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[sonofdaxjones]

All normal - sane people should celebrate that a  #blueanon insane Uber whack job has been exited out of Congress.


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[sys]

bowman didn't lose to torres (and torres isn't identical to bowman on policy).

[MakeItRain]

bowman didn't lose to torres (and torres isn't identical to bowman on policy).

Sheesh, of course Latimer, that's a stupid mistake. Where do Bowman, Latimer, and Torres for that matter differ on policy, particularly as it relates to the party platform? There's certainly a difference in rhetoric, but actual policy positions and voting record?
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house

[sys]

torres and bowman are on opposite ends of the israel/palestinian axis and to some extent that extends to how they treat american jews.  they're both very progressive on most domestic issues, so as you say, different rhetoric but pretty similar votes.

latimer has only served in local govt, so there's no record as to how he would vote on natl issues.  he was widely viewed as a moderate, but of course one of the dirty little secrets about current american politics is that there's very little difference among members of the same party.  i'm sure he'll be a loyal dem vote.

[MakeItRain]

torres and bowman are on opposite ends of the israel/palestinian axis and to some extent that extends to how they treat american jews.  they're both very progressive on most domestic issues, so as you say, different rhetoric but pretty similar votes.

How can they both be on the opposite ends of the spectrum when both believe their should be a two state solution? They both want the conflict to end. The difference is solely rhetoric
https://x.com/RitchieTorres/status/1748373867729445372
The far left he's talking about here aren't anyone in Congress. I hope you aren't suggesting that Bowman has denied Israel's right to exist.

[sys]

I hope you aren't suggesting that Bowman has denied Israel's right to exist.

he voted yes on a resolution affirming israel's right to exist, so i suppose we have to take him at his word - despite his other rhetoric in praise of people that have called for the destruction of israel and the massacre of israelis.

here's bowman's voting record on everything touching upon israel.  i didn't find anything so concise for torres, but he obviously voted yes on all the defense appropriations for israel and the anti-semitism bill was one he wrote.  he's widely considered one of the most pro-israel dems in congress.  i think it's fair to say they have different voting records on israel.

Voting record

    05/01/2024 - Antisemitism Awareness Act of 2023 [adoption of IHRA] - NO
    04/20/2024 - Israel Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024 - NO
    04/18/2024 - Condemning Iran's unprecedented drone and missile attack on Israel - NO
    04/17/2024 - Standing Against Houthi Aggression Act [designate as terrorist org] - NO
    04/17/2024 - Iran Counterterrorism Act of 2023 - NO
    04/16/2024 - Encouraging the EU to DESIGNATE [IRGC as terrorist organization] Resolution - NO
    04/16/2024 - Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the slogan, "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” [is antisemitic and will be condemned] - NO
    04/16/2024 - Iran Sanctions Accountability Act of 2023 - NO
    02/06/2024 - Israel Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024 - NO
    12/13/2023 - Condemning antisemitism on University campuses - NO
    12/05/2023 - Strongly condemning and denouncing the drastic rise of antisemitism in the United States and around the world - NO
    12/02/2023 - H Res 798 - Condemning the support of Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terrorist organizations at institutions of higher education, which may lead to the creation of a hostile environment for Jewish students, faculty, and staff. - NO
    11/01/2023 - Hamas International Financing Prevention Act - NO
    10/25/2023- Standing with Israel as it defends itself against the barbaric war launched by Hamas and other terrorists - NO

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801338

[sys]

btwn ucla getting slapped down for not preventing protests from attacking jewish students and columbia ousting a trio of deans for anti-jewish comments and now their president stepping down, it feels a bit like there might be a return of at least an incentive towards sanity on campuses.



https://x.com/RitchieTorres/status/1823877239265521674

[steve dave]

nobody beats ackman. I mean, most people do directly, but in the macro nobody beats him.

[sys]

sorry, i'm not familiar with all the new bespoke talking points.  you prefer ackman to the traditional soros?