oscar still sucks

[chum1]

It (again) feels like people are going to great lengths to quantitatively split hairs about why they don't like oscar when they could instead just state the arbitrary reason of their choice. It's ultimately all just a matter of personal preference.

Of course personal preference is definitely a big part of it. I don't like his brand of basketball and I would prefer better teams.

There's some objectively knowable conclusion being argued here? What is it? A lot of people don't care at all about how the basketball team performs.

[sys]

michigancat, i don't think your argument is very convincing.  i don't know how you managed to convince wetwillie.

[pissclams]

we should have lost to umbc.  climbing that mountain and oscar planting his flag atop its peak was incredible (for some people).

[michigancat]

michigancat, i don't think your argument is very convincing.  i don't know how you managed to convince wetwillie.

I mean really my only argument is that we'll rarely be more than a bubble team with oscar and these four games do not change that.

[DQ12]

Only complete idiots thought we were on the bubble on selection Sunday this year.

[wetwillie]

michigancat, i don't think your argument is very convincing.  i don't know how you managed to convince wetwillie.

You are the OG conference record is the best indicator of program health sir.

[pissclams]

Only complete idiots thought we were on the bubble on selection Sunday this year.

slightly better than a bubble team!

[wetwillie]

It (again) feels like people are going to great lengths to quantitatively split hairs about why they don't like oscar when they could instead just state the arbitrary reason of their choice. It's ultimately all just a matter of personal preference.

Of course personal preference is definitely a big part of it. I don't like his brand of basketball and I would prefer better teams.

There's some objectively knowable conclusion being argued here? What is it? A lot of people don't care at all about how the basketball team performs.

I just clearly stated how the basketball team performs and the results are worse than average. I still like oscar.

[michigancat]

Only complete idiots thought we were on the bubble on selection Sunday this year.

Making the tournament was certainly in doubt before the Baylor game in March. To me, that makes us a "bubble team" even though they were safe selection Sunday.

There's always a huge glut of teams that are all about the same quality in that 30-50 range and that is oscar's wheelhouse. <--- more precise than "bubble team"

[sys]

michigancat, i don't think your argument is very convincing.  i don't know how you managed to convince wetwillie.

You are the OG conference record is the best indicator of program health sir.

the trend is improving from what seems to have been a fluke season and it's relevant to consider how strong the conference has been recently.  if you want to say he's been very .500y in the best conference in the country, that's fine, but that doesn't add up to an average coach.

[michigancat]

michigancat, i don't think your argument is very convincing.  i don't know how you managed to convince wetwillie.

You are the OG conference record is the best indicator of program health sir.

the trend is improving from what seems to have been a fluke season and it's relevant to consider how strong the conference has been recently.  if you want to say he's been very .500y in the best conference in the country, that's fine, but that doesn't add up to an average coach.

Some might say that's average for a big 12 coach.

[wetwillie]

michigancat, i don't think your argument is very convincing.  i don't know how you managed to convince wetwillie.

You are the OG conference record is the best indicator of program health sir.

the trend is improving from what seems to have been a fluke season and it's relevant to consider how strong the conference has been recently.  if you want to say he's been very .500y in the best conference in the country, that's fine, but that doesn't add up to an average coach.

Throwing out best conference in the country pretty liberally there big fella

[sys]

also, i mentioned conference record as the metric for how satisfying/accomplished i consider a season to have been.  for the quality of a team or program, i'd advocate using the kenpom score.

[sys]

Some might say that's average for a big 12 coach.

sure.

[sys]

Throwing out best conference in the country pretty liberally there big fella

it's been the kp #1 conference for the last five years straight.

[wetwillie]

That’s a lot of straight years, maybe a coefficient needs to be applied. 

[Phil Titola]

LOL at all you losers who thought this "run" meant anything. Get ready for years of bubble team mediocrity.

8 pages late...agreed

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don’t think oscar will ever put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at winning the Big 12, or to put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at a deep tournament run. A tournament run could happen with a lot of crazy luck, but it’s not realistic to think that will happen.

[Phil Titola]

I can't figure out why every media honk can't get enough of telling k-state fans how good oscar is and how we should be satisfied?

[wetwillie]

I don’t think oscar will ever put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at winning the Big 12, or to put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at a deep tournament run. A tournament run could happen with a lot of crazy luck, but it’s not realistic to think that will happen.

Next year's team will have a realistic shot at both a big 12 title and a deep tourney run. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don’t think oscar will ever put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at winning the Big 12, or to put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at a deep tournament run. A tournament run could happen with a lot of crazy luck, but it’s not realistic to think that will happen.

Next year's team will have a realistic shot at both a big 12 title and a deep tourney run.

I don’t see it.

[cat97]

I don’t think oscar will ever put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at winning the Big 12, or to put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at a deep tournament run. A tournament run could happen with a lot of crazy luck, but it’s not realistic to think that will happen.

I agree.  No chance of winning the Big 12 til next year.  We're the last team in the Big 12 to tie Kansas.  Two pre season all league performers coming back and all other players from an elite 8 squad. 

Weber and all the players plus some additions will be back in spite of whining by those with low bbiq.

[pissclams]

next year’s team = this year’s team
limited low post presence and completely dependent upon outside shooting
we won’t shoot the ball incrementally better than we did this year

i expect a very similar record with less of a tournament run

[DQ12]

I don’t think oscar will ever put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at winning the Big 12, or to put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at a deep tournament run.

This year wasn't a deep tournament run?  We're final four or bust now? 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don’t think oscar will ever put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at winning the Big 12, or to put a team on the floor with a realistic shot at a deep tournament run.

This year wasn't a deep tournament run?  We're final four or bust now?

This year was a deep tournament run. We didn’t have a realistic shot at it going in, though. The stars just aligned to give us an easier path to the final 4 than any other team, which is very unusual for a 9 seed.