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Quote from: catastrophe on October 31, 2022, 09:44:44 AMFeel free to clarify.Your movement calls 1/6 a coup, there's no need to clarify that anymore. It's like you mush brains have never seen an actual coup or ever studied one.
Feel free to clarify.
A member of the far-right Oath Keepers extremist group has pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and obstruction in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol and agreed to cooperate with the government.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States , or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force .
They were exclusively charged with that because of their attempt to stop a legislative process, specifically the transfer of presidential power. It was not an attempt to overthrow the government of these United States.Goodness . . . I mean
Dax: it’s like you derps don’t even understand what a coup is. All they were doing is trying to prevent the landslide winner of a national election from taking power.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on October 31, 2022, 10:32:25 AMThey were exclusively charged with that because of their attempt to stop a legislative process, specifically the transfer of presidential power. It was not an attempt to overthrow the government of these United States.Goodness . . . I mean Dax, it's amazing that your brain is so partisanly broken that you can post these two thoughts without a hint of irony
Dax, how else would you overthrow a democracy other than by interfering with legislative process?And conspiracy is hard to prove when the crime isn’t successful. They absolutely would have been charged with treason if they succeeded in hanging Pence or whatever else they were talking about.
Quote from: catastrophe on October 31, 2022, 11:39:29 AMDax, how else would you overthrow a democracy other than by interfering with legislative process?And conspiracy is hard to prove when the crime isn’t successful. They absolutely would have been charged with treason if they succeeded in hanging Pence or whatever else they were talking about.A singular legislative process is not our entire Democracy.Killing a singular person does not stop the line of succession. They would have been charged with murder.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on October 31, 2022, 11:43:53 AMQuote from: catastrophe on October 31, 2022, 11:39:29 AMDax, how else would you overthrow a democracy other than by interfering with legislative process?And conspiracy is hard to prove when the crime isn’t successful. They absolutely would have been charged with treason if they succeeded in hanging Pence or whatever else they were talking about.A singular legislative process is not our entire Democracy.Killing a singular person does not stop the line of succession. They would have been charged with murder. in this instance the singular legislative process was the transfer of power to the rightful winner of a democratic electioni am not sure why i feel it is necessary to type this
What the Oath Keepers et al tried to do is hardly different than what happens in other Banana Republics: the illegitimate ruler holds power by seizing control of the military. If the legislative transfer of power process was effectively stopped, Trump would have technically still held the title of commander in chief despite being democratically voted out of that role. I’d like to think our generals still would have told him to get effed but that’s not a certainty.
To believe 1/6 was an attempt to overthrow the government, a coup. Would mean that you believe that there was a realistic path for Don Trump to remain POTUS.If you believe that, you are 1000% certifiably delusional, and possibly even insane