe side, Trump should just declare war on Mexico tomorrow. Then he can the military to build the wall in a jif. Probably a moat, too.
The way you're talking, it makes it seem like you believe the 9th Cir. would be wrong to enjoin such a Presidential action. Is that the case?

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 08:57:04 PM
it really doesn't surprise me that Ksu knows how to get leverage in a negotiation better than Big Don, plus he has better legal advisors, just a shame being President didnt fit his schedule this cycle.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 08:59:02 PM
Can Trump close the border?  thats what we are talking about Spracne
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 07, 2019, 09:01:58 PM
Trump would love to have a court tell him he can’t build the wall, then he can claim victory without doing anything.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2019, 09:02:47 PM
Can Trump close the border?  thats what we are talking about Spracne
I understand that the President has certain powers that the People have granted he should have in times of crisis. It's a prudential prerogative. I also understand the importance of separation of powers. But courts can intervene when powers are being abused. Checks and balances. I think this would be an abuse of power. And I hope he does it, if only so that we can get law on the books curtailing Executive power.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 09:17:44 PM
it feels like Trump is trying to use all his "toys" (oval office address, declaring national emergency) the presidential powers gives him before he has to leave.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 09:18:33 PM
Its hard for me to imagine that Trump taking action to enforce US law at the border regardless of how much that slows traffic would be something the Supremes would rule against but law is not really my thing.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2019, 09:22:40 PM
Its hard for me to imagine that Trump taking action to enforce US law at the border regardless of how much that slows traffic would be something the Supremes would rule against but law is not really my thing.
It's not hard for me to imagine. The President was given that power via an Act of Congress long ago. The question is whether the (future) invocation of those powers falls within the mandate contemplated by Congress. I don't think SCOTUS would intervene lightly, but in a case of obvious abuse they can and likely would.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 09:28:01 PM
I’m not sure declaring a national emergency is gonna be sufficient to survive a 9th circuit injunction. To be on the safe side, Trump should just declare war on Mexico tomorrow. Then he can the military to build the wall in a jif. Probably a moat, too.
The way you're talking, it makes it seem like you believe the 9th Cir. would be wrong to enjoin such a Presidential action. Is that the case?

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I'm actually not sure. It might depend upon the basis for the national emergency and where the funds are pulled from.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 09:29:05 PM
Its hard for me to imagine that Trump taking action to enforce US law at the border regardless of how much that slows traffic would be something the Supremes would rule against but law is not really my thing.
It's not hard for me to imagine. The President was given that power via an Act of Congress long ago. The question is whether the (future) invocation of those powers falls within the mandate contemplated by Congress. I don't think SCOTUS would intervene lightly, but in a case of obvious abuse they can and likely would.

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well you would know
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
I’m not sure declaring a national emergency is gonna be sufficient to survive a 9th circuit injunction. To be on the safe side, Trump should just declare war on Mexico tomorrow. Then he can the military to build the wall in a jif. Probably a moat, too.
The way you're talking, it makes it seem like you believe the 9th Cir. would be wrong to enjoin such a Presidential action. Is that the case?

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I'm actually not sure. It might depend upon the basis for the national emergency and where the funds are pulled from.

The fact that you can't name the basis of calling a national emergency might indicate it's not much of a national emergency but you know...Trump knows best.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 07, 2019, 09:56:57 PM
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/1/7/18172559/trump-ex-presidents-border-wall

why does he lie about everything
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 10:02:07 PM
I don’t pretend to be a legal expert on all things. I think a very plausible case can be made that this invasion does constitute a national emergency. The question is whether that will enable Trump to draw on sufficient funds to commence construction. That’s very uncertain.

Some issues are relatively easy. Others aren’t. The laws here (there are many) are unclear. You can bet some extremely bright and knowledgeable lawyers on his team have been studying this issue for some time. Anybody who claims to be sure they know how such a strategy would end up (other than the 9th Circ injunction - of that you can be sure) is talking out of his ass - especially in the Pit.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 10:04:39 PM
Back to laughing about Trump and the liberals losing their effing minds about Trump, how utterly amazing would it be for Trump to don a hard hat and shovel and make his address a groundbreaking ceremony? Won’t happen, but damn that’s make for an enjoyable 24 hours of screetching rage on CNN.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:08:24 PM
Back to laughing about Trump and the liberals losing their effing minds about Trump, how utterly amazing would it be for Trump to don a hard hat and shovel and make his address a groundbreaking ceremony? Won’t happen, but damn that’s make for an enjoyable 24 hours of screetching rage on CNN.

i feel bad that your only hopes remaining for Trump is how much he can enrage the other side....#1America kdub.  ...we're all on the same side!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 07, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
I don’t pretend to be a legal expert on all things. I think a very plausible case can be made that this invasion does constitute a national emergency. The question is whether that will enable Trump to draw on sufficient funds to commence construction. That’s very uncertain.

Some issues are relatively easy. Others aren’t. The laws here (there are many) are unclear. You can bet some extremely bright and knowledgeable lawyers on his team have been studying this issue for some time. Anybody who claims to be sure they know how such a strategy would end up (other than the 9th Circ injunction - of that you can be sure) is talking out of his ass - especially in the Pit.
I'm on record saying the travel ban was within the President's purview. So, I'm not some Anti-Trump stooge. In fact, I caught tons of heat from the resident libbots for it.

I think your reserved approach here betrays the fact that you know in your heart of hearts that Trump would be wrong to pursue this strategy, legally.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:11:05 PM
I don’t pretend to be a legal expert on all things. I think a very plausible case can be made that this invasion does constitute a national emergency. The question is whether that will enable Trump to draw on sufficient funds to commence construction. That’s very uncertain.

Some issues are relatively easy. Others aren’t. The laws here (there are many) are unclear. You can bet some extremely bright and knowledgeable lawyers on his team have been studying this issue for some time. Anybody who claims to be sure they know how such a strategy would end up (other than the 9th Circ injunction - of that you can be sure) is talking out of his ass - especially in the Pit.

gosh darned checks and balances!!!!  :curse: :curse:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 07, 2019, 10:12:39 PM
#1America kdub.  ...we're all on the same side!

No, we’re not. We’d all be a lot better off if we accepted it and got out of this relationship.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:14:09 PM
#1America kdub.  ...we're all on the same side!

No, we’re not. We’d all be a lot better off if we accepted it and got out of this relationship.

Can I bring Mahomes to the PNW?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 07, 2019, 10:14:20 PM
have i made it clear that i dont think Trump can say national emergency and build a wall, im saying he can say national emergency and close the border?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 10:21:04 PM
I don’t pretend to be a legal expert on all things. I think a very plausible case can be made that this invasion does constitute a national emergency. The question is whether that will enable Trump to draw on sufficient funds to commence construction. That’s very uncertain.

Some issues are relatively easy. Others aren’t. The laws here (there are many) are unclear. You can bet some extremely bright and knowledgeable lawyers on his team have been studying this issue for some time. Anybody who claims to be sure they know how such a strategy would end up (other than the 9th Circ injunction - of that you can be sure) is talking out of his ass - especially in the Pit.
I'm on record saying the travel ban was within the President's purview. So, I'm not some Anti-Trump stooge. In fact, I caught tons of heat from the resident libbots for it.

I think your reserved approach here betrays the fact that you know in your heart of hearts that Trump would be wrong to pursue this strategy, legally.

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The travel ban was an easy call. So congrats? This one isn’t. That’s why I’m reserved.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 07, 2019, 10:23:45 PM
Back to laughing about Trump and the liberals losing their effing minds about Trump, how utterly amazing would it be for Trump to don a hard hat and shovel and make his address a groundbreaking ceremony? Won’t happen, but damn that’s make for an enjoyable 24 hours of screetching rage on CNN.

i feel bad that your only hopes remaining for Trump is how much he can enrage the other side....#1America kdub.  ...we're all on the same side!

Sigh. Why do I even bother responding? As I’ve explained before, it possible to be glad Trump won while at the same time acknowledging and laughing at his Trumpisms while at the same time laughing at the liberal freak out. Because I’m not a brain dead lemming liberal.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 07, 2019, 10:27:54 PM
“This invasion”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 07, 2019, 10:32:43 PM
Back to laughing about Trump and the liberals losing their effing minds about Trump, how utterly amazing would it be for Trump to don a hard hat and shovel and make his address a groundbreaking ceremony? Won’t happen, but damn that’s make for an enjoyable 24 hours of screetching rage on CNN.

i feel bad that your only hopes remaining for Trump is how much he can enrage the other side....#1America kdub.  ...we're all on the same side!

Sigh. Why do I even bother responding? As I’ve explained before, it possible to be glad Trump won while at the same time acknowledging and laughing at his Trumpisms while at the same time laughing at the liberal freak out. Because I’m not a brain dead lemming liberal.

Are there liberals that are not brain dead lemmings though?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 07:18:05 AM
Back to laughing about Trump and the liberals losing their effing minds about Trump, how utterly amazing would it be for Trump to don a hard hat and shovel and make his address a groundbreaking ceremony? Won’t happen, but damn that’s make for an enjoyable 24 hours of screetching rage on CNN.

i feel bad that your only hopes remaining for Trump is how much he can enrage the other side....#1America kdub.  ...we're all on the same side!

Sigh. Why do I even bother responding? As I’ve explained before, it possible to be glad Trump won while at the same time acknowledging and laughing at his Trumpisms while at the same time laughing at the liberal freak out. Because I’m not a brain dead lemming liberal.

Are there liberals that are not brain dead lemmings though?

Of course. Just not here that I’ve seen.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 08:16:35 AM
It's the pit son....I assumed everybody was playing a role. wait, you are serious? Ohhhhhhhh.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 10:23:17 AM
check mate libtards

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 08, 2019, 10:28:35 AM
good find, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
Libbots against anything where the X axis to bigger than the y axis I think. Remember, guns was the X a is in the guns vs butter econ 101 class.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
"many people are saying that was the greestest speech from the oval office ever. Big wall necessary. National EMERGENCY. Maybe. In a couple days"

Future Trump tweet.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 08, 2019, 10:36:32 AM
check mate libtards

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 11:37:57 AM
check mate libtards

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that's adorable
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 11:38:43 AM
In reading then Sen. Obama's comments on immigration . . . I  hadn't realized just how completely current LibBot nation was rebuking the Obama legacy, that being Barrack "The Deporter in Chief" Obama

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2019, 11:42:00 AM
Dax when I went home to Salina for Christmas I saw my favorite Salina resident with his Hilary for Prison 2019 sign on the Magnolia Street overpass. Glad you are back.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 08, 2019, 11:43:20 AM
In reading then Sen. Obama's comments on immigration . . . I  hadn't realized just how completely current LibBot nation was rebuking the Obama legacy, that being Barrack "The Deporter in Chief" Obama



And you ddn't realize how much you loved his policies!!!

 :ksu:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
In reading then Sen. Obama's comments on immigration . . . I  hadn't realized just how completely current LibBot nation was rebuking the Obama legacy, that being Barrack "The Deporter in Chief" Obama

it's like watching Willie Mays with the Mets
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 11:48:18 AM
In reading then Sen. Obama's comments on immigration . . . I  hadn't realized just how completely current LibBot nation was rebuking the Obama legacy, that being Barrack "The Deporter in Chief" Obama



And you ddn't realize how much you loved his policies!!!

 :ksu:

It's just a shame LibBots didn't rebuke the entire presidency, but Pro-Tip, then Sen. Obama's comments were not policy.  Always here to help you out.



Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 11:55:21 AM
It's just a shame Trump's rubes don't understand he doesn't care one bit about the wall or border security. This was the 3 word chant that was the loudest with his rally meatheads so what better way to distract them from.everything else?

If he cared he would have done it right away when he had everybody on his side (whoops failed then too) and he wouldn't have illegals working at all his organizations.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
It's just a shame Trump's rubes don't understand he doesn't care one bit about the wall or border security. This was the 3 word chant that was the loudest with his rally meatheads so what better way to distract them from.everything else?

If he cared he would have done it right away when he had everybody on his side (whoops failed then too) and he wouldn't have illegals working at all his organizations.


Shhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
It's just a shame LibBot Nation believes Chuckie and Nancy actually care about the plight and life of these people outside of their hope that they'll be able to make them Insta Democrat Voters.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 08, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
Good point. Declaring an emergency is definitely a cave.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 08, 2019, 01:05:10 PM
In reading then Sen. Obama's comments on immigration . . . I  hadn't realized just how completely current LibBot nation was rebuking the Obama legacy, that being Barrack "The Deporter in Chief" Obama



And you ddn't realize how much you loved his policies!!!

 :ksu:

It's just a shame LibBots didn't rebuke the entire presidency, but Pro-Tip, then Sen. Obama's comments were not policy.  Always here to help you out.

i foolishly made the assumption that "deporter in chief" didn't apply to his senate career...

sorry
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 08, 2019, 01:14:37 PM
Obama was initially against gay marriage too, right? Can’t believe the gay-loving libtards would besmirch his legacy like that!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 01:18:24 PM
Obama was initially against gay marriage too, right? Can’t believe the gay-loving libtards would besmirch his legacy like that!

In other words, saying whatever was politically expedient in order to appeal to an electorate

Again, just a SMDH situation that LibBots think that somehow they hold the higher moral ground when LibBot Nation's leaders only care about one thing . . . more "D" voters on the rolls.    LibBot Nation's leadership is a zero eff's given relative to the actual lives of those people, and sadly are clearly signaling that in this case they're not rebuking the policies of their hero . . . who couldn't get enough of Central American thug dictators.


Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 08, 2019, 02:38:12 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 02:40:40 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 02:41:50 PM
Obama was initially against gay marriage too, right? Can’t believe the gay-loving libtards would besmirch his legacy like that!

In other words, saying whatever was politically expedient in order to appeal to an electorate

Again, just a SMDH situation that LibBots think that somehow they hold the higher moral ground when LibBot Nation's leaders only care about one thing . . . more "D" voters on the rolls.    LibBot Nation's leadership is a zero eff's given relative to the actual lives of those people, and sadly are clearly signaling that in this case they're not rebuking the policies of their hero . . . who couldn't get enough of Central American thug dictators.

Why would new voters be Ds Dax? 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 08, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
At this point, everything Trump does looks like a cave.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 08, 2019, 04:41:31 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwZ0LsDXQAALZm0.jpg)

Two walls!!!   :emawkid:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 08, 2019, 05:18:31 PM
I don’t believe your facts
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 05:18:48 PM
How many guys did it take to pull off 9-11?  11 or 12?

Hey remember that wall Clinton built between the FBI and Intelligence on terror investigations . . . SMDH, sad.

I also bet the anyone intending to do a terrorist act completely avoids those vast corridors where the "border" is a 3 foot high steel rail  in the middle of nowhere.   Those terrorists, kinda dumb ya know.



Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 08, 2019, 05:30:48 PM
Dax, aren't you an "9/11 was an inside job" guy?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 05:33:06 PM
Dax, aren't you an "9/11 was an inside job" guy?

How about a helped by the intelligence entity of a nation state guy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 08, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
I don’t believe your facts
MSN :jerk:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 05:49:03 PM
I know you guys are never long on any facts besides what you glean off of Twitter  :jerk: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :ROFL: or what gets spoon fed to you by your highly selected favorite sources.

There's 3 lists for "persons of interest" from an identified country of interest (or concern).

In 10 years 45K were actually "caught" at the borders from at least one list and over 4K who made all 3 lists.

The more ya know . . . and hey so far zero terrorist attacks by people from countries of interests who were caught crossing the border, so great news for the future. 

No terrorists (yet) but lots of human trafficking,  heroin etc. etc. and that's okay..

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 08, 2019, 05:54:16 PM
I don’t believe your facts
MSN :jerk:

They got their numbers from Customs and Border Protection  :dunno:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 08, 2019, 06:04:12 PM
Dax, aren't you an "9/11 was an inside job" guy?

How about a helped by the intelligence entity of a nation state guy.
Ooh, which one?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
This speech is going to be a rube symphony
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 06:08:57 PM
I know you guys are never long on any facts besides what you glean off of Twitter  :jerk: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :ROFL: or what gets spoon fed to you by your highly selected favorite sources.

There's 3 lists for "persons of interest" from an identified country of interest (or concern).

In 10 years 45K were actually "caught" at the borders from at least one list and over 4K who made all 3 lists.

The more ya know . . . and hey so far zero terrorist attacks by people from countries of interests who were caught crossing the border, so great news for the future. 

No terrorists (yet) but lots of human trafficking,  heroin etc. etc. and that's okay..

Facts contain sources dax.....and let's not leave out elements like "caught at airports" not caught at the southern land border....but these smart terriorists you were praising earlier definitely wouldn't try and come through legal entry points and get caught.

Risk management isnt a strong suit of the Trump nation is it?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 08, 2019, 06:13:12 PM
 Number of times mentioned:

Drugs
Terrorists
MS 13
Rapists
9/11
Al Queda
Isis
Cartels
Coyotes
Trafficking
Disease

Double rube points:
Polio
osama bin laden
Aliens (space)
Tunnels
Plague
Enraged
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Tubesock on January 08, 2019, 06:18:34 PM
Number of times mentioned:

Drugs
Terrorists
MS 13
Rapists
9/11
Al Queda
Isis
Cartels
Coyotes
Trafficking
Disease

Double rube points:
Polio
osama bin laden
Aliens (space)
Tunnels
Plague

enraged
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 08, 2019, 06:23:42 PM
I know you guys are never long on any facts besides what you glean off of Twitter  :jerk: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :ROFL: or what gets spoon fed to you by your highly selected favorite sources.

There's 3 lists for "persons of interest" from an identified country of interest (or concern).

In 10 years 45K were actually "caught" at the borders from at least one list and over 4K who made all 3 lists.

The more ya know . . . and hey so far zero terrorist attacks by people from countries of interests who were caught crossing the border, so great news for the future. 

No terrorists (yet) but lots of human trafficking,  heroin etc. etc. and that's okay..

Hypothetical

You are a terrorist attempting to enter US.

Which border do you attempt to cross?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 08, 2019, 07:28:50 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 08, 2019, 07:51:11 PM
 :bwpopcorn:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 08:59:51 PM
lmao


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 09:04:28 PM
Mixed bag tonight. Trump’s speech writers went for “presidential.” It doesn’t wear well in him. They mostly took the Trump out of Trump. He was calm and measured but the speech needed more passion.

He laid out a pretty good case for the illegal immigration crisis, but largely ignored the details of the shutdown. He missed an opportunity to counter the media narrative blaming him for the shutdown by pointing out that the house passed a CR keeping the government open, but Senate Dems filibustered it simply over the wall finding. It is that Dem filibuster that caused the shutdown.

The speech built momentum towards the end, especially as he pointed the hypocrisy of open borders liberals living behind walls themselves, and all the victims of illegal immigrant violent criminals and drugs.

As for the Dems, the picture was worth way more than anything they said....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb4BTHXgAApDe6?format=jpg&name=medium)

:lol: It’s like a real life political cartoon. Whoever staged that presentation needs to be fired immediately.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 08, 2019, 09:09:42 PM
?s=21


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 08, 2019, 09:11:12 PM
I know you guys are never long on any facts besides what you glean off of Twitter  :jerk: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :ROFL: or what gets spoon fed to you by your highly selected favorite sources.

There's 3 lists for "persons of interest" from an identified country of interest (or concern).

In 10 years 45K were actually "caught" at the borders from at least one list and over 4K who made all 3 lists.

The more ya know . . . and hey so far zero terrorist attacks by people from countries of interests who were caught crossing the border, so great news for the future. 

No terrorists (yet) but lots of human trafficking,  heroin etc. etc. and that's okay..

Facts contain sources dax.....and let's not leave out elements like "caught at airports" not caught at the southern land border....but these smart terriorists you were praising earlier definitely wouldn't try and come through legal entry points and get caught.

Risk management isnt a strong suit of the Trump nation is it?

Every time I come back you make even less sense then the last time I was here.

Straight from the DHS: Last year at the Southern border, DHS encountered 3,000 people special interest aliens aka people with suspicious travel patterns too and from locales that are known terrorist enclaves.   That doesn't make them terrorists, but they have to be investigated. 

I have no idea WTF you're talking about in terms of risk management, when is DHS not in the risk management business?   But by all means lets continue to have a 3 foot high steel rail across much of the border with a country that's largely controlled by some of the worlds largest drug cartels.   Let's continue that practice while Dems continue to coddle Central American thugs just like their hero did.



Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 09:20:38 PM
Also very happy Trump didn’t fold tonight declaring a national emergency for the 9th circuit to enjoin. He’s going to fight. Border security is the winning hand, even with the media playing dealer, IF the Pubs hold together. That’s a huge if.

Also, there was nothing really newsworthy about tonight. The media got played for prime time campaigning.

Again though, biggest takeaway from tonight....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb4BTHXgAApDe6?format=jpg&name=medium)

Holy crap. Those frowns are like an SNL parody.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 09:22:32 PM
Also very happy Trump didn’t fold tonight declaring a national emergency for the 9th circuit to enjoin. He’s going to fight. Border security is the winning hand, even with the media playing dealer, IF the Pubs hold together. That’s a huge if.


so wait...you aren't a trump guy but this is a big win for trump and you just want the other republicans to toe his line?  Weird.

Did people really watch this address?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 09:28:22 PM
Also very happy Trump didn’t fold tonight declaring a national emergency for the 9th circuit to enjoin. He’s going to fight. Border security is the winning hand, even with the media playing dealer, IF the Pubs hold together. That’s a huge if.


so wait...you aren't a trump guy but this is a big win for trump and you just want the other republicans to toe his line?  Weird.

Did people really watch this address?

Again, dumbass, I can support Trump and/or the policies he advances while acknowledging his shortcomings. I’ve said this many many times and it really isn’t that hard to understand. I guess pragmatism is hard to grasp in the pit. I support stronger border security, including more physical barriers, so I generally support Trump’s goals if not always his execution. I’m not sure this is a “big win” for Trump or the pubs, but it’s a nice start. And I’m still extremely skeptical the pubs won’t faceplant politically, because they usually do on immigration by not uniting behind stronger border enforcement.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 08, 2019, 09:28:52 PM
True Trumpers follow orders and watched.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 09:34:05 PM
I know you guys are never long on any facts besides what you glean off of Twitter  :jerk: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :ROFL: or what gets spoon fed to you by your highly selected favorite sources.

There's 3 lists for "persons of interest" from an identified country of interest (or concern).

In 10 years 45K were actually "caught" at the borders from at least one list and over 4K who made all 3 lists.

The more ya know . . . and hey so far zero terrorist attacks by people from countries of interests who were caught crossing the border, so great news for the future. 

No terrorists (yet) but lots of human trafficking,  heroin etc. etc. and that's okay..

Facts contain sources dax.....and let's not leave out elements like "caught at airports" not caught at the southern land border....but these smart terriorists you were praising earlier definitely wouldn't try and come through legal entry points and get caught.

Risk management isnt a strong suit of the Trump nation is it?

Every time I come back you make even less sense then the last time I was here.

Straight from the DHS: Last year at the Southern border, DHS encountered 3,000 people special interest aliens aka people with suspicious travel patterns too and from locales that are known terrorist enclaves.   That doesn't make them terrorists, but they have to be investigated. 

Since dax can't post links (old) here is this administration presser released to back this circus up
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/07/mythfact-known-and-suspected-terroristsspecial-interest-aliens


Quote
I have no idea WTF you're talking about in terms of risk management, when is DHS not in the risk management business?   But by all means lets continue to have a 3 foot high steel rail across much of the border with a country that's largely controlled by some of the worlds largest drug cartels.   Let's continue that practice while Dems continue to coddle Central American thugs just like their hero did.

The areas with a 3 foot high steel rail aren't where people/drugs/terrorists are coming in but by all means, go build a 20 foot wall there.  We waste money all the time...every party owns that.

this is such a dumb argument I can't believe adult people are so passionate about it. It's like Trump has nudes of every one of you rubes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 09:38:49 PM
Also very happy Trump didn’t fold tonight declaring a national emergency for the 9th circuit to enjoin. He’s going to fight. Border security is the winning hand, even with the media playing dealer, IF the Pubs hold together. That’s a huge if.


so wait...you aren't a trump guy but this is a big win for trump and you just want the other republicans to toe his line?  Weird.

Did people really watch this address?

Again, dumbass, I can support Trump and/or the policies he advances while acknowledging his shortcomings. I’ve said this many many times and it really isn’t that hard to understand. I guess pragmatism is hard to grasp in the pit. I support stronger border security, including more physical barriers, so I generally support Trump’s goals if not always his execution. I’m not sure this is a “big win” for Trump or the pubs, but it’s a nice start. And I’m still extremely skeptical the pubs won’t faceplant politically, because they usually do on immigration by not uniting behind stronger border enforcement.

so namecall'y...glad you and your team had a nice night tonight with your wall and the speech. 

I agree the Dem response looked LOLable.  I would have let Trump flail on his own, no reason for a "response" especially if it looked like your screenshot.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 09:48:58 PM
They should have put Occasional Cortex up there, even if she does speak like a 7yo. Better optics at least. I’m surprised they couldn’t find an MS13 gang member for the anti-border control response.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 08, 2019, 09:49:47 PM
Chancy looked really small and petty in their rebuttal, I dont think they will last to the next pay period.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2019, 09:55:07 PM
The Dems making a fiscal responsibility argument about $5B makes me chortle. It should be clear that they only #resist it because Trump wants it. I don't see either side budging. As KSUW said, pub congressmen are the most likely to budge, which would only further fracture the party. I don't care whether they add some fencing. Or not. Whatever man. And this shutdown hasn't yet and is unlikely to affect me. Both sides are babies who think we are gullible rubes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 08, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
Chancy not saying we will not fund a wall on national TV tonight speaks volumes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 08, 2019, 10:09:02 PM
They should have put Occasional Cortex up there, even if she does speak like a 7yo. Better optics at least. I’m surprised they couldn’t find an MS13 gang member for the anti-border control response.

You're smart enough to know that MS-13 is an American gang, right?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 10:15:38 PM
They should have put Occasional Cortex up there, even if she does speak like a 7yo. Better optics at least. I’m surprised they couldn’t find an MS13 gang member for the anti-border control response.

You're smart enough to know that MS-13 is an American gang, right?

You might want to google search that, jeffe.

Or here. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-ms-13/2018/06/29/5860f1c4-7b17-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-ms-13/2018/06/29/5860f1c4-7b17-11e8-93cc-6d3beccdd7a3_story.html)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 08, 2019, 10:17:13 PM
They should have put Occasional Cortex up there, even if she does speak like a 7yo. Better optics at least. I’m surprised they couldn’t find an MS13 gang member for the anti-border control response.

You're smart enough to know that MS-13 is an American gang, right?
and if he has studied the history of that gang he knows that your point is pointless.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 08, 2019, 10:25:35 PM
The liberal pitrs seem to be flailing more than usual tonight. Seems this address has them a bit unsettled. They’ll regroup tomorrow with a fresh batch of jouro tweets. Just say your mantra and take deep breaths “but Trump said Mexico would pay for it, but Trump said Mexico would pay for it.”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 08, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
I forgot to watch
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 08, 2019, 10:29:35 PM
considering that MS-13 have been in America for about 4 decades now, the point is that portraying an MS-13 member automatically as an illegal immigrant is incredibly naive (and racist too).
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 08, 2019, 10:34:45 PM
posting tweets is bad message boarding and should be frowned upon
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 08, 2019, 10:37:09 PM
considering that MS-13 have been in America for about 4 decades now, the point is that portraying an MS-13 member automatically as an illegal immigrant is incredibly naive (and racist too).

first of all nobody cares, 2nd 93% of ms-13 gang members that are arrested are illegal aliens, and 3rd nobody gives a eff.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 08, 2019, 10:42:53 PM
The liberal pitrs seem to be flailing more than usual tonight. Seems this address has them a bit unsettled. They’ll regroup tomorrow with a fresh batch of jouro tweets. Just say your mantra and take deep breaths “but Trump said Mexico would pay for it, but Trump said Mexico would pay for it.”

10 of 18 posts from end of 'speech' to this post ITT was from dax/gato/kdub  :flush:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 08, 2019, 10:46:29 PM

MS-13 would certainly have no interest in keeping the border porous.

Membership: 8,000–10,000 (U.S.); 30,000–50,000 (worldwide)
Headquarters location: El Salvador
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 08, 2019, 10:48:37 PM
That's a lot of lake houses
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 08, 2019, 11:37:48 PM
The Dems making a fiscal responsibility argument about $5B makes me chortle. It should be clear that they only #resist it because Trump wants it. I don't see either side budging. As KSUW said, pub congressmen are the most likely to budge, which would only further fracture the party. I don't care whether they add some fencing. Or not. Whatever man. And this shutdown hasn't yet and is unlikely to affect me. Both sides are babies who think we are gullible rubes.

and you want people to believe you're not a trumpalo.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 08, 2019, 11:43:29 PM
The Dems making a fiscal responsibility argument about $5B makes me chortle. It should be clear that they only #resist it because Trump wants it. I don't see either side budging. As KSUW said, pub congressmen are the most likely to budge, which would only further fracture the party. I don't care whether they add some fencing. Or not. Whatever man. And this shutdown hasn't yet and is unlikely to affect me. Both sides are babies who think we are gullible rubes.

and you want people to believe you're not a trumpalo.
Believe what you want, sys. I don't care what you think about anything, frankly.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 08, 2019, 11:55:55 PM
?s=21
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 09, 2019, 12:14:40 AM
OUT!!!  :shakesfist:
Title: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 09, 2019, 06:38:40 AM
I forgot to watch

Same.

Also, though, I’ve stopped caring about anything Trump says because he seems equally likely to do the opposite a few weeks later.

Do we not have a master thread for times Trump changed his mind? The 30 day troop withdrawal is top of mind for me.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2019, 07:07:52 AM
Sounds like a vote for cave.

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After the January 8 Oval Office address, little doubt remains of how this shutdown will end. Sooner or later—probably sooner—it will end the way Trump’s threats of nuclear war upon North Korea ended: with a sudden Trump about-face. It is now only a matter of time. The polls will arrive over the next hours. Democrats and Republicans will both see that Trump did not move public opinion in his favor. They might see that Trump could not even motivate very many Americans to watch him. The panic slowly building among congressional Republicans will boil. Trump, trapped without a decent exit in a predicament of his own making, will yield everything and get nothing.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 09, 2019, 07:34:53 AM
They should have put Occasional Cortex up there, even if she does speak like a 7yo. Better optics at least. I’m surprised they couldn’t find an MS13 gang member for the anti-border control response.

oh crap
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 09, 2019, 08:56:32 AM
The liberal pitrs seem to be flailing more than usual tonight. Seems this address has them a bit unsettled. They’ll regroup tomorrow with a fresh batch of jouro tweets. Just say your mantra and take deep breaths “but Trump said Mexico would pay for it, but Trump said Mexico would pay for it.”

I like how the people who bit the biggest on Trump's lies also use them as ammo against their opponents.  Pretty impressive what he has done to the GOP
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 09, 2019, 09:35:41 AM
It was just a campaign boast, chicat
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 09:45:20 AM
and you want people to believe you're not a trumpalo.
Believe what you want, sys. I don't care what you think about anything, frankly.

your argument is not with the mirror, my friend.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
I forgot to watch

Same.

Also, though, I’ve stopped caring about anything Trump says because he seems equally likely to do the opposite a few weeks later.

Do we not have a master thread for times Trump changed his mind? The 30 day troop withdrawal is top of mind for me.

No one watched
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Brock Landers on January 09, 2019, 12:10:42 PM
I forgot to watch

Same.

Also, though, I’ve stopped caring about anything Trump says because he seems equally likely to do the opposite a few weeks later.

Do we not have a master thread for times Trump changed his mind? The 30 day troop withdrawal is top of mind for me.

No one watched

Some are saying his address was the most watched Presidential address in history.  So many people wanted to see him speak about the Wall.  The ratings are tremendous.  Big, beautiful ratings!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 09, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
It was on 4 TVs with no sound in the empty gym when I went in.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 09, 2019, 12:52:02 PM
lmao

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jr-zoo-analogy-defend-border-wall-instagram-post/
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 02:35:48 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
i know an illegal immigrant who wanted to return home (mexico) last year and decided not to because she didn't want to risk being arrested (i don't know if that was a realistic fear or not.  neither did she, but she also didn't know how to research it and chose not to take the risk that it was).

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 09, 2019, 02:51:07 PM
Oh crap.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 09, 2019, 02:52:56 PM

 :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 09, 2019, 03:01:29 PM
the deal master
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 09, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
Oh crap.


Cant get enough of that picture.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Brock Landers on January 09, 2019, 03:58:20 PM
Keep clinging to that, it's all you've got at this point.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 09, 2019, 04:02:59 PM
 
the deal master

Lolz
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
pence is really good at making sure his sex face is on for photos.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 09, 2019, 04:11:27 PM
this was my favorite chuck and nancy.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 09, 2019, 04:40:40 PM
(https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-09-at-1.49.15-PM.png?resize=768%2C408&ssl=1)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-08-at-6.53.44-PM.png?resize=768%2C579&ssl=1)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2019/01/Screen-Shot-2019-01-08-at-7.09.20-PM.png?resize=768%2C928&ssl=1)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 09, 2019, 05:24:51 PM
I'm happy for kdub here...he needed this.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 09, 2019, 06:45:19 PM
pence is really good at making sure his sex face is on for photos.



real ones remember

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/a/a5/Imagepreston.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20140718164523)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 09, 2019, 08:31:36 PM
They should have put Occasional Cortex up there, even if she does speak like a 7yo. Better optics at least. I’m surprised they couldn’t find an MS13 gang member for the anti-border control response.

oh crap


omfg :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 09, 2019, 11:33:47 PM
I’m still dealing with it


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 10, 2019, 06:44:18 AM
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was true. Cucks, etc.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 10, 2019, 07:56:40 AM
Physical barriers work guys

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna956856?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 10, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 10, 2019, 08:00:39 AM
I lol for real
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 09:27:46 AM
Heh - a genuinely good liberal meme. Don’t see many of those.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 10, 2019, 10:04:10 AM
Russians are great memers so pubs have a natural advantage.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
Russians are great memers so pubs have a natural advantage.

I suspect my favorite memes are all made in the USA.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
Well, it was only a matter of time before somebody put a lit together like this.

https://news.grabien.com/story-things-democrats-have-funded-cost-more-border-wall (https://news.grabien.com/story-things-democrats-have-funded-cost-more-border-wall)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 10:32:57 AM
they should just give him some money to start on his little toy. it's going to be a great physical monument to his run as president.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 10, 2019, 10:33:20 AM
Well, it was only a matter of time before somebody put a lit together like this.

https://news.grabien.com/story-things-democrats-have-funded-cost-more-border-wall (https://news.grabien.com/story-things-democrats-have-funded-cost-more-border-wall)

What a stupid list.  Small communities don't appreciate internet enough?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 10:50:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwkHFSSVsAEXts_.jpg:large)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 10, 2019, 11:18:36 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 11:31:03 AM

So we've got FBI agents in debt up their eyeballs living paycheck to paycheck? What could go wrong there? :flush: Sounds like we need to make Financial Peace University mandatory for government employment.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 11:32:15 AM
they should just give him some money to start on his little toy. it's going to be a great physical monument to his run as president.

no.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 10, 2019, 11:46:36 AM

So we've got FBI agents in debt up their eyeballs living paycheck to paycheck? What could go wrong there? :flush: Sounds like we need to make Financial Peace University mandatory for government employment.
4 out 5 full time employed people report that they live paycheck to paycheck. Let’s say that figure is severely exaggerated, and it’s only 50%. I assume most FBI agents are highly educated, so they came out of school with $100k+ in debt and live in an expensive city...nothing is surprising about FBI agents living paycheck to paycheck
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 11:48:13 AM
they should just give him some money to start on his little toy. it's going to be a great physical monument to his run as president.

no.

But just think if it was built what a great opportunity it would present for liberals to travel to the border to take videos of themselves screaming at it, peeing on it, spray painting mean things about Trump on it, etc. Could be very cathartic plus a nice tourism boost. I guess what I'm saying is don't rule this out without considering all the angles.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 11:49:45 AM
?s=21


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 10, 2019, 11:51:08 AM
A very modular wall that can be adapted for many purposes, like it could retract or be realigned to be helpful if better immigration policies come to be and help to serve field offices at many border spots.  It could also be removed, transported and reused to separate parts of the broken-up usa.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 11:55:15 AM

So we've got FBI agents in debt up their eyeballs living paycheck to paycheck? What could go wrong there? :flush: Sounds like we need to make Financial Peace University mandatory for government employment.
4 out 5 full time employed people report that they live paycheck to paycheck. Let’s say that figure is severely exaggerated, and it’s only 50%. I assume most FBI agents are highly educated, so they came out of school with $100k+ in debt and live in an expensive city...nothing is surprising about FBI agents living paycheck to paycheck

I agree, not all that surprising that Americans are generally way overextended. A little surprising when "smart" people do it because it's a rough ridin' idiotic thing to do. Fortunately, if the student loans are the issue there's the deferment option, but pretty sure the student loans aren't the problem. Buying that nice house in Alexandria might be a bigger problem.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
A very modular wall that can be adapted for many purposes, like it could retract or be realigned to be helpful if better immigration policies come to be and help to serve field offices at many border spots.  It could also be removed, transported and reused to separate parts of the broken-up usa.

Or - OR, a very permanent wall that our next president Alexandria Occasional Cortex could tear down Berlin-wall style! Again, this could be a really nice set up to some very cathartic responses down the road. Just think about it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 10, 2019, 11:58:55 AM
Does kdub know that fbi dudes live all over the country and not just DC?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 12:01:24 PM
Does kdub know that fbi dudes live all over the country and not just DC?

Yeah but just going off the example given above.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 10, 2019, 12:01:57 PM

So we've got FBI agents in debt up their eyeballs living paycheck to paycheck? What could go wrong there? :flush: Sounds like we need to make Financial Peace University mandatory for government employment.
4 out 5 full time employed people report that they live paycheck to paycheck. Let’s say that figure is severely exaggerated, and it’s only 50%. I assume most FBI agents are highly educated, so they came out of school with $100k+ in debt and live in an expensive city...nothing is surprising about FBI agents living paycheck to paycheck

I agree, not all that surprising that Americans are generally way overextended. A little surprising when "smart" people do it because it's a rough ridin' idiotic thing to do. Fortunately, if the student loans are the issue there's the deferment option, but pretty sure the student loans aren't the problem. Buying that nice house in Alexandria might be a bigger problem.

Same dude who went into a rage about not being able to support his family after a $400 yearly tax increase
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 12:02:47 PM
So should I put this here, or in the Liberals Losing Their F'ing Minds Over Trump thread?

http://mynorthwest.com/1237906/was-video-of-president-trumps-tuesday-address-doctored/ (http://mynorthwest.com/1237906/was-video-of-president-trumps-tuesday-address-doctored/)

The video editor "has been placed on leave." :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 10, 2019, 12:05:09 PM
So 21 days is the longest ever, right? Surely Don can last that long before caving.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2019, 12:11:23 PM
You call it a shutdown

I call it the Annual ”Smoke out illiquid government employees stress test”!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 12:12:03 PM
Or - a very permanent wall that our next president Alexandria Occasional Cortex could tear down Berlin-wall style! Again, this could be a really nice set up to some very cathartic responses down the road. Just think about it.

if trump were to be allowed to build a wall, i would vote for aoc if she campaigned on tearing it down.


for that matter, i'd vote for her if she campaigned on tearing down our existing walls, regardless of any trump additions.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on January 10, 2019, 12:16:06 PM
So should I put this here, or in the Liberals Losing Their F'ing Minds Over Trump thread?

http://mynorthwest.com/1237906/was-video-of-president-trumps-tuesday-address-doctored/ (http://mynorthwest.com/1237906/was-video-of-president-trumps-tuesday-address-doctored/)

The video editor "has been placed on leave." :lol:

 :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
Or - a very permanent wall that our next president Alexandria Occasional Cortex could tear down Berlin-wall style! Again, this could be a really nice set up to some very cathartic responses down the road. Just think about it.

if trump were to be allowed to build a wall, i would vote for aoc if she campaigned on tearing it down.


for that matter, i'd vote for her if she campaigned on tearing down our existing walls, regardless of any trump additions.

You and about 20 million other people. Trump would win in a complete landslide. Man, it would be so much easier politically if the Dems just ran on what they truly believe.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
she wouldn't be running against trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 12:29:00 PM
she wouldn't be running against trump.

Matt Yglesias (considered to be one of those "smart" liberals at Vox) thinks she ought to, and "dare the Supreme Court to stop her." LOL

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/12/18134945/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-president (https://www.vox.com/2018/12/12/18134945/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-president)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 12:33:02 PM
it's a fair point that there's a non-zero chance that aoc dares the court to stop her in 2020 or that trump does in 2024.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 10, 2019, 12:37:02 PM

So we've got FBI agents in debt up their eyeballs living paycheck to paycheck? What could go wrong there? :flush: Sounds like we need to make Financial Peace University mandatory for government employment.
4 out 5 full time employed people report that they live paycheck to paycheck. Let’s say that figure is severely exaggerated, and it’s only 50%. I assume most FBI agents are highly educated, so they came out of school with $100k+ in debt and live in an expensive city...nothing is surprising about FBI agents living paycheck to paycheck

I agree, not all that surprising that Americans are generally way overextended. A little surprising when "smart" people do it because it's a rough ridin' idiotic thing to do. Fortunately, if the student loans are the issue there's the deferment option, but pretty sure the student loans aren't the problem. Buying that nice house in Alexandria might be a bigger problem.

Why do you keep acting like this is only an issue if you sympathize for the employees?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 12:37:35 PM
Have you seen trump? He’s not living to 2024.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 12:39:18 PM
are you calling dr. feelgood a liar?
Title: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 12:40:24 PM
lmao

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 12:40:58 PM
are you calling dr. feelgood a liar?

iirc dr. feelgood called dr. feelgood a liar already and I’m just agreeing with him


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 10, 2019, 01:06:46 PM
Well, it was only a matter of time before somebody put a lit together like this.

https://news.grabien.com/story-things-democrats-have-funded-cost-more-border-wall (https://news.grabien.com/story-things-democrats-have-funded-cost-more-border-wall)

Nobody doubts Dems are the spenders....that is why the Rs are a good counterbalance....that has now sadly failed.

Secondly amazing Democrats alone voted for all the things on your list...no Republicans at all huh? Weird.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 01:11:33 PM
Nobody doubts Dems are the spenders....that is why the Rs are a good counterbalance....that has now sadly failed.

The Pubs (as a whole) are not a good counter-balance. They still spend too much. Pairing over-spenders with over-over-spenders is what passes for "balance" in Washington, I guess.

Secondly amazing Democrats alone voted for all the things on your list...no Republicans at all huh? Weird.

That's not the point. The point is the utter hypocrisy and fraud of Dems making a fiscal argument against the wall.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 10, 2019, 01:14:11 PM
Both are spenders, only democrats are payers
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 10, 2019, 01:15:14 PM
I spend thousands of dollars on useful stuff all the time and very little on wasteful crap.  I don't think that's hypocritical.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 10, 2019, 01:23:48 PM
Nobody doubts Dems are the spenders....that is why the Rs are a good counterbalance....that has now sadly failed.

The Pubs (as a whole) are not a good counter-balance. They still spend too much. Pairing over-spenders with over-over-spenders is what passes for "balance" in Washington, I guess.

Secondly amazing Democrats alone voted for all the things on your list...no Republicans at all huh? Weird.

That's not the point. The point is the utter hypocrisy and fraud of Dems making a fiscal argument against the wall.

It's even more hypocritical from the republican "small govt", "we aren't spenders" side to vote for those things in your list and s physical steel whatever it's called.

 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 10, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
Rural Utility Service - the Rural Liberal Elite bilking the system

Forign Aid -  :lol:

Amtrak - Nixon signed the law creating Amtrak
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 10, 2019, 02:57:10 PM
lmao

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roflol
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: IPA4Me on January 10, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
I have to fly quite a bit this spring. I don't need TSA issues. Somebody better cave.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 10, 2019, 04:21:35 PM
I have to fly quite a bit this spring. I don't need TSA issues. Somebody better cave.

Haven’t we paid up TSA all the way through September or something?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: IPA4Me on January 10, 2019, 04:29:17 PM
I have to fly quite a bit this spring. I don't need TSA issues. Somebody better cave.

Haven’t we paid up TSA all the way through September or something?
Better tell the assholes to cut some checks.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 10, 2019, 04:29:59 PM
Haven’t we paid up TSA all the way through September or something?

no.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 10, 2019, 06:25:36 PM
I have to fly quite a bit this spring. I don't need TSA issues. Somebody better cave.

Haven’t we paid up TSA all the way through September or something?

Yeah, all the TSA workers all over the country are calling in sick because there's nothing wrong with their paychecks. good one.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 07:17:06 PM
Prob should also go in the laughing at trump thread

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 10, 2019, 07:18:15 PM
Omg, why is Cruz only now wearing a beard? Looks much less hideous.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 07:20:26 PM
Omg, why is Cruz only now wearing a beard? Looks much less hideous.

Subjective


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 07:21:04 PM
lmao, rough ridin' owned

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 10, 2019, 07:22:39 PM
Holy crap
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Matt Mckee on January 10, 2019, 08:13:47 PM
Invalid Tweet ID?s=21


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 08:18:09 PM
tee it up

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 08:19:06 PM
also lmao at that string of words he lets fall out of his mouth
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 08:24:54 PM
lmao

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 08:26:06 PM
he keeps talking about wheels still working  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 08:28:08 PM
omfg  :lol:

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 08:51:12 PM
haha wut

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 10, 2019, 08:52:20 PM
It's like the portal from stargate
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2019, 08:57:23 PM
That’s a lot of Americans.  Where are they going?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 09:02:03 PM
the good stuff

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 10, 2019, 09:15:42 PM
I just don't understand this one...are we building a wall to keep citizens IN?

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 10, 2019, 09:17:25 PM
I just don't understand this one...are we building a wall to keep citizens IN?


Agreed that it's confusing, but he's referring to heroin.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 10, 2019, 09:20:21 PM
The president of the United States is being dishonest about heroin in his tweet that doesn’t include the word heroin is a thing we have now. So that’s a new thing.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 10, 2019, 09:26:45 PM
He is so rough ridin' stupid and people like Dax and KSUW just eat it up and march with it. I mean seriously, he is so rough ridin' dumb and the Trumpers just eat it up. It’s nuts.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 10, 2019, 09:31:06 PM
Imagine a technology, I'm sure that doesn't exist now, but it might one day, that could I don't know, fly a big box of heroin, say 55 pounds ($5MM street value) remotely from miles away, really high in the air, higher than the proposed steel slat, and deliver said box of heroin.

Not that we can build this beautiful wall for every possible future invention I guess.

(https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/1280x868/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fcurtissilver%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F12%2Fprime-air_02-1200x619.jpg)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 10, 2019, 09:45:55 PM
Boxes of heroin don’t take our jobs Phil
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 10, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
you guys need to towel off your wordholes, you've had quite a day.  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Tubesock on January 10, 2019, 10:14:06 PM
Frothy
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 06:13:27 AM
Quote
If he has to leave the [Federal Bureau of Prisons], we lose 12 years of retirement and a decent income. We would have to move in with his mother and try to get jobs to survive. We would never be able to retire.

We really were supporters of the Trump administration, but Trump’s lack of concern for the American people, people just like us, has caused us to feel that the sooner he leaves the White House, the better off America will be.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 11, 2019, 06:24:44 AM
Found another paycheck to paycheck poor that needs to learn some fiscal responsibility.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 11, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
Just get better jobs idiots
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 07:11:37 AM
if someone were to invent a bot that went out and found "trump voter now suffering for his/her dumbass vote" stories and delivered me one each morning to start the day, they could really charge me whatever subscription fee they wanted.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 08:09:31 AM
if someone were to invent a bot that went out and found "trump voter now suffering for his/her dumbass vote" stories and delivered me one each morning to start the day, they could really charge me whatever subscription fee they wanted.

This twitter feed isn't quite that, but it's something.


https://twitter.com/trump_regrets
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 08:15:49 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 11, 2019, 08:20:29 AM
lol

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 11, 2019, 08:37:21 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:40:21 AM
I know you guys are never long on any facts besides what you glean off of Twitter  :jerk: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :ROFL: or what gets spoon fed to you by your highly selected favorite sources.

There's 3 lists for "persons of interest" from an identified country of interest (or concern).

In 10 years 45K were actually "caught" at the borders from at least one list and over 4K who made all 3 lists.

The more ya know . . . and hey so far zero terrorist attacks by people from countries of interests who were caught crossing the border, so great news for the future. 

No terrorists (yet) but lots of human trafficking,  heroin etc. etc. and that's okay..

Facts contain sources dax.....and let's not leave out elements like "caught at airports" not caught at the southern land border....but these smart terriorists you were praising earlier definitely wouldn't try and come through legal entry points and get caught.

Risk management isnt a strong suit of the Trump nation is it?

Every time I come back you make even less sense then the last time I was here.

Straight from the DHS: Last year at the Southern border, DHS encountered 3,000 people special interest aliens aka people with suspicious travel patterns too and from locales that are known terrorist enclaves.   That doesn't make them terrorists, but they have to be investigated. 

Since dax can't post links (old) here is this administration presser released to back this circus up
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/07/mythfact-known-and-suspected-terroristsspecial-interest-aliens


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I have no idea WTF you're talking about in terms of risk management, when is DHS not in the risk management business?   But by all means lets continue to have a 3 foot high steel rail across much of the border with a country that's largely controlled by some of the worlds largest drug cartels.   Let's continue that practice while Dems continue to coddle Central American thugs just like their hero did.

The areas with a 3 foot high steel rail aren't where people/drugs/terrorists are coming in but by all means, go build a 20 foot wall there.  We waste money all the time...every party owns that.

this is such a dumb argument I can't believe adult people are so passionate about it. It's like Trump has nudes of every one of you rubes.


Lol, they can’t tell if any drugs are coming through the 3 foot high fence locations because there’s never anyone there that’s going to see if it’s happening or not, dummy. 

WaMeGoBro aka non essential Federal employee anecdotally shared an internal safety directive to USGS and USDA employees when they encounter drug smugglers on the border in remote areas . . . regularly.  He said most don’t even report because border patrol/DHS  will never get there in time. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 11, 2019, 08:41:48 AM

Yikes, even republicans have to be uneasy about diverting money that should be going to actual emergencies, right?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 08:42:28 AM

That's obviously going straight in the garbage. Poor rancher guy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 11, 2019, 09:14:49 AM

Yikes, even republicans have to be uneasy about diverting money that should be going to actual emergencies, right?

idk man people are pretty entrenched
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2019, 09:15:20 AM
lol


Shameful. CNN has zero credibility.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2019, 09:22:57 AM
Seems strange that with most of the government still funded we are requiring some essential employees to work without pay, but maybe that’s par for the course with our mumped up federal government? Maybe this would be a good catalyst to increase the privatization of airport security, which is what we should be doing anyway.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 11, 2019, 09:26:07 AM
Seems strange that with most of the government still funded we are requiring some essential employees to work without pay, but maybe that’s par for the course with our mumped up federal government? Maybe this would be a good catalyst to increase the privatization of airport security, which is what we should be doing anyway.

Should let black water or whatever they rebranded as take over airport security.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 09:26:33 AM
Enjoying all the reporters and opinion givers telling us the wall won't work.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
Ouch.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
 :party:

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Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 11:49:47 AM
lmao


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 11, 2019, 11:56:38 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
Kind of sad to see all the angst Libs have about the Gov't Shutdown.   
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2019, 12:57:50 PM

Couldn’t be much clearer that Mexico will give us a check
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 01:02:16 PM
heh.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2019, 01:44:25 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 11, 2019, 02:00:04 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Love this  :)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/424876-san-diego-tv-station-cnn-declined-our-local-view-because-of-reports-on-wall

Adding to what has already been posted . . .

"We have continuously been told by Border Patrol Agents that the barrier along the Southern border helps prevent illegal entries, drugs, and weapons from entering the United States, and the numbers prove it."


Now back to the Libs, "well ya see, that's not what the statistics say ya see, so that's ya know, what does Trump say?  Fake news, yeah, fake news.  Now I'm gonna shuffle some papers around here, and I used to work over at State in a cubicle, and see my paypal link below . . ."
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 11, 2019, 02:26:49 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

I think lying about a $10B expenditure will sway a few.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 05:24:00 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

I think lying about a $10B expenditure will sway a few.

you should cross us pubs up every now and then, mix it up and be right about something, right now you are too predictable
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 11, 2019, 05:25:10 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Then why is Trump going to cave?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2019, 05:53:22 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Then why is Trump going to cave?

He isn’t. At least, not until the congressional pubs cave and betray him first. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 11, 2019, 05:55:16 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

I think lying about a $10B expenditure will sway a few.

First, just because one of your boasts doesn’t pan out doesn’t make it a “lie.” More importantly, how many is a few? You really think there are that many people who were like “oh, well I wouldn’t I ordinarily support building a wall, but as long as Mexico pays for it....”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 11, 2019, 06:01:19 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Then why is Trump going to cave?

He isn’t. At least, not until the congressional pubs cave and betray him first.

He’s going to declare a national emergency so pubs can wash their hands and reopen government while the courts eventually find it unconstitutional. Very much caving.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 06:12:32 PM
either he builds the wall or he doesnt, the latter being failure.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
not to defend trump, but it's not failure.  he's not going to build the wall because he doesn't have the authority to build the wall. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 06:54:19 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Then why is Trump going to cave?

He isn’t. At least, not until the congressional pubs cave and betray him first.

“Betray him” lmao


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 11, 2019, 07:16:41 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Then why is Trump going to cave?

He isn’t. At least, not until the congressional pubs cave and betray him first.

“Betray him” lmao


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Et tu, Jeff Flake?
Et TU, Lindsey?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 07:18:08 PM
So far, the two leading narratives from Dems and the media (but I repeat myself) are:
1. Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
2. The shutdown is hurting the federal bureaucracy.

Neither of those seem like arguments that will sway many Americans.

Then why is Trump going to cave?

He isn’t. At least, not until the congressional pubs cave and betray him first.

“Betray him” lmao


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Et tu, Jeff Flake?
Et TU, Lindsey?

 :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 07:54:04 PM
Lol, yet LibDorks just love Acosta, my gawd CNN is just an embarrassment

?s=21
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 07:58:14 PM
Acosta is a clown but his clown act is enraging the president, president’s family, and president’s fans. He is very good at his clown job.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:10:24 PM
Acosta is a clown but his clown act is enraging the president, president’s family, and president’s fans. He is very good at his clown job.


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Because LibBot Nation including its leadership believes the clown and parrots everything he says. 

The perfect useful idiots
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 08:12:48 PM
Dax, I know. I just posted it.


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Title: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:18:29 PM
That being the Libs as the perfect useful idiots. 

Imagine waking up everyday and having to deal with perpetually enraged mongoloids constantly throwing their feces at every passer by.  This would the description of the modern day lib.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 11, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
wat


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 08:37:38 PM
that guy's "gotcha acosta" list is a list of why a wall is unnecessary.  good job, trumpalo.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
stevedave's guy is a full of crap rabblerouser and stevedave thinks its great because look at him own the pubs, congrats stevedave and down with America amirite!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
that guy's "gotcha acosta" list is a list of why a wall is unnecessary.  good job, trumpalo.

Yes because the entire border has that kind of DHS presence. 

Good gawd you’re an amazing parrot boy WhackADoo
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 08:42:30 PM
ive learned all I need to know about geAntiTrumpers in this thread  :Yuck:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 08:44:38 PM
it's patrolled enough that most people crossing are paying a coyote 5-10k to get across.  building a wall might raise the cost a little more, but not much.  the place is a rough ridin' militarized zone.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 08:47:55 PM
suprised sys isnt drowning us in polls about the shutdown, must not have any good ones, nate silver on vacation?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
it's patrolled enough that most people crossing are paying a coyote 5-10k to get across.  building a wall might raise the cost a little more, but not much.  the place is a rough ridin' militarized zone.

I guess you missed my post about the Internal USGS/USDA directive to near border employees to not approach border crossers because of the possible ties to drug cartels and non availability of DHS assets to arrive in a timely manner.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
they aren't paying 5-10k to dudes that aren't scary as eff and/or can't pay for a little bp non availability, dax.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
suprised sys isnt drowning us in polls about the shutdown, must not have any good ones, nate silver on vacation?

there haven't been many polls because there aren't any elections coming up.  the polling that has been done shows a little movement towards blaming trump, but not much.  as you'd expect, 'pubs like that trump hasn't caved and dems like that pelosi hasn't caved.  i'll look for a tweet with the polls and post it, but it's not that interesting.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 09:14:13 PM
suprised sys isnt drowning us in polls about the shutdown, must not have any good ones, nate silver on vacation?

there haven't been many polls because there aren't any elections coming up.  the polling that has been done shows a little movement towards blaming trump, but not much.  as you'd expect, 'pubs like that trump hasn't caved and dems like that pelosi hasn't caved.  i'll look for a tweet with the polls and post it, but it's not that interesting.

i'm anxiously waiting
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 09:21:06 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 09:24:13 PM
 :runaway:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
trump has handled most of the shutdown like a complete idiot, but he picked the timing well.  in two years none of the voters will remember any of this, so polls are pretty irrelevant.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 11, 2019, 10:54:53 PM
trump has handled most of the shutdown like a complete idiot, but he picked the timing well.  in two years none of the voters will remember any of this, so polls are pretty irrelevant.

What do you think he handled worse, the shutdown or the anthem protests?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 11, 2019, 11:33:04 PM
they aren't paying 5-10k to dudes that aren't scary as eff and/or can't pay for a little bp non availability, dax.

Sure thing syswhackadoo, in your sad little existence you actually believe everyone crossing that isn't part of a drug cartel is paying coyotes.  :rolleyes:

Why do so many people charged with actually protecting the border say the walls work?  Not little pissant 4th rate policy wonks with paypal websites and twitter accounts.

Just think if for 8 years the dreadful Obama administration hadn't been coddling all those Central American Dictators and walking guns across the border to Drug Cartels.  SMDH, terrible.






Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 11, 2019, 11:47:11 PM
What do you think he handled worse, the shutdown or the anthem protests?

by far the shutdown.  he's skillful with race stuff.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 12, 2019, 12:11:00 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-cartel-violence-tamaulipas-21-bodies-miguel-aleman-texas-us-border/

Good thing we've got that armed fortress border . .  .
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 12, 2019, 01:48:18 AM
I thought the coyotes were coyotes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 12, 2019, 07:17:53 AM
they aren't paying 5-10k to dudes that aren't scary as eff and/or can't pay for a little bp non availability, dax.

Sure thing syswhackadoo, in your sad little existence you actually believe everyone crossing that isn't part of a drug cartel is paying coyotes.  :rolleyes:

Why do so many people charged with actually protecting the border say the walls work?  Not little pissant 4th rate policy wonks with paypal websites and twitter accounts.

Just think if for 8 years the dreadful Obama administration hadn't been coddling all those Central American Dictators and walking guns across the border to Drug Cartels.  SMDH, terrible.

I thought most illegal immigrants coming into this country are arriving by plane, so I wouldn’t be surprised if those crossing by foot (or very big scary vroom vroom cars with wheels) are proportionally higher cartel/coyote.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Tubesock on January 12, 2019, 01:31:40 PM
I don't like that Dems are using government workers as a human shield to keep Trump from delivering on the promise that got him elected President.  It makes me sad
that they don't care enough about all the Americans dying every day from crime and drugs to comply with the peoples mandate.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 12, 2019, 01:49:19 PM
yeah, I'm not 100% certain trump knows that congress are also elected officials.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Tubesock on January 12, 2019, 01:52:28 PM
yeah, I'm not 100% certain trump knows that congress are also elected officials.

people are dying stevedave
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 12, 2019, 02:52:41 PM
lol

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 12, 2019, 03:00:40 PM
holy crap  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 12, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
lol


I postulated this exact correlation a few days ago, and sysgender got his panties in a wad. Peoples' views on the wall are 100% about Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 12, 2019, 03:53:08 PM
Most everyone knows the wall is idiotic. It's not really about the wall anymore, sadly.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 12, 2019, 04:04:30 PM
I postulated this exact correlation a few days ago, and sysgender got his panties in a wad. Peoples' views on the wall are 100% about Trump.

good grief, spracne.  perhaps i need to simplify my posts for you.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 12, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
actually, after going back and rereading your post, i change mine to " :lol:".  once again, i made the error of giving you too much credit.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 12, 2019, 04:18:14 PM
actually, after going back and rereading your post, i change mine to " :lol:".  once again, i made the error of giving you too much credit.

Are you trying to hurt my feelings? You might have gotten away with it, too, but I'm too busy fist pumping this Chiefs game
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 12, 2019, 04:19:56 PM
Keep that Black Tar P U R E comin right fellas!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 12, 2019, 04:26:34 PM
yeah, I'm not 100% certain trump knows that congress are also elected officials.

people are dying stevedave

Kids die at school by guns but we don't do anything. Think a few heroin ODs are going to shake us?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 12, 2019, 04:50:09 PM
amazing article.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 12, 2019, 04:51:02 PM
Are you trying to hurt my feelings?

of course not.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 12, 2019, 05:28:36 PM
Keep that Black Tar P U R E comin right fellas!

Dax thinks the wall is about drugs. That's so cute.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 12, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Keep that Black Tar P U R E comin right fellas!

Dax thinks the wall is about drugs. That's so cute.

If there’s one thing we don’t want and that’s a secure border next to an ostensibly  lawless country with more mass graves every day.

I bet you tell yourself your party actually cares about those people, don’t ya trey?   
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 12, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 12, 2019, 05:48:04 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 12, 2019, 05:49:53 PM
Legalize drugs
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 12, 2019, 06:09:06 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 12, 2019, 07:20:29 PM
Some doctors think Obama caused all diseases
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Tubesock on January 12, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
yeah, I'm not 100% certain trump knows that congress are also elected officials.

people are dying stevedave

Kids die at school by guns but we don't do anything. Think a few heroin ODs are going to shake us?

monsters who will trade pontential votes for irl American lives  :Yuck:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 12, 2019, 07:45:23 PM
Why else would people that yammer on about how much more we need to do for our poor want to expand our underclass exponentially with illegal immigration
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 12, 2019, 08:25:50 PM
this would be so amazing.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 12, 2019, 08:41:33 PM
Why else would people that yammer on about how much more we need to do for our poor want to expand our underclass exponentially with illegal immigration

Because those poor people already exist, just in another country. The people who "yammer on about the poor" see allowing them to immigrate here as helping those people because thousands of them are fleeing unlivable situations with horrific violence. Believe it or not it's actually pretty rough ridin' obvious.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 12, 2019, 08:42:39 PM
this would be so amazing.


It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was true. Cucks, etc.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 12, 2019, 08:47:47 PM
Why else would people that yammer on about how much more we need to do for our poor want to expand our underclass exponentially with illegal immigration

Because those poor people already exist, just in another country. The people who "yammer on about the poor" see allowing them to immigrate here as helping those people because thousands of them are fleeing unlivable situations with horrific violence. Believe it or not it's actually pretty rough ridin' obvious.

why do you want to eff over poor Americans by spreading our assistance dollars over a larger number of poor people?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 12, 2019, 08:57:21 PM
It costs $17,777 per federal income tax paying American in federal income tax to run this country at a trillion dollar deficit and you want to let more poors in,  you are irresponsible and should rethink how you go about "helping people" with o.p.m.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 12, 2019, 09:33:44 PM
this would be so amazing.


To own the libs
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 13, 2019, 02:11:11 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 13, 2019, 05:02:18 AM
At first glance either we have gotten really bad at apprehendos or those look like some numbers we can REALLY trust.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2019, 06:34:31 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.

Yes, because if there’s one thing we know.  Multi Billion Dollar drug cartels are not innovative. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2019, 06:40:09 PM
Opinion writer.  Thanks as always SysWhackADoo
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 13, 2019, 06:41:18 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.

Yes, because if there’s one thing we know.  Multi Billion Dollar drug cartels are not innovative. 

but not innovative enough to defeat steel slats!

amirite?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.

Yes, because if there’s one thing we know.  Multi Billion Dollar drug cartels are not innovative. 

but not innovative enough to defeat steel slats!

amirite?

I appreciate that LibBot Nation just ignores what many who actually work to secure the border actually say.   

Just admit you’re wanting a whole new legion of Lib Voters. 

Be true to yourself . . . for once
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 13, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.

Yes, because if there’s one thing we know.  Multi Billion Dollar drug cartels are not innovative.

did you mean to quote me here? bc your post has nothing to do with mine  :confused:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: puniraptor on January 13, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
dax, do you believe the data that suggests the VAST majority of smuggled drugs pass into the country through legal ports of entry?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 13, 2019, 10:21:05 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.

Yes, because if there’s one thing we know.  Multi Billion Dollar drug cartels are not innovative. 

but not innovative enough to defeat steel slats!

amirite?

I appreciate that LibBot Nation just ignores what many who actually work to secure the border actually say.   

Just admit you’re wanting a whole new legion of Lib Voters. 

Be true to yourself . . . for once

You were talking drugs dax...not immigration. Nice pivot but again I'll ask, why would immigrants be only lib voters?

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 13, 2019, 10:39:22 PM
I do care about the innocents that have lost their lives as a result of the drug trade. And we owe it to all the victims of the drug war to actually find a real solution to this problem, which happens to be an economic problem. So your solutions are either that you can reduce supply (which people wrongly assume that a wall will accomplish) or you can reduce demand. I simply believe that we should be investing our money to find solutions that decrease demand instead of decreasing supply.

Good luck with that.

Good doctors treat the disease, bad doctors treat the symptoms.

Yes, because if there’s one thing we know.  Multi Billion Dollar drug cartels are not innovative. 

but not innovative enough to defeat steel slats!

amirite?

I appreciate that LibBot Nation just ignores what many who actually work to secure the border actually say.   

Just admit you’re wanting a whole new legion of Lib Voters. 

Be true to yourself . . . for once

You were talking drugs dax...not immigration. Nice pivot but again I'll ask, why would immigrants be only lib voters?

It all goes hand-in-hand, I've talked both, there is no pivot here.

FFS, Phil
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 14, 2019, 08:14:27 AM
The immigrants at the southern border will vote dem because republicans are openly hostile toward them. Otherwise, they are religious and poor, making them a pretty good match to the rest of the republican base in the south.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 14, 2019, 09:08:45 AM


Quote
Drugs are not coming into the US through unwalled sections of the US southern border, say former cartel members testifying at the trial of Mexican kingpin Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman.

The traffickers have said the majority of drugs come in through legal ports of entry on ships, submarines, trains, tractor-trailers and cars.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 14, 2019, 09:22:33 AM
The immigrants at the southern border will vote dem because republicans are openly hostile toward them. Otherwise, they are religious and poor, making them a pretty good match to the rest of the republican base in the south.

very rapidly becoming more evangelical and less catholic too.  if the pubs made it less obvious that they hate them, they could pick up a lot.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 14, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
It really does imply a certain level of instability when you actually think people who don't hate browns are just pretending to not be racist so they can maybe gain voters.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 14, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 14, 2019, 09:35:32 AM

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 14, 2019, 02:00:10 PM
Question for trump dudes, which would be the most humiliating way for trump to cave?

1) signs spending bill w/o WALL
2) "does" a national emergency, then #1, then courts block his abuse of power and no WALL
3) congress overrides his veto w/o WALL
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 14, 2019, 02:02:27 PM
#3 isn't a cave but still pretty monster dunk humiliating
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 14, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
i would think he'd be able to sell #1 pretty easily - he's fought to the longest shutdown in history but now he has to start up the govt because too many good americans are suffering due to the dastardly dems.  it's not a surrender on the wall, he's still going to fight for the wall forever, he's just not going to let the dems hurt good americans anymore while they negotiate.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 14, 2019, 02:40:50 PM
i would think he'd be able to sell #1 pretty easily - he's fought to the longest shutdown in history but now he has to start up the govt because too many good americans are suffering due to the dastardly dems.  it's not a surrender on the wall, he's still going to fight for the wall forever, he's just not going to let the dems hurt good americans anymore while they negotiate.

Yeah, once you remember that the people he represents would be willing to believe that sort of garbage, there really is no way for Trump to come out of this the least bit humiliated.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Chingon on January 14, 2019, 02:45:19 PM
Rule #1: You cannot humiliate Trump.
Rule #2: Trump will never lose the support of the GOP.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 14, 2019, 02:47:26 PM
#2 is much more attractive to trumpers, imo. #1 has to be seen as nothing but a failure, #2 at least gives 27 an out with the damn activist judges
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2019, 02:49:22 PM
Didn't realize y'all were Trump dudes, but good to know :thumbs:

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 14, 2019, 02:53:16 PM
#2 hurts him with independents and 'pubs that still think a democrat might be elected president someday, so he's better off selling #1 to his base.  i have confidence he can do it.

#1 also lets him frame himself as the bigger man/patriot in contrast to the partisan dems, so he has something to sell to the independents too.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 14, 2019, 03:02:37 PM
#1 would piss me off the most
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2019, 03:10:10 PM
I think 3 would be the most humiliating.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 14, 2019, 05:57:21 PM
Posted in the LOL thread but relevant here too.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 14, 2019, 10:40:05 PM
this overstates it a little, i think.  but it's right on the broad point and it answers 27's question.  democrats would be pretty mad.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2019, 10:46:44 PM
this overstates it a little, i think.  but it's right on the broad point and it answers 27's question.  democrats would be pretty mad.

It's almost as if the Dems oppose the wall because Trump wants it.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 14, 2019, 10:48:48 PM
undoubtedly that motivates many (and that's a perfectly legitimate response).  but correlation/causation.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 14, 2019, 11:16:40 PM
I’m not sure how you could separate the two at this point. Trump has been the only major political voice pushing for a wall from 2015 through this year.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 14, 2019, 11:29:45 PM
undoubtedly that motivates many (and that's a perfectly legitimate response).  but correlation/causation.

And it's a perfectly normal reason to oppose the wall (or fence, or whatever). But the proffered, alternative reasons are pretty smirk-inducing. All I'm saying is that people should just be honest, because the non-Trump reasons undermine credibility. Then again, my take presumes that there are voters who don't already have their minds made up. And that may be an overly optimistic assumption.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 12:19:17 AM
And it's a perfectly normal reason to oppose the wall (or fence, or whatever). But the proffered, alternative reasons are pretty smirk-inducing. All I'm saying is that people should just be honest, because the non-Trump reasons undermine credibility. Then again, my take presumes that there are voters who don't already have their minds made up. And that may be an overly optimistic assumption.

and you want people to believe you're not a trumpalo.  this time i've highlighted the part where you give yourself away.  to prevent the confusion resulting from the previous occasion.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 12:22:32 AM
And it's a perfectly normal reason to oppose the wall (or fence, or whatever). But the proffered, alternative reasons are pretty smirk-inducing. All I'm saying is that people should just be honest, because the non-Trump reasons undermine credibility. Then again, my take presumes that there are voters who don't already have their minds made up. And that may be an overly optimistic assumption.

and you want people to believe you're not a trumpalo.  this time i've highlighted the part where you give yourself away.  to prevent the confusion resulting from the previous occasion.

I cannot fathom that people honestly care about $5B, no matter how unlikely it is to make a meaningful difference.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 12:26:34 AM
yeah, it's not the money.  here's some data.  you can see that over half of democrats were against a border wall before trump made an issue of it.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 12:32:18 AM
I can also see that clearly it's about Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 12:33:48 AM
And Democrats better be careful about that 11-12% that's NOT against the wall/fence/slats.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 12:46:01 AM
I can also see that clearly it's about Trump.

sure.  but previously you asserted that democrats only were against border fencing as a reaction to trump.  neither the data or just good faith logic supports that assertion.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 12:47:28 AM
I can also see that clearly it's about Trump.

sure.  but previously you asserted that democrats only were against border fencing as a reaction to trump.  neither the data or just good faith logic supports that assertion.

U really trynna good faith me, brah? I can't even . . .


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 12:52:22 AM
I can also see that clearly it's about Trump.

sure.  but previously you asserted that democrats only were against border fencing as a reaction to trump.  neither the data or just good faith logic supports that assertion.

Your evidence proves too much. In the ante-Trump years, there wasn't much separating Ds and Rs on the issue. Nearly half of Ds supported the idea in the abstract. Post-Trump, D support nosedives. To what do you attribute that change? A sudden wave of fiscal conservatism among Dems?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 12:52:57 AM
good faith is probably the wrong language.  i'm going for more that you're so far from sharing a point of view that you can't even conceive that other people sincerely believe differently than you.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 12:54:57 AM
It's obvious what changed: a visceral reaction against Trumpism. I don't know why it's hard for you to acknowledge. It's plain. All I'm saying is that any other explanation is pretextual. Just say you hate Trump. No one you care about will judge you. Promise.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 12:56:00 AM
Your evidence proves too much. In the ante-Trump years, there wasn't much separating Ds and Rs on the issue. Nearly half of Ds supported the idea in the abstract. Post-Trump, D support nosedives. To what do you attribute that change? A sudden wave of fiscal conservatism among Dems?

no, i've agreed with you like five times now that many democrats shifted their policy preference in response to trump's support of a border wall.  there can be multiple different reasons for that, but it's clearly a response.

but that's less than half of democrats.  you're dismissing the majority.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 12:59:11 AM
It's obvious what changed: a visceral reaction against Trumpism. I don't know why it's hard for you to acknowledge. It's plain. All I'm saying is that any other explanation is pretextual. Just say you hate Trump. No one you care about will judge you. Promise.

i've now "acknowledged" that six times.  meanwhile you're still insisting it's the only reason.  even after i showed you data that clearly indicates that is impossible.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 15, 2019, 01:03:27 AM
Ok, the *only* reason for the sudden change worth mentioning, then. Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised to see that the slope of the R support appears unaffected by Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 15, 2019, 01:09:20 AM
This has been the funniest exchange in the history of this board, bravo, wonderful, just wonderful!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 15, 2019, 01:30:10 AM
There is more going on here though, prior to Trump Democrats could say that they were for a wall and safely know that because establishment Republicans did not want a wall that there was no danger of a wall actually getting built and the D's could sound more reasonable to more people.  R's and D's have never wanted a wall and that is why we don't have one.  As far as the poll numbers go, people are pretty pathetic, they don't form their own personal policy beliefs as much as they just parrot back their teams positions that they hear from the talking heads.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2019, 06:01:19 AM
I think Democrats have changed their policy positions much, MUCH less (if at all) than Trump has changed what is meant by "wall." He's made it perfectly clear that he wants something that Democrats believe is purposeless beyond being offensively symbolic.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 15, 2019, 08:37:20 AM
And it's a perfectly normal reason to oppose the wall (or fence, or whatever). But the proffered, alternative reasons are pretty smirk-inducing. All I'm saying is that people should just be honest, because the non-Trump reasons undermine credibility. Then again, my take presumes that there are voters who don't already have their minds made up. And that may be an overly optimistic assumption.

and you want people to believe you're not a trumpalo.  this time i've highlighted the part where you give yourself away.  to prevent the confusion resulting from the previous occasion.

I cannot fathom that people honestly care about $5B, no matter how unlikely it is to make a meaningful difference.

LOL at a border wall getting completed for $5B. If you give him this $5B, he will want another $10B in a few months.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 15, 2019, 08:50:51 AM
Another caravan from Honduras, where in 2009 Killary and Obama backed the coup, even though they've denied, but evidence is quite clear that Hillary the Butcher and friends prevented Manual Zelaya from returning to power . . . if there's one thing the left hates, and that's other countries going left, but I digress.   This subsequently lead to the extremely corrupt Juan Hernandez family coming into power and their culture of repression.

Once again, thanks Hillary and thanks Barack and your horrific 8 years as president.





Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 15, 2019, 08:57:37 AM
I cannot fathom that people honestly care about 1000 migrants coming into the United States.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 15, 2019, 09:04:08 AM
I don't want a wall for ecological reasons. Is that not a valid reason, Spracs?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on January 15, 2019, 09:05:27 AM
I cannot fathom that people honestly care about 1000 migrants coming into the United States.

Per day?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 15, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
I cannot fathom that people honestly care about 1000 migrants coming into the United States.

You've missed the point entirely . . . sad

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 09:37:49 AM
I cannot fathom that people honestly care about 1000 migrants coming into the United States.

like the wall, people care about them because they are symbolic.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 09:38:27 AM
I don't want a wall for ecological reasons. Is that not a valid reason, Spracs?

it is a very good reason.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 15, 2019, 09:49:07 AM
yeah, it's not the money.  here's some data.  you can see that over half of democrats were against a border wall before trump made an issue of it.


Glad I read back a page before luking this. Specifically intended to share these graphs with GE’s biggest charts guy. But you already found them. :cheers:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 15, 2019, 09:50:44 AM
Here’s an interesting oped by an “anonymous senior official” on potential benefit of shutdown for smaller government. Obviously you guys know I agree with the sentiments expressed, so I’ll share it with no further commentary. Good read no matter what your personal views are.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/smoke-out-resistance/ (https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/smoke-out-resistance/)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 15, 2019, 09:55:38 AM
senior admin officials should stop anonymously publishing opeds.  they always reveal themselves to be delusional dumbasses.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 15, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
What happened to the first Caravan?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 15, 2019, 10:12:41 AM
50 of the few thousand made some trouble so we gassed children
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 15, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
50 of the few thousand made some trouble so we gassed children

the quest for lake houses will make some people impossible to control.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 15, 2019, 12:47:51 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 15, 2019, 12:51:20 PM
Another caravan from Honduras, where in 2009 Killary and Obama backed the coup, even though they've denied, but evidence is quite clear that Hillary the Butcher and friends prevented Manual Zelaya from returning to power . . . if there's one thing the left hates, and that's other countries going left, but I digress.   This subsequently lead to the extremely corrupt Juan Hernandez family coming into power and their culture of repression.

Once again, thanks Hillary and thanks Barack and your horrific 8 years as president.

:lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 15, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
Another caravan from Honduras, where in 2009 Killary and Obama backed the coup, even though they've denied, but evidence is quite clear that Hillary the Butcher and friends prevented Manual Zelaya from returning to power . . . if there's one thing the left hates, and that's other countries going left, but I digress.   This subsequently lead to the extremely corrupt Juan Hernandez family coming into power and their culture of repression.

Once again, thanks Hillary and thanks Barack and your horrific 8 years as president.

:lol:

It's pretty sad that you don't give a crap that your guy and woman supported thugs . . . and of course you don't get, because you're stupid that we are now paying for those outcomes.

Every time you post  :lol: only re-affirms what an idiot you really are.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 15, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
Another caravan from Honduras, where in 2009 Killary and Obama backed the coup, even though they've denied, but evidence is quite clear that Hillary the Butcher and friends prevented Manual Zelaya from returning to power . . . if there's one thing the left hates, and that's other countries going left, but I digress.   This subsequently lead to the extremely corrupt Juan Hernandez family coming into power and their culture of repression.

Once again, thanks Hillary and thanks Barack and your horrific 8 years as president.

:lol:

It's pretty sad that you don't give a crap that your guy and woman supported thugs . . . and of course you don't get, because you're stupid that we are now paying for those outcomes.

Every time you post  :lol: only re-affirms what an idiot you really are.

But Russian and Ukrainian thugs are perfectly fine?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 15, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
Another caravan from Honduras, where in 2009 Killary and Obama backed the coup, even though they've denied, but evidence is quite clear that Hillary the Butcher and friends prevented Manual Zelaya from returning to power . . . if there's one thing the left hates, and that's other countries going left, but I digress.   This subsequently lead to the extremely corrupt Juan Hernandez family coming into power and their culture of repression.

Once again, thanks Hillary and thanks Barack and your horrific 8 years as president.

:lol:

It's pretty sad that you don't give a crap that your guy and woman supported thugs . . . and of course you don't get, because you're stupid that we are now paying for those outcomes.

Every time you post  :lol: only re-affirms what an idiot you really are.

But Russian and Ukrainian thugs are perfectly fine?

I know you're extremely dumb, but a modicum or research would yield that your candidate was glomed all over Ukrainian thugs, and your favorite political couple was in bed with Russian oligarchs to the tune of ten's of millions of dollars.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 15, 2019, 04:05:36 PM
Another caravan from Honduras, where in 2009 Killary and Obama backed the coup, even though they've denied, but evidence is quite clear that Hillary the Butcher and friends prevented Manual Zelaya from returning to power . . . if there's one thing the left hates, and that's other countries going left, but I digress.   This subsequently lead to the extremely corrupt Juan Hernandez family coming into power and their culture of repression.

Once again, thanks Hillary and thanks Barack and your horrific 8 years as president.

:lol:

It's pretty sad that you don't give a crap that your guy and woman supported thugs . . . and of course you don't get, because you're stupid that we are now paying for those outcomes.

Every time you post  :lol: only re-affirms what an idiot you really are.

But Russian and Ukrainian thugs are perfectly fine?

I know you're extremely dumb, but a modicum or research would yield that your candidate was glomed all over Ukrainian thugs, and your favorite political couple was in bed with Russian oligarchs to the tune of ten's of millions of dollars.

So yes ONLY if it’s Trump, got it. :thumbs:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 15, 2019, 04:13:07 PM
you are not qualified to take on Dax.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 15, 2019, 04:19:07 PM
I would hardly call that “taking him on”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 15, 2019, 06:42:14 PM
you are not qualified to take on Dax.

haha
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 15, 2019, 09:34:43 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 16, 2019, 05:45:17 AM
i'm thinking we have about 10 more days left of shutdown, Dems fracturing.....
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 16, 2019, 06:26:23 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 16, 2019, 07:28:01 AM
i'm thinking we have about 10 more days left of shutdown, Dems fracturing.....

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 08:16:39 AM
Time to truly protect ourselves from the lawless Banana Republic to the South

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/us/el-chapo-guzman-trial-bribes/index.html
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 08:42:31 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 16, 2019, 09:27:11 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/16/pelosi-asks-trump-to-reschedule-state-of-the-union-address-1103047 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/16/pelosi-asks-trump-to-reschedule-state-of-the-union-address-1103047)

 :lol:  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 09:30:45 AM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 10:12:25 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 16, 2019, 10:20:39 AM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 16, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 10:29:21 AM
Good lord it's bad enough that sys is a complete whack-a-doo, it's even worse when the whack-a-doo tries to be a completely unfunny contrarian.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Resident whack-a-doos and clueless parody posters, you better get to to work setting this woman straight

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/border-rancher-weve-found-prayer-rugs-out-here-its-unreal
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 10:55:36 AM
the good thing about trump pushing the salience of this wall is that it's likely that a decent proportion of the dems that didn't previously oppose border barriers will now get stuck in an anti-wall position even after trump (especially as it seems likely some % of emerging 'pubs will take up the cause).

that makes it likely that a border wall is going to be an issue divided along partisan lines for the foreseeable future - which means it will be much less likely that any significant new barriers will constructed.

http://www.people-press.org/2019/01/16/most-border-wall-opponents-supporters-say-shutdown-concessions-are-unacceptable/
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 16, 2019, 11:16:58 AM
Resident whack-a-doos and clueless parody posters, you better get to to work setting this woman straight

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/border-rancher-weve-found-prayer-rugs-out-here-its-unreal

"Ranchers and farmers near the U.S.-Mexico border have been finding prayer rugs on their properties in recent months, according to one rancher who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by cartels."

 :confused:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 11:21:01 AM
I saw an article about prayer rugs last year and it had a picture and it was the carpet scraps migrants strap to their shoes so that they don't leave foot prints
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2019, 11:35:32 AM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.

Trump is only willing to “be Trump” when he has an audience completely devoted to him. There is no way he could handle an even semi hostile audience without a prompter or the option to quickly leave.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 16, 2019, 11:51:28 AM
Resident whack-a-doos and clueless parody posters, you better get to to work setting this woman straight

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/border-rancher-weve-found-prayer-rugs-out-here-its-unreal

"Ranchers and farmers near the U.S.-Mexico border have been finding prayer rugs on their properties in recent months, according to one rancher who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by cartels."

 :confused:

You didn't know? All of the Mexican drug cartels are now operating under Sharia law now. But big brother and the coastal media elite doesn't want you to know the TRUTH!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
Resident whack-a-doos and clueless parody posters, you better get to to work setting this woman straight

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/border-rancher-weve-found-prayer-rugs-out-here-its-unreal

"Ranchers and farmers near the U.S.-Mexico border have been finding prayer rugs on their properties in recent months, according to one rancher who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by cartels."

 :confused:

You didn't know? All of the Mexican drug cartels are now operating under Sharia law now. But big brother and the coastal media elite doesn't want you to know the TRUTH!

Internal security memo to USGS/USDA near border employees . . . do not approach border crossers, they may be associated with drug cartels (from WaMeGoBro currently non working Federal Employee who regular collaborates with near border currently non working USGS/USDA employees, "the drug cartels or at least their border watchers tell our guys/women researchers/surveyors to leave in advance and that they don't want to be around in an hour or so . . .".  Internal memo tells them to contact DHS, but they don't bother most of the time because it's just more work and DHS is always way too late)

Also, you don't hear about a lot of this stuff because either 1.  They have no official reporting that it's actually happening 2.  They don't really know who a lot of these people are . . .

But we all know that the new agenda is an open border . . . despite decades worth of Dem leadership going on the record as being vehemently opposed to both Illegal immigration and demanding tougher border security.   
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 16, 2019, 12:23:05 PM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.

Agree 100%

Agree but probably for way different reasons that kdub thinks so.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 16, 2019, 12:34:04 PM
Resident whack-a-doos and clueless parody posters, you better get to to work setting this woman straight

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/border-rancher-weve-found-prayer-rugs-out-here-its-unreal

"Ranchers and farmers near the U.S.-Mexico border have been finding prayer rugs on their properties in recent months, according to one rancher who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by cartels."

 :confused:

You didn't know? All of the Mexican drug cartels are now operating under Sharia law now. But big brother and the coastal media elite doesn't want you to know the TRUTH!

Internal security memo to USGS/USDA near border employees . . . do not approach border crossers, they may be associated with drug cartels (from WaMeGoBro currently non working Federal Employee who regular collaborates with near border currently non working USGS/USDA employees, "the drug cartels or at least their border watchers tell our guys/women researchers/surveyors to leave in advance and that they don't want to be around in an hour or so . . .".  Internal memo tells them to contact DHS, but they don't bother most of the time because it's just more work and DHS is always way too late)

Also, you don't hear about a lot of this stuff because either 1.  They have no official reporting that it's actually happening 2.  They don't really know who a lot of these people are . . .

But we all know that the new agenda is an open border . . . despite decades worth of Dem leadership going on the record as being vehemently opposed to both Illegal immigration and demanding tougher border security.   

why would the cartel retaliate because of prayer rugs?

also if traveling from the middle east why would you attempt to cross the southern border as opposed to the northern?

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 16, 2019, 12:49:34 PM
Resident whack-a-doos and clueless parody posters, you better get to to work setting this woman straight

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/border-rancher-weve-found-prayer-rugs-out-here-its-unreal

"Ranchers and farmers near the U.S.-Mexico border have been finding prayer rugs on their properties in recent months, according to one rancher who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by cartels."

 :confused:

You didn't know? All of the Mexican drug cartels are now operating under Sharia law now. But big brother and the coastal media elite doesn't want you to know the TRUTH!

Internal security memo to USGS/USDA near border employees . . . do not approach border crossers, they may be associated with drug cartels (from WaMeGoBro currently non working Federal Employee who regular collaborates with near border currently non working USGS/USDA employees, "the drug cartels or at least their border watchers tell our guys/women researchers/surveyors to leave in advance and that they don't want to be around in an hour or so . . .".  Internal memo tells them to contact DHS, but they don't bother most of the time because it's just more work and DHS is always way too late)

Also, you don't hear about a lot of this stuff because either 1.  They have no official reporting that it's actually happening 2.  They don't really know who a lot of these people are . . .

But we all know that the new agenda is an open border . . . despite decades worth of Dem leadership going on the record as being vehemently opposed to both Illegal immigration and demanding tougher border security.   

why would the cartel retaliate because of prayer rugs?

also if traveling from the middle east why would you attempt to cross the southern border as opposed to the northern?
Regarding point 2, because Ecuador will basically let anyone fly into the country without a visa.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 01:05:35 PM
spracne, ecuador is like eight international borders away from the united states.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 16, 2019, 01:08:03 PM
spracne, ecuador is like eight international borders away from the united states.
I realize that. But I'm reporting based on firsthand knowledge.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 16, 2019, 01:12:57 PM
ok.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 16, 2019, 01:13:34 PM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.

Trump is only willing to “be Trump” when he has an audience completely devoted to him. There is no way he could handle an even semi hostile audience without a prompter or the option to quickly leave.

Hostile audience? Have you ever seen him handle a press conference? He loves that crap. I love watching it. It's a thing to behold.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2019, 01:24:43 PM
Remember that time he bowed to Putin in a press conference on international tv?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 16, 2019, 01:28:29 PM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.

Trump is only willing to “be Trump” when he has an audience completely devoted to him. There is no way he could handle an even semi hostile audience without a prompter or the option to quickly leave.

Hostile audience? Have you ever seen him handle a press conference? He loves that crap. I love watching it. It's a thing to behold.

Didn’t the WH go down to like monthly press briefings?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
He loves press conferences because the press is way too easy on him
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 16, 2019, 01:47:48 PM
the state of the union speech is stupid and the president's report should always be written anyhow.  hopefully trump chooses written rather than delayed.

I think the SOTU is a great tradition. I do wish Trump would ditch the TelePrompter and just be Trump. I mean, is there anything worse than listening to Trump read stuff he didn't write in that monotone, boring, slooow voice sanitized of Trumpisms? Probably, but it's bad is all I'm saying. One of Trump's silver linings is when he talks and boasts and rants like Trump.

Trump is only willing to “be Trump” when he has an audience completely devoted to him. There is no way he could handle an even semi hostile audience without a prompter or the option to quickly leave.

Hostile audience? Have you ever seen him handle a press conference? He loves that crap. I love watching it. It's a thing to behold.

Handled being laughed at when in front of the UN real well.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 16, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
He loves press conferences because the press is way too easy on him

They're not intentionally easy on him - they're just mostly dumber than he is. Most of these people really are morons. But you really think Congress is any better? And besides, so what? Do you really think some dumbass is gonna shout out "you lie"? Hell, maybe he would get that lucky.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 16, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
The press is just polite with him. He says batshit crazy stuff and they don't view it as their place to immediately tell him he's wrong.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 01:54:45 PM
Kdub and I can agree that reporters in general are not bright. The ones that are smart are too worried about losing access so they just nod along as he lies and rages
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 02:00:01 PM
Ftr trump is significantly stupider than the press, he just doesn't care about looking like a giant toddler
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 16, 2019, 02:16:19 PM
A wall, but to enclose texags people.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 16, 2019, 02:22:48 PM
What if Mexico wants the wall and they are tricking America into paying for it?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 16, 2019, 03:22:59 PM
What if Mexico wants the wall and they are tricking America into paying for it?

Sergio once jokingly (?) told me the wall might prevent american criminals from fleeing to mexico.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 03:47:54 PM
Somebody better get Nancy "there's no enemy at my gate and walls . . . so leave the package at the gate and I'll  have security pick it up" Pelosi and Chuck "we must stop . . . wait, welcome illegal immigration" Schumer out there and get this nonsense nipped in the bud!

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/16/freshman-democrats-frustrated-pelosi-schumer-leadership-trump-border-wall-immigration/
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 16, 2019, 04:23:39 PM
He loves press conferences because the press is way too easy on him

They're not intentionally easy on him - they're just mostly dumber than he is. Most of these people really are morons. But you really think Congress is any better? And besides, so what? Do you really think some dumbass is gonna shout out "you lie"? Hell, maybe he would get that lucky.

The "Trump is smart" opinion should never go without being laughed at.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 04:32:36 PM
Dax frequenting the daily caller is so dax ha lol
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 05:02:09 PM
Dax frequenting the daily caller is so dax ha lol

Clueless Parody Poster LibDerp7, the same can be said for practically any "source" referenced on this blog.

One of the favorites fact checks how high hamburgers are stacked.



Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Chingon on January 16, 2019, 05:06:25 PM
Dax frequenting the daily caller is so dax ha lol
Can you imagine what must be in the amazing list of bookmarked sites on the top of dax's browser?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 16, 2019, 06:04:24 PM
I don’t bookmark anything. 

I can only imagine what the bookmarks look like for the resident LiBBots

ClosetedNeoCon.com

(Insert adjective here)Trump.com, .org, .tv . . .

Defendsoros.com

Perpetual rage.com


Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 16, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
Dax frequenting the daily caller is so dax ha lol
Can you imagine what must be in the amazing list of bookmarked sites on the top of dax's browser?

No, I can't!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Chingon on January 16, 2019, 06:07:43 PM
I bet over half no longer work.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Chingon on January 16, 2019, 06:11:15 PM
www.geocities.com/truthaboutalinskyexposed
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 16, 2019, 06:26:14 PM
Dax frequenting the daily caller is so dax ha lol
Can you imagine what must be in the amazing list of bookmarked sites on the top of dax's browser?

No, I can't!

I’ve always wondered what he reads all day and DOESN’T post.  :sdeek:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 16, 2019, 06:52:02 PM
Good lord he’s on Twitter he’s not cruising geocities pages
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 17, 2019, 05:13:31 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
the white house seems to have figured out that they're getting their asses destroyed on this.  now they need to decide on their least bad option to get out of it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 17, 2019, 06:25:52 PM
What are the top 3 choices ranked in order of least painful to most painful?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
i dunno.  they mostly all suck.

i mean, i guess his best would be to try and find something dems really want that his base doesn't hate and see if they'll give him something close enough to a wall that he can bullshit his people with it in exchange.  but if that was easy/possible, it'd probably already be done by now.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 17, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
Why do you think Trump wants the shutdown to end?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 06:35:09 PM
Why do you think Trump wants the shutdown to end?

because he's found out that he's getting his ass kicked.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 17, 2019, 06:36:22 PM
Why do you think Trump wants the shutdown to end?

because he's found out that he's getting his ass kicked.

did I miss something?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/818210/report-behind-scenes-trump-believes-hes-getting-crushed


he's right.  there've been polls coming out all week and they all show the public blaming trump more than the democrats.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 17, 2019, 06:51:07 PM
Much like anything else that Trump says or thinks, it is hard to make much sense of this.

Quote
While watching news coverage of the shutdown recently, Trump turned to acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, clearly heated. A person with knowledge of the conversation told the Times that Trump said: "We are getting crushed! Why can't we get a deal?" Trump has been telling aides that he thinks Americans are going to forget all about the shutdown — entering its 27th day on Thursday, it's the longest in U.S. history — and will instead remember that he demanded money for a southern border wall.


I find it almost impossible to believe that Trump backs down over the wall fight.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 07:03:50 PM
I find it almost impossible to believe that Trump backs down over the wall fight.

oh yeah, i'm not predicting that.  like i said, all of his options kinda suck, god knows what he'll decide to do.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 17, 2019, 07:05:32 PM
https://theweek.com/speedreads/818210/report-behind-scenes-trump-believes-hes-getting-crushed


he's right.  there've been polls coming out all week and they all show the public blaming trump more than the democrats.

When you say "I'll own the shutdown" to everybody, they tend to remember it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 17, 2019, 07:23:17 PM
I find it almost impossible to believe that Trump backs down over the wall fight.

oh yeah, i'm not predicting that.  like i said, all of his options kinda suck, god knows what he'll decide to do.

agree.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 17, 2019, 08:55:15 PM
It seems obvious the only real endgame is for Trump to declare an emergency to build the wall and get the house and senate to ram through a spending bill that he can sign before the injunction hits.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 17, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
i blame Trump for the shutdown but wtf does that mean?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
i blame Trump for the shutdown but wtf does that mean?

yeah, it's poorly worded if what you want to know is how many people like what he's doing and how many don't.  but you can tease it out from combos with other questions and time series and what not.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 09:14:55 PM
It seems obvious the only real endgame is for Trump to declare an emergency to build the wall and get the house and senate to ram through a spending bill that he can sign before the injunction hits.

why would the house ram through a spending bill just because trump declares an emergency?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 17, 2019, 09:20:58 PM
i blame Trump for the shutdown but wtf does that mean?

yeah, it's poorly worded if what you want to know is how many people like what he's doing and how many don't.  but you can tease it out from combos with other questions and time series and what not.

this is why I dont pay much attention to polls, I don't have time or desire to ferret out what and to who they are polling.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 17, 2019, 09:22:38 PM
It seems obvious the only real endgame is for Trump to declare an emergency to build the wall and get the house and senate to ram through a spending bill that he can sign before the injunction hits.

why would the house ram through a spending bill just because trump declares an emergency?

Well I mean they already passed one.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 09:37:20 PM
if trump wants to sign any of those, he doesn't need to declare an emergency.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 17, 2019, 09:52:01 PM
i think i misread your statement.  you mean get through a spending bill without wall funding in a short window while he has political cover to allow the government to reopen.  i was reading it as somehow coerce the house to pass a bill with wall funding.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 17, 2019, 10:04:33 PM
if trump wants to sign any of those, he doesn't need to declare an emergency.

emergency declared, held up in court, sign spending thingies, court says no to emergency, government reopened, trump claims bad judges but I reopened government.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 17, 2019, 10:20:16 PM
i think i misread your statement.  you mean get through a spending bill without wall funding in a short window while he has political cover to allow the government to reopen.  i was reading it as somehow coerce the house to pass a bill with wall funding.

Yes I didn’t take a lot of time to word it good.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2019, 03:46:31 PM
Trump caves. Not surprising.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 19, 2019, 03:53:13 PM
trump hasn't caved, steve dave.  if you think he has, perhaps he's found a useful pr move.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 19, 2019, 07:51:03 PM
This is well played. If the Pubs hold together (they won’t) it puts the Dems in a very bad spot.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 19, 2019, 09:22:33 PM
This is well played. If the Pubs hold together (they won’t) it puts the Dems in a very bad spot.

it doesn't, not strategically.  it's not an offer that will tempt even 10% of dems.

if you mean that it will force a narrative that dems are turning down reasonable pub offers - i don't think that will happen, but let's give it a week and see if the polls show any movement.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2019, 09:24:13 PM
yeah, I bet trump caves even more
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 19, 2019, 09:53:47 PM
This is well played. If the Pubs hold together (they won’t) it puts the Dems in a very bad spot.

temporary dreamers help is hardly much of an olive branch.  Dude just needs to find a way out of his idiotic campaign promise.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2019, 10:06:19 PM
he's cried to tons of people that he is backed into a corner on it with no way out. like mexico gives a eff you old weirdo.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 19, 2019, 10:08:06 PM
There is always Seppuku
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 19, 2019, 10:11:35 PM
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 19, 2019, 10:13:29 PM
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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he even tried today to justify that he didn't want  big beautiful way going coast to coast....but Dems know they have him over a barrel, they aren't going ot give him an inch.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 19, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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he even tried today to justify that he didn't want  big beautiful way going coast to coast....but Dems know they have him over a barrel, they aren't going ot give him an inch.

he'll get some tiny offering. it'll be nothing but he will get to parade it around in his nakedness.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 19, 2019, 10:22:56 PM
On the whole, I actually thought he didn't make a complete ass of himself today, and in terms of Trump moves, I think it was a reasonable one that stands a chance of placing the ball in the dems' court. In other words, he took a smart person's advice.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: DaBigTrain on January 19, 2019, 10:26:47 PM
On the whole, I actually thought he didn't make a complete ass of himself today, and in terms of Trump moves, I think it was a reasonable one that stands a chance of placing the ball in the dems' court. In other words, he took a smart person's advice.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 19, 2019, 10:39:52 PM
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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I have never supported a border wall, but I will admit that I am particularly more invested at this time because trump's only motivation in this is self promotion. Even 27 and kdub know trump doesn't care about a border wall as policy.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 19, 2019, 11:18:57 PM
On the whole, I actually thought he didn't make a complete ass of himself today, and in terms of Trump moves, I think it was a reasonable one that stands a chance of placing the ball in the dems' court. In other words, he took a smart person's advice.

i agree with the first and third statements.  it was a good move, he's just too boxed in for it to have much chance of moving the needle.  like, it would have been a better wedge on dems if he'd have made a more realistic offer, but you can see from the reaction from the xenophobic center of his supporters to this offer than he doesn't really have much room to make a better offer.

with the caveat that i still think he can probably let his base get mumped on this one and count on them 1) forgetting and 2) getting outraged about a hundred libtarded things between now and the election and not having anywhere else to go.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 19, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
He's going to offer more and more crap publicly with Mitch standing there saying he'll get it passed until
enough mooches force the Dems to pay the 5.7 billion.  Dems should have just passed his original deal, you are going to give Don a huuuuuge victory here and will be lucky if you don't fund the entire wall this year now.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 19, 2019, 11:49:51 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 12:04:16 AM
He's going to offer more and more crap publicly with Mitch standing there saying he'll get it passed until
enough mooches force the Dems to pay the 5.7 billion.  Dems should have just passed his original deal, you are going to give Don a huuuuuge victory here and will be lucky if you don't fund the entire wall this year now.

the dems were very stupid to offer so much for so little a year ago and got crazy lucky that trump blew the deal up.

if your idea of a victory is to pile on tons of crap that the dems want until they finally call it good on the wall, then i agree that trump can probably get you a win if he wishes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 12:11:53 AM
The only way i’ll claim victory is if Trump gets his money for the wall.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 01:31:30 AM
yeah, i got you.  if you don't care about what you give up in return, you can get a deal.  my sense, however, is that many of your copartisans do care about what is given in exchange.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 01:32:59 AM
good thread.  mexican immigration has already ended.  central american is heading in the same direction.

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Post by: steve dave on January 20, 2019, 07:40:25 AM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 20, 2019, 11:58:47 AM
Trump absolutely must build some stretch of "wall," no matter if wall, slats, fence, etc. and no matter if 1000 feet or 1000 miles. He just needs something to hang his hat on. And the Dems don't want to give him that ability. P simple.

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Are there any trumpers stupid enough to believe that 1000 yards of slats is delivering on his very specific and often repeated promise that Mexico would build a big beautiful wall?  Probably not too many.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
yeah, i got you.  if you don't care about what you give up in return, you can get a deal.  my sense, however, is that many of your copartisans do care about what is given in exchange.

if trump just wanted a bit of wall to hang his name on and wasn't worried about giving up too much in exchange, he wouldn't be letting miller pull back most of an already insufficient offer.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 02:46:32 PM
the answer is no, btw.  if you don't want to open the thread.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
the answer is no, btw.  if you don't want to open the thread.


ok take it further, what do you think that means?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
it means that the representatives of border districts unanimously believe that the majority of their constituents do not think that a wall would be advantageous to them.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 05:40:09 PM
it means that the representatives of border districts unanimously believe that the majority of their constituents do not think that a wall would be advantageous to them.

agreed, but why?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 05:49:21 PM
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 20, 2019, 05:50:48 PM
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.
Not sure if you heard, but the latest proposal is steel slats--not concrete.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.

I think you know this is dumb, think about what is good for border businesses, think about who lives in these communities and where their relatives live.  Give it another shot why do border constituents vote for guys like this?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 20, 2019, 06:25:43 PM
Lots of prayer rug factories within a few miles of the border.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 07:44:58 PM
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.

I think you know this is dumb, think about what is good for border businesses, think about who lives in these communities and where their relatives live.  Give it another shot why do border constituents vote for guys like this?

you're repeating what i said.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 07:45:45 PM
Not sure if you heard, but the latest proposal is steel slats--not concrete.

i don't actually like puns.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 20, 2019, 07:47:03 PM
Not sure if you heard, but the latest proposal is steel slats--not concrete.

i don't actually like puns.

Why am I not surprised, CoM?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 07:50:36 PM
CoM?

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
probably because many of them live near the border and have a better understanding of border issues than do a lot of magas living farther away.  but maybe just because they would more directly bear the concrete costs and do not consider the benefits to outweigh those costs.

I think you know this is dumb, think about what is good for border businesses, think about who lives in these communities and where their relatives live.  Give it another shot why do border constituents vote for guys like this?

you're repeating what i said.

If you mean businesses want cheap migrant labor, anchor babies from 20-40 years ago vote crat and want more and more of their extended families to come over,  then yes we agree. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 08:13:43 PM
illegal immigrants don't generally stay in the border zone.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 08:32:27 PM
huh, i wonder if thats why border towns dgaf and middle america does
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 20, 2019, 09:46:56 PM
gato can you give us some ways that illegal immigration has affected you personally in a negative way?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 10:07:28 PM
gato can you give us some ways that illegal immigration has affected you personally in a negative way?

yes, 90 million people in this country pay 1.5 trillion in federal income tax each year.  Our government has been running a trillion dollar deficit each year for quite a while now.  Illegal immigration comes at a huge cost, at emergency rooms, at birthing units, at schools, in school cafeterias, in the court systems, in the prison system, in unnecessary homicide victims, rape victims, etc.
  If you do the math the 90 million federal income tax payers average over $17,000 per year that number could be $13,000 without illegals or it might stay at 17,000 and maybe we would'nt have such a deficit problem.  So yes it adversely affects every American.

numbers are not exact, I aint got time for that
 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 10:19:21 PM
question for you skinnybenny, what would the negative effects to you be if the US were to eliminate or get in the ballpark of eliminating illegal immigration?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: bucket on January 20, 2019, 10:37:05 PM
question for you skinnybenny, what would the negative effects to you be if the US were to eliminate or get in the ballpark of eliminating illegal immigration?

Dems are on board when it comes to correcting the problem. However, Republicans and Democrats cannot agree on the best way of doing it and how to apply funding for it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 20, 2019, 10:59:37 PM
question for you skinnybenny, what would the negative effects to you be if the US were to eliminate or get in the ballpark of eliminating illegal immigration?

Dems are on board when it comes to correcting the problem. However, Republicans and Democrats cannot agree on the best way of doing it and how to apply funding for it.

give me some examples of measures that would help that you think I would go along with
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 20, 2019, 11:37:59 PM
give me some examples of measures that would help that you think I would go along with

we had this discussion like a year ago.  if we wanted to (almost) end illegal immigration, it would an easy thing to do.  real natl id, enforcement of employment laws on employers and issue work visas commensurate with employment demand.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 21, 2019, 12:03:37 AM
give me some examples of measures that would help that you think I would go along with

we had this discussion like a year ago.  if we wanted to (almost) end illegal immigration, it would an easy thing to do.  real natl id, enforcement of employment laws on employers and issue work visas commensurate with employment demand.

yep me and big Don both would be with you on those
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 21, 2019, 12:07:41 AM
yep me and big Don both would be with you on those

neither me, nor you nor trump has done anything to bring any of those about, but only one of us is the president of the united states.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 21, 2019, 01:33:19 AM
yep me and big Don both would be with you on those

neither me, nor you nor trump has done anything to bring any of those about, but only one of us is the president of the united states.

but all three of us agree about the potential policy like three best buds.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 21, 2019, 08:31:59 AM
What we need is more wall

https://www.foxnews.com/us/30-unaccompanied-children-were-among-376-migrants-who-tunneled-under-border-wall-into-arizona
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 21, 2019, 09:45:15 AM
but all three of us agree about the potential policy like three best buds.

if trump had any interest in pursuing those employment enforcement he would have mentioned it at some point in the last three years in which he has run for president and been president.  we know he is not interested expanding work visas because he has proposed making sharp reductions to legal immigration.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 21, 2019, 09:48:13 AM
One of trump's positives is his vagueness and total inability to publicly speak in a detailed manner about policy is guys like 27 can convince themselves that trump supports anything they support.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 21, 2019, 11:30:00 AM
workplace enforcement is one of least popular immigration policies out there. It is nearly without a constituency other than Mickey Kaus and some of the other immigration weirdos who aren't just fired up about owning the libs with a wall.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 21, 2019, 11:50:42 AM
workplace enforcement is one of least popular immigration policies out there. It is nearly without a constituency other than Mickey Kaus and some of the other immigration weirdos who aren't just fired up about owning the libs with a wall.

yep.  our country is a piece of crap.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Katdaddy on January 21, 2019, 12:04:57 PM
JFC, anyone with a brain knows corporations and the rich don't want any enforcement of immigrate labor laws.  Employer/corporate fines for hiring illegal immigrates would stop most of the migration in a heartbeat.     
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 21, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vy7g7eL.jpg)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 21, 2019, 12:13:46 PM
People come here illegally so they can take wackycat08's taxes for socialism and vote democrat, jobs have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 21, 2019, 12:15:53 PM
People come here illegally so they can take wackycat08's taxes for socialism and vote democrat, jobs have nothing to do with it.
Scary
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 21, 2019, 12:18:19 PM
People come here illegally so they can take wackycat08's taxes for socialism and vote democrat, jobs have nothing to do with it.

lake houses
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 22, 2019, 08:31:38 AM
No cave!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 08:38:15 AM
#OPENBORDERSFORALL #DEMONCRAPS2020
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2019, 08:59:43 AM
Good job, dems.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 09:08:28 AM
No Negative consequences. #OPENBORDERSFORALL #DEMONCRAPS2020
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 22, 2019, 10:33:58 AM
what are you scared would happen if the united states border with mexico were treated like the united states border with canada, wackycat?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 10:38:55 AM
Canada has strict borders, SYS. They don't even want you in their country if you've ever had a DUI before. Isn't that the country all the dems wanted to move to if Trump was elected?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
Canada has strict borders, SYS. They don't even want you in their country if you've ever had a DUI before. Isn't that the country all the dems wanted to move to if Trump was elected?

How do they accomplish that without a wall?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2019, 10:46:46 AM
Canada has strict borders, SYS. They don't even want you in their country if you've ever had a DUI before. Isn't that the country all the dems wanted to move to if Trump was elected?

How do they accomplish that without a wall?

Shitloads of bears


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 22, 2019, 10:47:54 AM
Also cold as crap
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Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2019, 10:50:49 AM
Mosquitos out your entire ass and face


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 10:51:05 AM
There's a reason why barely anyone lives North in GOT.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2019, 10:51:11 AM
It’s a rough ridin' hellscape


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 22, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
I'm planning to go to Canada this summer. I hope they let me in.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 22, 2019, 10:52:52 AM
I think I'd just drive across the border and buy a house if I wanted to live there. How hard could it really be?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 22, 2019, 10:55:21 AM
Canada has strict borders, SYS. They don't even want you in their country if you've ever had a DUI before. Isn't that the country all the dems wanted to move to if Trump was elected?

How do they accomplish that without a wall?

thank you, rage.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 22, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
https://torontolife.com/city/life/dear-americans-moving-canada-hard/
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 22, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
Haha

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Trim on January 22, 2019, 11:12:44 AM
Canada border people (at airports and train stations, not the actual border) question the hell out of you about why you're coming there and have almost no understanding of credit card miles/points.  Eventually, they begrudgingly let you in.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 22, 2019, 01:49:12 PM
Canada border people (at airports and train stations, not the actual border) question the hell out of you about why you're coming there and have almost no understanding of credit card miles/points.  Eventually, they begrudgingly let you in.

Coming in at Vancouver the immigration guy couldn't believe I was just coming in to hang out and see the city. I thought this one guy was just being a c*blocker (Canada), glad to hear it's the norm.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 22, 2019, 02:55:39 PM
Canada border people (at airports and train stations, not the actual border) question the hell out of you about why you're coming there and have almost no understanding of credit card miles/points.  Eventually, they begrudgingly let you in.

Coming in at Vancouver the immigration guy couldn't believe I was just coming in to hang out and see the city. I thought this one guy was just being a c*blocker (Canada), glad to hear it's the norm.

Same experience.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 23, 2019, 03:42:00 PM
Canada has strict borders, SYS. They don't even want you in their country if you've ever had a DUI before. Isn't that the country all the dems wanted to move to if Trump was elected?

How do they accomplish that without a wall?

Oddly, Canada doesn't seem to have a problem with millions of Americans trying to sneak into their country. I mean who wouldn't spring for nine months of winter, higher taxes, shitty accents, no ice in sodas (now that's irony), and hockey as the national past time, eh?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 23, 2019, 03:52:01 PM
i'm almost positive that if we had no visa tourist entry for mexicans there would be very few mexicans sneaking into the country.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 11:24:04 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 24, 2019, 11:27:55 AM
This is a good idea for them, I don't see this ending soon.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 11:41:51 AM
I don't see this ending soon.

what changed your mind?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 24, 2019, 11:43:23 AM
Pretty soon 100% of federal employees will be people who were unable to find work anywhere else. That should work out great.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 24, 2019, 12:42:53 PM
I don't see this ending soon.

what changed your mind?

I didn't know the 'crats would spend so much time on "open the government, then we will negotiate"
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 12:53:43 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 01:15:20 PM
House in recess, just so very serious about getting this resolved.  Cue LibDerps in residence 3 . .  2 . . 1 . . .
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2019, 01:22:06 PM
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That’s awesome
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Cire on January 24, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
just go get a pay day loan dorks
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 01:33:09 PM
Had to double check and make sure that was Pelosi.  The semi cognizant usage of full sentences, lack of brain freeze  and not repeating phrases in a weird sociopathic way really threw me for a sec.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 24, 2019, 01:40:21 PM
Wrong thread bud (and did you retweet?)
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 01:47:43 PM
I didn't know the 'crats would spend so much time on "open the government, then we will negotiate"

yeah, they've done well.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 24, 2019, 01:48:20 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 01:49:31 PM
Cruz has a long and storied career of getting rough ridin' owned. His party, other party, his own family, it never stops.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 24, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
?s=21

 :love:
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Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
I’m convinced Republican senators are happy to keep the government shut down because people are putting more of the blame on Trump than on them. The longer this goes on, the less likely Trump is going to make a second term.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 03:13:41 PM
will be curious to see if anymore turn. crazy that a chuck schumer bill got more votes than the competing trump bill in a republican controlled senate.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 24, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
I’m convinced Republican senators are happy to keep the government shut down because people are putting more of the blame on Trump than on them. The longer this goes on, the less likely Trump is going to make a second term.

If people don't show up to vote for Trump, those same voters won't be at the polls to vote for the republican senators on the ballot.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2019, 03:29:10 PM
Lots of them were elected well before Trump, so I’m not sure I’m following the connection there.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 24, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
Is that shumer one the one that passed unanimously a month ago?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 03:44:40 PM
Wrong thread bud (and did you retweet?)

Pelosi in Pelosi thread Parody Poster LibDerp7, and no.   

You’re the last person who needs to be talking wrong thread.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 03:48:54 PM
Lots of them were elected well before Trump, so I’m not sure I’m following the connection there.

if a bunch of trump haters show up at the polls, they're likely not to vote for the 'pub senator on the ballot.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 24, 2019, 03:51:15 PM
Haha, ok dax
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 24, 2019, 03:52:06 PM

If they can't agree on something specific like a "wall," maybe they will be able to agree on something even more specific like a "down payment" for a "wall."
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 24, 2019, 04:52:08 PM
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5/10 .  .  . had he just invoked the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" then 8/10

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 04:57:34 PM
Lmao

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 24, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
He’s going to plead insanity
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 24, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
lol
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 24, 2019, 05:43:15 PM
the grocery store checker knows you guys, just go ask them for food.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 24, 2019, 05:48:01 PM
the grocery store checker knows you guys, just go ask them for food.

But only if you have ID
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 24, 2019, 07:26:37 PM
even kushner can't possibly be this stupid.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 24, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
Heh
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Kat Kid on January 24, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
shocking that president deals and his failson-in-law couldn't get this deal done.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: _33 on January 24, 2019, 08:20:32 PM
One side or the other should just back down. I mean it’s just a wall. Who really cares? It’s a wall.
Title: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 24, 2019, 08:21:56 PM
Trump and his family are really doing irreparable damage to the image of children of rich successful people.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 24, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
Trump and his family are really doing irreparable damage to the image of children of rich successful people.

this and his equally downgrade cabinet picks. it's incred. you could not pick a better lineup of soaking wet people.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2019, 05:46:20 AM
I pine for the days of pallets of cash rolling out of the backs of C-130’s on to tarmacs in Tehran, demands that the United States sign on to meaningless climate change accords, or turning over Al Qaeda terrorists in exchange for Army deserters being instantly heralded as great deals. 



Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: wetwillie on January 25, 2019, 06:52:48 AM
#metoo Dax
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2019, 08:59:41 AM
People are going to be so rough ridin' pissed if they feel like their refunds were delayed.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2019, 09:03:26 AM
Something else people will get super rough ridin' pissed off about.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 09:12:50 AM
welp, it was fun while it lasted, shutdown2019.  see you in september.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 25, 2019, 09:15:11 AM
On the plus side, I'm starting to believe Trump could lose his reelection campaign
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2019, 09:17:08 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 09:18:21 AM
People are going to be so rough ridin' pissed if they feel like their refunds were delayed.


these are the same people that think the IRS is evil. quite the pickle for them.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 25, 2019, 09:27:25 AM
They finally abolished the IRS.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 09:27:58 AM
if they were to trot that schumer bill back out today I think it passes
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 10:02:57 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
haha
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2019, 10:13:20 AM
Does she think it's a good thing for Trump to go ahead and hold his ground here?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 10:14:52 AM
Does she think it's a good thing for Trump to go ahead and hold his ground here?

from what I can tell from our trump fans here it seems that is what they prefer. correct me if I'm wrong here folks.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2019, 10:16:21 AM
And to clarify, I don't mean a good thing in general. I mean good for Trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 25, 2019, 10:47:20 AM
I think every Trumper feels as though they've gone too far to turn back now
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 10:48:28 AM
Yeah, like Donald they’re painted into a corner. No way out. Burn the boats. All that stuff.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 25, 2019, 11:12:50 AM
Just briefly checking back into this thread. I guess I'm one of those "Trump supporters" so here are my takes:
1. Congressional Pubs are starting to crack, just as I predicted, and are in all likelihood going to agree to some sort of compromise that sort of includes some "barrier" funding that Trump will be able to call a "wall" and the Dems will insist isn't, in exchange for some sort of additional legal protections for the "Dreamers."
2. Congressional Dems are also starting to crack, which I did not predict.
3. The media coverage is as slanted as ever.
4. This "shutdown" has yet to have any noticeable impact on my life, and I kinda wish these furloughed employees would just get the hint and quit.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 11:20:25 AM
i'll take a bet on whether there is any money for a new barrier, if you'd like to wager.

it sounds like they're (the senators) talking about a 3 week cr now, not longer term.  unless the white house changes that this afternoon, i'd assume it'll be a clean cr.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 11:40:00 AM
Is this real or

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 25, 2019, 12:12:13 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 12:23:28 PM
the humiliation
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 12:24:09 PM
irl a smart move by trump to cave. should have done so over a month ago but better late then never
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
irl a smart move by trump to cave. should have done so over a month ago but better late then never

yeah.  assuming he doesn't shut everything back down in three weeks (i don't think he will).
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 25, 2019, 12:30:46 PM
irl a smart move by trump to cave. should have done so over a month ago but better late then never
TrumPets are already spinning this as a good thing b/c of national emergency wall plans if they haven’t funded his wall after the three weeks are up
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 25, 2019, 12:45:40 PM
Dealmaker in chief
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2019, 12:51:27 PM
Pretty sad if Trump caves.

I'd rent those rolling video board trucks and play Pelosi and Schumer's then political expedient immigration stances (OKA telling the useful idiots what they want to hear at that particular point in time)  and have the trucks follow them wherever they go . . . volume on 11 obviously.


Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 12:56:10 PM
yeah great idea

when you are holding americans hostage for a wall that your campaign promised others would pay for
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 25, 2019, 12:57:55 PM
Pretty sad if Trump caves.

I'd rent those rolling video board trucks and play Pelosi and Schumer's then political expedient immigration stances (OKA telling the useful idiots what they want to hear at that particular point in time)  and have the trucks follow them wherever they go . . . volume on 11 obviously.

Great idea dax. This is the real story in all of this.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2019, 01:02:42 PM
If Trump truly was a Russian agent, he would keep this shutdown going as long as possible. So that would be an encouraging sign if he caves.
Title: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:19:40 PM
 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:22:37 PM
We’ve got an Israel wall mention!


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
He’s saying he rough ridin' caved in like a million words


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Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:23:57 PM
"Smart Walls"

with drones in them!!!
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:25:09 PM
"never wanted a concrete wall"

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/trump-concrete-wall-abandoned-contradicting-kellys-comments-interview/story?id=60089497
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
He’s going off script! lmao


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:27:01 PM
“They make a left or a right, whichever direction....”

:lol:


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Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: libstradamus on January 25, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
Listening to on script trump is so painful
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:27:39 PM
duct taped faces because of the internet!!!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:28:56 PM
He’s back on script :snooze:


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 25, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
First a right at the border, then a left or right when it's safe
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
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Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:31:40 PM
"3rd straight month, in a row"

 :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
“Drugs, will be cut by a number that nobody will believe” lmao


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:35:34 PM
Alright, he’s promising the executive action on Feb 15!

:excited:


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 25, 2019, 01:37:48 PM
How humiliating
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: Chingon on January 25, 2019, 01:38:19 PM
Trump didn't cave, he was betrayed by the RINOs that still need to purged from the GOP.

Less than a week from now, perhaps even within minutes, Trump loyalists will recall the shutdown as a total victory for standing up for true conservative ideals.
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:40:02 PM
Trump - A True Conservative 

:love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
Gotta feel good for resident Lib Derps that the teat of mother government will be unfurled at least for 3 weeks.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
He is bending to the Dem talking points. Modernize the points of entry, “smart” wall/drones, no concrete wall, never needed a wall across the whole border, etc. He’s going to grasp onto the Dem ideas so he can claim them as his own as a wall proxy. The deal master!


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:42:54 PM
feckless?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 25, 2019, 01:44:44 PM
“Drugs, will be cut by a number that nobody will believe” lmao


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They'd better not be cutting my drugs! :shakesfist:
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2019, 01:44:46 PM
Pathetic move by Trump.

I mean what a low point to be beaten up by two complete dolts in Nancy Pelosi who can't complete a cognizant sentence to save her soul and Chuck Schumer who may be the least imposing Dem majority/minority leader . . . ever.

Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
a little mad.  it would have been better if he'd been more committed.  this too-short shutdown will be forgotten in three months, much less 20.
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 01:49:58 PM
dude got dogwalked

(am i doing that right?)
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:50:37 PM
dude got dogwalked

(am i doing that right?)

Yes, confirmed


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 01:57:07 PM
if they were to trot that schumer bill back out today I think it passes

 :cool:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 25, 2019, 01:58:45 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 02:02:08 PM

wow
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
amaze that's what it takes for a draft dodger to finally be outed as a bigger wimp than a decorated WWII navy pilot
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
i mean i realize duh mocat that's why the tweet is funny but i still had to write it out to fully appreciate it
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
what's she gonna do, not vote for him in 2020?  gmafb.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 02:06:19 PM
lmao

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on January 25, 2019, 02:09:27 PM
Meh. I'm unimpressed that this is a win for anybody.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 02:13:04 PM
the next time around i would recommend that pelosi negotiate directly with the air traffic controllers.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
i think Pelosi has a little chris klieman in her
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 25, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
Meh. I'm unimpressed that this is a win for anybody.

Least of all those bum government workers who get paid for doing nothing. Not one lesson learned.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: ChiCat on January 25, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
Meh. I'm unimpressed that this is a win for anybody.

That is how you know that your side lost
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: ChiCat on January 25, 2019, 02:32:34 PM
I like dax's "Pelosi can't complete a sentence" talking point as he supports Trump
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 02:42:57 PM
cocaine nancy celebrating her gigantic win.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 25, 2019, 02:47:09 PM
Meh. I'm unimpressed that this is a win for anybody.

-Things people would have said if this passed a month ago before Trump’s poll numbers plummeted and Pelosi kicked his ass in every conceivable way politically.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Brock Landers on January 25, 2019, 02:58:58 PM

Trump screwing contractors out of getting paid, a tale as old as the hills.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 03:05:49 PM

Trump screwing contractors out of getting paid, a tale as old as the hills.

lmao
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
dude got dogwalked

(am i doing that right?)

Yes, confirmed


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 25, 2019, 04:16:10 PM
LMAO  :lol: at dipshits trying to make something of today, I predicted the checks would go out today, other than that all we have is an intermission.  Dipshits should be aware there will be no overtime awarded for all this extra spin.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 04:16:42 PM
enraged :-(


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 25, 2019, 04:18:38 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?

I’d be irate
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 25, 2019, 04:20:32 PM
enraged :-(


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dipshit
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 25, 2019, 04:21:53 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?

I’d be irate

nobodys caved yet dipshit
Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 25, 2019, 04:42:57 PM
I like dax's "Pelosi can't complete a sentence" talking point as he supports Trump

Yes, I am showing a lot of support for Trump in this thread, you nailed it.

Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 25, 2019, 04:43:33 PM
so, super mad?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: libstradamus on January 25, 2019, 04:48:09 PM
My prediction is trump caves and 27 still claims victory

 :gocho:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 25, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
Mods plz change my name to libstradamus
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
holy crap


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Title: Re: How mad are you that Trump Caved?
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 04:57:06 PM
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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 05:15:24 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?

I’d be irate

if you make enough predictions, you're gonna get some of them wrong.  no shame in that.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Schumer caves?
Post by: LickNeckey on January 25, 2019, 05:21:00 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?

I’d be irate

nobodys caved yet dipshit

adorbs
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 05:32:41 PM
so we can put 27 in the Sean Hannity camp of still backing the president post-cave. a true MAGAtriot.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: libstradamus on January 25, 2019, 05:36:03 PM
“They make a left or a right, whichever direction....”

:lol:


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: mocat on January 25, 2019, 05:47:31 PM
27,how mad will you be if trump caves again?

I’d be irate

nobodys caved yet dipshit
Straight to my veins
Title: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 25, 2019, 06:35:24 PM
LMAO  :lol: at dipshits trying to make something of today, I predicted the checks would go out today, other than that all we have is an intermission.  Dipshits should be aware there will be no overtime awarded for all this extra spin.
Just had beers with my air traffic controller buddy (<—-actually for real), and I canco that no checks went out today and they don’t expect them for a couple weeks
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Brock Landers on January 25, 2019, 07:10:12 PM
OMFG libstradamus  :lol:  And 27 pretending like this wasn't an absolute beatdown.  What an incredible day.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: Spracne on January 25, 2019, 07:25:12 PM
Trump's gonna need Elon Musk to get him out of this cave.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 08:09:57 PM
he lost lou dobbs. holy crap.  :lol:

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 08:12:22 PM
 :excited:


Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 08:13:04 PM
lmao

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 25, 2019, 08:23:33 PM
this is a fun read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/prisoner-of-his-own-impulse-inside-trumps-cave-to-end-shutdown-without-wall/2019/01/25/e4a4789a-20d5-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 08:37:20 PM
this is a fun read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/prisoner-of-his-own-impulse-inside-trumps-cave-to-end-shutdown-without-wall/2019/01/25/e4a4789a-20d5-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html

incred

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As for their negotiations, Trump and Pelosi had not spoken since their Jan. 9 session in which the president stormed out of the White House Situation Room. In a private meeting with some columnists earlier this week, Pelosi was asked why she thought Trump had not created a more potent nickname for her than “Nancy.” She replied, according to a senior Democratic aide, “Some people think that’s because he understands the power of the speaker.”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 25, 2019, 08:55:45 PM
this is a fun read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/prisoner-of-his-own-impulse-inside-trumps-cave-to-end-shutdown-without-wall/2019/01/25/e4a4789a-20d5-11e9-8b59-0a28f2191131_story.html

also this

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King faulted the conservative Freedom Caucus, led by Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), both Trump confidants, for steering the president in the wrong direction.

“I hope he ignores them for the next three weeks,” King said. “It’s the charge of the light brigade. It’s the valley of death.”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2019, 07:55:26 AM
 :lol:

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: catastrophe on January 26, 2019, 08:04:57 AM
Disappointed that Dax and KSUW couldn’t think up that one first.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2019, 08:10:57 AM
omfg  :lol:

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 26, 2019, 08:40:55 AM
There is a poll somewhere that indicates his rubes are rough ridin' freaked to death by “the caravan”
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 01:10:17 PM
I do enjoy the manic phase  :love:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: bucket on January 26, 2019, 03:16:59 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: _33 on January 26, 2019, 03:46:50 PM
Well, at least the government is open again so our lives can all go back to normal.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: michigancat on January 26, 2019, 04:27:24 PM
he lost lou dobbs. holy crap.  :lol:


I legit didn't realize gorka wasn't american
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: mocat on January 26, 2019, 04:35:39 PM
Well, at least the government is open again so our lives can all go back to normal.
800k people tho
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 26, 2019, 04:41:14 PM
I do enjoy the manic phase  :love:

what's trump's strategy going forward, g27?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
he's either going to executive order because he can't work a deal: cave again
agree to funding with no new wall money: cave again
convince congress to vote for a bill with $5b+ in new wall money: no double cave
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 26, 2019, 05:28:51 PM
Truly hope the national emergency card is played so I can observe LibDerp Perpetual Outrage Nation turn it up to 12.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 05:51:15 PM
I do enjoy the manic phase  :love:

what's trump's strategy going forward, g27?

I'll give you what I would do, and then what I think will happen.  cat27 would not be talking about National Emergency option, that came from Lindsey Grahamnesty who I dont trust and could get held up in courts past the next election.  I would just shut it back down if there is no deal, dems will crack over time, the re-shutdown features an opportunity for spineless rinos a chance to overide the veto but that would be suicide.  Trump could very well get a deal here, it would be a bad look for crats to stonewall, but if they do I think rinos pressure the NE thing because they don't really want anything to happen here.  The biggest mistake Trump made was giving the R douches the tax cut before he got border security.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 06:08:05 PM
I much prefer a deal, but if he goes National Emergency and gets it quickly upheld by the supremes and builds the wall pre-election it would be the best outcome of all, I'm confident he wins that battle but hate how long it could take.  NE has the best entertainment value as dax suggested
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 26, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
agreed national emergency would be most hilarious

pelosi will silverback his ass again in a shutdown. he's not so stupid he doesn't know that. maybe he is. we will see.

him just rolling over with no wall is his best outcome for a 2020 run should he live that long.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 06:16:59 PM
quit spraying spittle on my keyboard dude.....
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 26, 2019, 06:39:32 PM
Def should do National Emergency.

Don't know why he is being such a beta about it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: treysolid on January 26, 2019, 07:07:46 PM
a system of governance based on trolling
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 26, 2019, 07:44:59 PM
I'll give you what I would do, and then what I think will happen...

i hope you get your wish and we go back to a shutdown.  that would be the best option, i think.  i'm very afraid that trump is going to finally realize the miller, cotton and that group are a bunch of giant fuckwads and stop letting them control his options.  if he offers pelosi some daca crap for his wall, i'm very nervous that she'll take it, because the democratic caucus is filled with a ton of complete idiots that are just dying to make that trade.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
I'll give you what I would do, and then what I think will happen...

i hope you get your wish and we go back to a shutdown.  that would be the best option, i think.  i'm very afraid that trump is going to finally realize the miller, cotton and that group are a bunch of giant fuckwads and stop letting them control his options.  if he offers the pelosi some daca crap for his wall, i'm very nervous that she'll take it, because the democratic caucus is filled with a ton of complete idiots that are just dying to do make that trade.

This whole thing has so much spy vs. spy to it.  I thought it was extremely strange a year or so ago when Trump was offering up amnesties and the 'crats backed away.  I surmised at the time that they valued the political issue more than the solution so im still skeptical they will jump at a deal but revel in the idea that they are exposed to their constituents.  It was what spurred the daca masterpiece thread.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 26, 2019, 07:56:03 PM
it was trump that backed out of the deal.  the democrats got extremely lucky that he did so, it was a crap deal.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 08:02:24 PM
it was trump that backed out of the deal.  the democrats got extremely lucky that he did so, it was a crap deal.

wasn't it a court ruling or something that cooled it?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 26, 2019, 08:39:28 PM
i could read delusional jared stories for the rest of my life.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 26, 2019, 08:41:53 PM
wasn't it a court ruling or something that cooled it?

miller and kelly convinced trump to back out.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/did-two-white-house-advisers-help-push-trump-toward-a-shutdown
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 26, 2019, 09:42:26 PM
wasn't it a court ruling or something that cooled it?

miller and kelly convinced trump to back out.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/did-two-white-house-advisers-help-push-trump-toward-a-shutdown

all thats clear is that this guy thinks so, again alot of spy v. spy here.  After things got muddled it appears everybody scurried back to their safe spaces.  I frankly don't believe Trump wouldn't take a position and deal, you can if you want, all I know is he is bringing it up again.  :dunno:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: LickNeckey on January 27, 2019, 12:36:05 AM
i could read delusional jared stories for the rest of my life.


If anyone can fix the middle East it's the kush

 :facepalm:

what a time to be alive...
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 27, 2019, 08:15:39 AM
Guys I know all the cliche phrases let's do this.  Now what do I need to do to get you to walk out of here with this wall today?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: chum1 on January 27, 2019, 08:35:33 AM
i could read delusional jared stories for the rest of my life.

Very much reminds me of Jared's brother's buds that I worked with. Harvard, privileged backgrounds. Absolute confidence that they could handle anything that anyone had ever done before because they were at least as smart as anyone who'd ever done it before (but probably smarter and could do it better). This was also when tech startups were all the rage. Breaking, disrupting, etc. So, that totally just fed right into their unconditional confidence in their own abilities.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: 8manpick on January 27, 2019, 08:41:45 AM
I enjoy the dated spy vs spy references abuelo27
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 27, 2019, 09:23:54 AM
I'll give you what I would do, and then what I think will happen...

i hope you get your wish and we go back to a shutdown.  that would be the best option, i think.  i'm very afraid that trump is going to finally realize the miller, cotton and that group are a bunch of giant fuckwads and stop letting them control his options.  if he offers pelosi some daca crap for his wall, i'm very nervous that she'll take it, because the democratic caucus is filled with a ton of complete idiots that are just dying to make that trade.

Watching the lib Sunday shows its a mixed bag, MTP had people excited about amnesty for 10 million while amjoy psychos are stonewall city.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 27, 2019, 12:18:15 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/27/trump-faulted-for-government-shutdown-nbc-wsj-poll.html?__twitter_impression=true


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 27, 2019, 12:27:32 PM
that's a pretty good poll for trump.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 27, 2019, 12:29:27 PM
although he might worry about the fairly large number of people that said he was a lying sack of crap and incompetent at everything but they still approve of him.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (whoops, Trump caves master thread)
Post by: sys on January 27, 2019, 01:52:35 PM
this does hold up well, although i don't understand what the aide thought would be different about fighting in january vs over christmas.  also the passage below is funny.

Quote
Last spring, Trump was ready to shut it down until aides told him he wouldn’t be able to go to his Mar-a-Lago golf resort in Florida for the weekend because of bad optics. “eff that,” Trump said, according to The Wall Street Journal, before calling a news conference to trash the bill that he had decided to sign.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: catastrophe on January 27, 2019, 02:51:57 PM
I think the difference would be the optics of failing to pass anything when your party technically controls House and Senate vs. just Senate.

Not a practical distinction but still something.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: catastrophe on January 27, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
Probably backfired though because it would have been a senate issue if he tried getting the wall in Dec. Now this has been just as much a Pelosi kicking Trump’s ass issue.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on January 27, 2019, 03:01:41 PM
yeah, i can see that, but i don't think it actually makes a difference.  how many people even know/remember that this shutdown started when pubs had the house and how many of those people care?  i don't think it would change public opinion at all.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 28, 2019, 09:04:50 AM
?s=19
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: mocat on January 28, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
add it to the cost of the wall  :driving:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 28, 2019, 09:21:04 AM
add it to the cost of the wall  :driving:

The wall just got 2 feet shorter.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2019, 09:25:38 AM
I know 4-D business genius when I see it.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on January 28, 2019, 11:20:57 AM
lol

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
Congrats to Nancy Pelosi on her monumental 3 week re-opening of the already open, but not fully staff Federal Gov't.

It's the small victories that give LibDerp Nation such great joy.   
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on January 28, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
Still enraged dax? Wow
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2019, 11:48:34 AM
Still enraged dax? Wow

Oh no, just  :lol: at what LibDerp Nation considers "wins".

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: OK_Cat on January 28, 2019, 11:52:32 AM
Dax’s boy got dog walked and he’s so pissed off about it


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2019, 11:56:35 AM
Well if a 3 week continuing resolution gives resident LibDerp Nation such joy, then who am I to not  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: OK_Cat on January 28, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
Dax, what happens in three weeks when Nancy slaps Donnie again and he still doesn’t get his wall?

Will you disown him?


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
Dax, what happens in three weeks when Nancy slaps Donnie again and he still doesn’t get his wall?

Will you disown him?


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I never owned him . . . I mean, if there wasn't a least a slight counter around, we'd have to wear raincoats with all the LibDerp fapping that goes on in here.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: OK_Cat on January 28, 2019, 12:15:37 PM
Yeah, it’s obvious that you aren’t a trump fanboy. My bad!


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 28, 2019, 01:35:55 PM
Yeah, it’s obvious that you aren’t a trump fanboy. My bad!


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Some people don't get gE'ing . . . sorry you're one of them OKC.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 28, 2019, 02:03:02 PM
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2019, 06:08:25 PM
?s=21


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 29, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
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SD what's 11 Billion divided by 20.66 Trillion?

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on January 29, 2019, 08:19:35 PM
so we could have funded half the wall by now if Nancy didn't hate Big Don so much.  Instead we got nuthin'  :facepalm:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: mocat on January 29, 2019, 09:34:25 PM
?s=21


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SD what's 11 Billion divided by 20.66 Trillion?
lmao
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Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2019, 06:03:25 AM
?s=21


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SD what's 11 Billion divided by 20.66 Trillion?
lmao

Yea i mean round up to 21 Trillion ffs Dax.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2019, 07:00:45 AM
lmao

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on January 30, 2019, 07:28:56 AM
Yelling at the players on the court to do what you just got benched for doing.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2019, 08:08:50 AM
The use of Capital Letters is out of control.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2019, 08:21:30 AM
The use of Capital Letters is out of control.
I can almost understand how an old would mess up "Wall" but "Wasting"? Is that for emphasis? Too lazy to all cap it?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on January 30, 2019, 09:22:42 AM

Just remembering when 27 tried to float this and everyone laughed at him
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: 8manpick on January 30, 2019, 09:27:46 AM

Just remembering when 27 tried to float this and everyone laughed at him
Did you not get your check?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2019, 10:42:17 AM

Just remembering when 27 tried to float this and everyone laughed at him

canco I got a huge kick out of that infowars talking point
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (where no democrat answers thread)
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2019, 06:57:56 PM
Cruz has a long and storied career of getting rough ridin' owned. His party, other party, his own family, it never stops.


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2019, 08:18:40 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on January 31, 2019, 08:23:47 PM
heh.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 03, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
 :users:

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Phil Titola on February 04, 2019, 08:55:51 AM
It appears many people don't know the definition of emergency.

Maybe I'll go to.the emegency room someday for this ailment.

Hey guys, call 911 tomorrow, we've got an emergency here.

I'm going to send this email high priority for something that needs attention in 3 months.

Officer "sir I see you were going below the speed limit minimum, what's the emergency bud?"
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on February 04, 2019, 09:00:26 AM
I'm actually pretty disappointed in kdub for supporting the national emergency nonsense. He has trump derangement syndrome I suppose.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: mocat on February 04, 2019, 09:04:18 AM
I'm actually pretty disappointed in kdub for supporting the national emergency nonsense.

i can't tell if he's even being serious or not about it. if he is serious, it is 100% to own the libs and i really do mean that.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 04, 2019, 03:53:35 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 04, 2019, 05:35:52 PM
mods, please move the last post into the everyone loves pelosi, a national heroine thread.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 05, 2019, 09:20:21 AM
Not a good start to the second half.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 05, 2019, 09:24:14 AM
$5B wouldn't really pay for anything. I don't see why the democrats would accept $2B but not $5B. It's purely symbolic at this point. $1 should be too much for them.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 05, 2019, 09:54:24 AM
I don't see why the democrats would accept $2B but not $5B. It's purely symbolic at this point. $1 should be too much for them.

yep.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 05, 2019, 09:58:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1092982997496881153
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 07, 2019, 02:18:55 PM
Times running out, ya best have Don's wall money by next Fridee
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on February 07, 2019, 02:30:24 PM
Or what? He'll cave again?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 07, 2019, 02:31:03 PM
Donald is going to be very mad.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: ChiCat on February 07, 2019, 02:35:35 PM
Another shut down wouldn't last a week.  5 air traffic controllers would call in and it would be over in two days.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 08, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
I think he's developing a taste for caving.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 08, 2019, 12:22:46 PM
i'd call two billion for new barriers a pelosi cave.  that's not acceptable and hopefully not accurate.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: catastrophe on February 08, 2019, 12:42:33 PM
Yeah that’s def a cave
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: steve dave on February 08, 2019, 12:56:28 PM
Everyone caving all over the place


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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2019, 01:02:54 PM
I thought the LibDerp side was no money . . . oh well, this "caving" stuff is really important to resident LibDerps/Fake Centrists/Extreme Whack-A-Doo's

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 08, 2019, 03:31:30 PM
I've got this sniffed out, Pelosi knows she can't stiffarm the wall funding so she allows 2 bill there but doesn't want the deal to happen so they will load the bill with crap sandwiches that Big Don won't tolerate to get him to walk away.  We are not going to get a deal next week unless the crats stop playing games.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 10, 2019, 10:22:46 AM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 10, 2019, 01:24:44 PM
this is reassuring.  much better than the friday report.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 08:33:39 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2019, 08:52:39 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Spracne on February 11, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Sounds like Pelosi caved. Sys must be furious.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Trim on February 11, 2019, 09:06:50 PM
Is america gonna spend $1.375b building a fourth of a wall?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 09:48:40 PM
Sounds like Pelosi caved. Sys must be furious.

it's less that the 1.6 that was offered before the shutdown.  so, it's stupid and shitty to build more walls, but i wouldn't call it a cave.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 09:56:17 PM
its gonna be hard to stop the national emergency now that congress is in the wall funding bidness rubes.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 09:57:20 PM
its like being a little bit pregnant
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 10:06:46 PM
 :)

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on February 11, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
Cave smdh
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 10:31:14 PM
I love a good bipartisan wall funding bill this time a year, glad we could all agree on this one
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Spracne on February 11, 2019, 10:33:49 PM
Sounds like Pelosi caved. Sys must be furious.

it's less that the 1.6 that was offered before the shutdown.  so, it's stupid and shitty to build more walls, but i wouldn't call it a cave.

I thought $1 would be considered a cave?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: wetwillie on February 11, 2019, 10:38:24 PM
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Sources tell Fox News the $1.3 billion can be used only for new construction that would cover approximately 55 miles of border territory in the Rio Grande Valley.

This should satisfy the rubes and let everyone move on. 
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on February 11, 2019, 10:39:34 PM
Pretty lol @ 55 miles of new crap being a spike the ball moment for 27
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 10:40:01 PM
I thought $1 would be considered a cave?

i mean, if they're offering less than they did before the shutdown, and they are, then i don't see how it could be considered a cave.


i've said before that i thought they were complete pieces of crap for offering anything ever.  although $1 would be ok as a troll.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Spracne on February 11, 2019, 10:41:31 PM
I thought $1 would be considered a cave?

i mean, if they're offering less than they did before the shutdown, and they are, then i don't see how it could be considered a cave.


i've said before that i thought they were complete pieces of crap for offering anything ever.  although $1 would be ok as a troll.

The fact that you're rationalizing this obvious cave tells me all I need to know.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Trim on February 11, 2019, 10:45:07 PM
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Sources tell Fox News the $1.3 billion can be used only for new construction that would cover approximately 55 miles of border territory in the Rio Grande Valley.

Someone post a map of this.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 10:45:55 PM
The fact that you're rationalizing this obvious cave tells me all I need to know.

i think you're having a hard time distinguishing between reality and what i wish reality was.  i try to keep those two straight in my own mind.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 10:47:28 PM
sys is being disingenuous, he knows the 1.6 was not for physical barriers and that the 1.39 now is.

libstradumbass should also be aware that T-dawg will take that 55 miles worth and keep dunkin' until he gets it all.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 10:50:00 PM
sys is being disingenuous, he knows the 1.6 was not for physical barriers and that the 1.39 now is.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: treysolid on February 11, 2019, 10:56:03 PM
here's how dumb Trump is: he'll veto this and shut down the government again, and then still be forced to open it back up empty-handed
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 10:56:40 PM
sys is being disingenuous, he knows the 1.6 was not for physical barriers and that the 1.39 now is.


yes sys you are correct I remember Nancy saying "There will be no, I mean 1.6 billion for Donalds wall in our bill"
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 11:00:15 PM
There still is a good chance this agreement blows up.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: treysolid on February 11, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
when trump said there would be a big beautiful door in the wall, I didn't realize that the door was going to be more of a "gap" and that it was going to be 1900 miles wide. i mean, if i had known, i would have been behind this from the start.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 11:06:00 PM
when trump said there would be a big beautiful door in the wall, I didn't realize that the door was going to be more of a "gap" and that it was going to be 1900 miles wide. i mean, if i had known, i would have been behind this from the start.

welcome aboard the wall building Trump Train treysolid  :cheers:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 11:06:35 PM
yes sys you are correct I remember Nancy saying "There will be no, I mean 1.6 billion for Donalds wall in our bill"

pelosi reduced it to 1.3 when she took over.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 11, 2019, 11:08:02 PM
yes sys you are correct I remember Nancy saying "There will be no, I mean 1.6 billion for Donalds wall in our bill"

pelosi reduced it to 1.3 when she took over.

serious question, are you nuts?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 11, 2019, 11:12:03 PM
Remember when Trump turned down $25 billion last year? That was fun.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 11, 2019, 11:18:26 PM
There still is a good chance this agreement blows up.

let's hope.

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Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 12, 2019, 12:52:06 AM
I didn’t realize SysWhackadoo and so many LibDerps were owned outright by Big Open Border, but here we are. 

Sad
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Phil Titola on February 12, 2019, 07:46:20 AM
From Mexico is paying for a big beautiful sea to shining sea concrete wall to 55 miles of bollards the American public is paying for.

Mark it up as a win trumpguys!  :cheers:

I still think it's a cave by the Dems. I think they could have stuck on zero for a physical barrier money no matter if that's just semantics.  Both sides gave, almost you know the way negotiating should be?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2019, 08:24:06 AM
Is "Trump didn't cave, Pelosi caved" essentially like 5th Avenue shooting thing?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on February 12, 2019, 08:25:21 AM
Trump's cave was certainly 10x bigger
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 12, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
I'd say Trump won this negotiation because there was no real reason for him to get anything at all.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: LickNeckey on February 12, 2019, 09:56:40 AM
sys is being disingenuous, he knows the 1.6 was not for physical barriers and that the 1.39 now is.

libstradumbass should also be aware that T-dawg will take that 55 miles worth and keep dunkin' until he gets it all.

 :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: catastrophe on February 12, 2019, 10:35:02 AM
I'd say Trump won this negotiation because there was no real reason for him to get anything at all.

Mostly agree. But the limitation on detention beds is something the Dems couldn’t have gotten any other way with Trump. We’ll see if it actually happens. If it goes through and he signs it, it’s only cause Pelosi has a vice grip on his balls.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: wetwillie on February 12, 2019, 10:56:05 AM
I think ultimately America won that we can permanently move on from the idiotic wall
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: LickNeckey on February 12, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
you guys gots to be gettin sick of winning so much!!!!

GRATS!
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 12, 2019, 12:30:33 PM
yes sys you are correct I remember Nancy saying "There will be no, I mean 1.6 billion for Donalds wall in our bill"

pelosi reduced it to 1.3 when she took over.

serious question, are you nuts?

how is it possible that i'm the only one that remembers the events that occurred throughout this saga?  like, i know you were following it because you were posting in this thread daily.


the senate passed a bill that included 1.6 because pence said trump would support it, trump said he wouldn't and ryan didn't put it up for a vote in the house.  pelosi came in and the house passed a bill with 1.3 and mcconnell wouldn't put it up for a vote and funding ran out starting the shutdown.  35 days went by, then they passed the 3 week stopgap and here we are four days left on that.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 12, 2019, 12:32:31 PM
nobody is saying Trump got a huuuuge victory here, more like kicking a field goal
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 12, 2019, 12:36:07 PM
yes sys you are correct I remember Nancy saying "There will be no, I mean 1.6 billion for Donalds wall in our bill"

pelosi reduced it to 1.3 when she took over.

serious question, are you nuts?

how is it possible that i'm the only one that remembers the events that occurred throughout this saga?  like, i know you were following it because you were posting in this thread daily.


the senate passed a bill that included 1.6 because pence said trump would support it, trump said he wouldn't and ryan didn't put it up for a vote in the house.  pelosi came in and the house passed a bill with 1.3 and mcconnell wouldn't put it up for a vote and funding ran out starting the shutdown.  35 days went by, then they passed the 3 week stopgap and here we are four days left on that.

It's like you don't even know what the main point of contention was  :lol:
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Dlew12 on February 12, 2019, 12:44:00 PM
good grief, this damn wall.  get over it already, everyone.

if a compromise is reached where both sides feel like they got screwed and humiliated, then that's perfect.  let's pass a budget.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2019, 12:45:48 PM
The only way i’ll claim victory is if Trump gets his money for the wall.

T-dawg will take that 55 miles worth and keep dunkin' until he gets it all.

How many more miles of wall until completion? Is 50 miles of wall every two years the rate we should expect going forward?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: LickNeckey on February 12, 2019, 12:54:17 PM
yes sys you are correct I remember Nancy saying "There will be no, I mean 1.6 billion for Donalds wall in our bill"

pelosi reduced it to 1.3 when she took over.

serious question, are you nuts?

how is it possible that i'm the only one that remembers the events that occurred throughout this saga?  like, i know you were following it because you were posting in this thread daily.


the senate passed a bill that included 1.6 because pence said trump would support it, trump said he wouldn't and ryan didn't put it up for a vote in the house.  pelosi came in and the house passed a bill with 1.3 and mcconnell wouldn't put it up for a vote and funding ran out starting the shutdown.  35 days went by, then they passed the 3 week stopgap and here we are four days left on that.

It's like you don't even know what the main point of contention was  :lol:

 :confused:

demand for 5.7 billion

right?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 12, 2019, 01:08:40 PM
The only way i’ll claim victory is if Trump gets his money for the wall.

T-dawg will take that 55 miles worth and keep dunkin' until he gets it all.

How many more miles of wall until completion? Is 50 miles of wall every two years the rate we should expect going forward?

think of it as a first down on a long drive to a touchdown, he will keep using different tools in his toolbox to get it done.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 12, 2019, 01:37:26 PM
The only way i’ll claim victory is if Trump gets his money for the wall.

T-dawg will take that 55 miles worth and keep dunkin' until he gets it all.

How many more miles of wall until completion? Is 50 miles of wall every two years the rate we should expect going forward?

think of it as a first down on a long drive to a touchdown, he will keep using different tools in his toolbox to get it done.

Suppose he is reelected and continues at his current pace. He will have completed 200 miles of wall. Will that constitute all of the wall?
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 12, 2019, 01:45:29 PM
I don't think he is going to get nearly 50 miles built with this funding, anyway. Probably more like 10 miles.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: libstradamus on February 12, 2019, 01:49:07 PM
good grief, this damn wall.  get over it already, everyone.

if a compromise is reached where both sides feel like they got screwed and humiliated, then that's perfect.  let's pass a budget.

Reluctantly agree with dlew, this is what American government is all about
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 14, 2019, 03:47:59 PM
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: Phil Titola on February 14, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
Court time.

This is why the Dems caved. Giving him any funding didn't make a lick of difference.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 14, 2019, 10:11:23 PM
yep.

Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 14, 2019, 11:23:20 PM
His genius is forcing his foe to defend the indefensible.  The 'crats all  reved up on hate fall for it every time.  'crats would do much better to work with him than against him.  His instincts for working on the behalf of the broadest section of the American people are impeccable and fighting him at every turn is a looooooooser.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: sys on February 14, 2019, 11:39:14 PM
His genius is forcing his foe to defend the indefensible.  The 'crats all  reved up on hate fall for it every time.

the article i posted stated (correctly) the exact opposite of what you are stating.  the democrats declined to make an argument against a need for additional security, instead focusing all their attention on procedural arguments (shutdown, emergency declaration) than they think are more politically advantageous.
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 15, 2019, 12:17:28 AM
His genius is forcing his foe to defend the indefensible.  The 'crats all  reved up on hate fall for it every time.

the article i posted stated (correctly) the exact opposite of what you are stating.  the democrats declined to make an argument against a need for additional security, instead focusing all their attention on procedural arguments (shutdown, emergency declaration) than they think are more politically advantageous.

suit yourself
Title: Re: How mad will you be if Pelosi caves? (go have some orange slices it's halftime)
Post by: chum1 on February 15, 2019, 10:29:42 AM
If this nonsense must happen, money from defense is like the best possible scenario.