2020 presidential candidate 'crats

[Spracne]

There are a lot, and I mean, a lot of things to like about Bernie, but there is plenty to hate about him too. I get Bernie Bros hating this outcome, and there is a lot of be disappointed about, but Bernie, and definitely more specifically his supporters definitely to me are classic have it right in the big picture, but absolutely zero realistic path to make it happen. It's definitely clear there are major issues, pandemic aside, with the US, and this pandemic is only massively exposing them.

However, he has hardly any key allies save like AOC and Omar in the house, and maybe Liz Warren in the Senate. But both he and his supporters are so voracious in their attacks of anyone who doesn't toe w/e line they have in their heads it pretty easy to go from wanting to support the guy to being swallowed up by the twitter and facebook crazies. Hell while Warren could go to bat for him she could just as easily take how she was treated by Bernie Bros and just not do anything, hell even AOC gets blasted by some of the zealots as a sell out occasionally. It's a classic inability to truly grow his base, and even if he somehow, somehow won the democratic primary, I would have serious reservations of him winning any key state he'd need to win (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania) either better than Biden could, or definitely vs trump.

And even if he somehow won the presidency, a giant if, and even more giant if is how the hell would he actually get anything that he wanted done. Passing the ACA was practically political suicide in 2010, it would be even more so to try and do M4A, and hence much more reluctance from democrats this time around, let alone anything to do with college, or social programs he wants done, and I can just see the headlines for 4 years as virtually nothing gets done unless he makes concessions of "Socialist President can't achieve anything" and he'd probably be slaughtered in 2024.

Biden won because he had all the key support, was seen as a less extreme version of the 3 options on the table, and as you saw in Michigan it clearly seems especially in the democratic side Bernie made hardly any gains (actually made some losses) and it really shows just how hated Hillary was. You might not like Biden, but he doesn't elicit that vitriolic response.

The only thing that gets me about Bernie Bros is how quick so many don't want to vote for Biden, I both appreciate and respect that gumption to stick to certain principals, and think Biden doesn't have all that you want, but I never can understand how you would rather vote for some 3rd party candidate who is definitely not going to win, or not vote at all, all because you might only get a few things from one candidate, vs getting absolutely nothing from the other candidate, and then bitching about it for 4 years of just how terrible it is to get nothing. Would you rather have Trump appointing RBG's vacancy? What about having him in charge of IDK, a crisis like this? Even if Biden is starting to wane a bit mentally would you rather his cabinet helping him manage this vs Mnuchin, Ivanka, Jared? Are you tired of seeing the president of the goddamn US fight like a 5 year old with reporters cause they are asking him big mean questions?

I get the policy bits, I understand "you know what's better for this country so vote for Bernie goddamn it," but how can you be so ideologically pure that anything less comes along and it's not just not good enough, but it's practically seen as abhorrent

Being President is an important job no doubt, but it doesn't mean you live with that person, or you have to defend everything that person does, but then again you get in that mode I guess. Oh well.

Unlike @michigancat, I appreciated this post. Very pragmatic analysis.

[michigancat]

I'd be curious how you're defining demagogue.

a populist.  a politician who diagnoses every ill as the fault of a scapegoat doing something to exploit,oppress or defraud the true volk.

Uhhh

[MakeItRain]

there are no reasons to hate Bernie, sorry

Agreed and I didn't even caucus for the man.

[sys]

lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.

fascism is one flavor of populism.

[Kat Kid]

lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.

fascism is one flavor of populism.

your logic chain is dogshit because you are in your feelings bud.

[MakeItRain]

Jesus Christ, I can't believe we ever took this bullshit seriously.

[sys]

your logic chain is dogshit because you are in your feelings bud.

that's funny.

[CHONGS]

lmao you really trying to peddle class analysis as fascism.

fascism is one flavor of populism.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

[SkinnyBenny]

There are a lot, and I mean, a lot of things to like about Bernie, but there is plenty to hate about him too. I get Bernie Bros hating this outcome, and there is a lot of be disappointed about, but Bernie, and definitely more specifically his supporters definitely to me are classic have it right in the big picture, but absolutely zero realistic path to make it happen. It's definitely clear there are major issues, pandemic aside, with the US, and this pandemic is only massively exposing them.

However, he has hardly any key allies save like AOC and Omar in the house, and maybe Liz Warren in the Senate. But both he and his supporters are so voracious in their attacks of anyone who doesn't toe w/e line they have in their heads it pretty easy to go from wanting to support the guy to being swallowed up by the twitter and facebook crazies. Hell while Warren could go to bat for him she could just as easily take how she was treated by Bernie Bros and just not do anything, hell even AOC gets blasted by some of the zealots as a sell out occasionally. It's a classic inability to truly grow his base, and even if he somehow, somehow won the democratic primary, I would have serious reservations of him winning any key state he'd need to win (Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania) either better than Biden could, or definitely vs trump.

And even if he somehow won the presidency, a giant if, and even more giant if is how the hell would he actually get anything that he wanted done. Passing the ACA was practically political suicide in 2010, it would be even more so to try and do M4A, and hence much more reluctance from democrats this time around, let alone anything to do with college, or social programs he wants done, and I can just see the headlines for 4 years as virtually nothing gets done unless he makes concessions of "Socialist President can't achieve anything" and he'd probably be slaughtered in 2024.

Biden won because he had all the key support, was seen as a less extreme version of the 3 options on the table, and as you saw in Michigan it clearly seems especially in the democratic side Bernie made hardly any gains (actually made some losses) and it really shows just how hated Hillary was. You might not like Biden, but he doesn't elicit that vitriolic response.

The only thing that gets me about Bernie Bros is how quick so many don't want to vote for Biden, I both appreciate and respect that gumption to stick to certain principals, and think Biden doesn't have all that you want, but I never can understand how you would rather vote for some 3rd party candidate who is definitely not going to win, or not vote at all, all because you might only get a few things from one candidate, vs getting absolutely nothing from the other candidate, and then bitching about it for 4 years of just how terrible it is to get nothing. Would you rather have Trump appointing RBG's vacancy? What about having him in charge of IDK, a crisis like this? Even if Biden is starting to wane a bit mentally would you rather his cabinet helping him manage this vs Mnuchin, Ivanka, Jared? Are you tired of seeing the president of the goddamn US fight like a 5 year old with reporters cause they are asking him big mean questions?

I get the policy bits, I understand "you know what's better for this country so vote for Bernie goddamn it," but how can you be so ideologically pure that anything less comes along and it's not just not good enough, but it's practically seen as abhorrent

Being President is an important job no doubt, but it doesn't mean you live with that person, or you have to defend everything that person does, but then again you get in that mode I guess. Oh well.

Unlike @michigancat, I appreciated this post. Very pragmatic analysis.

I agreed with most of it too, and I am one who would have for sure been psyched with a President Bernie.

[michigancat]

I personally don't think it's useful for centrists  to teach Bernie supporters a lesson on why he lost, I mean the vast majority who voted for Bernie get it and will vote for Biden. Also most of the points in that post sound like they came from 2016 and ignore the fact that Bernie wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and it was gladly accepted.

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie. How can he appeal to Bernie's massive donor base? How can he attract Latinos and younger voters? Can he build a similar grounds organization? (You can debate how effective it was too). If we believe in M4A is a North Star, how does Joe present a plan to get there?

Things like that

[Spracne]

I personally don't think it's useful for centrists  to teach Bernie supporters a lesson on why he lost, I mean the vast majority who voted for Bernie get it and will vote for Biden. Also most of the points in that post sound like they came from 2016 and ignore the fact that Bernie wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and it was gladly accepted.

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie. How can he appeal to Bernie's massive donor base? How can he attract Latinos and younger voters? Can he build a similar grounds organization? (You can debate how effective it was too). If we believe in M4A is a North Star, how does Joe present a plan to get there?

Things like that

Do you think Joe is suddenly going to become someone he's not?

[michigancat]

I don't think those words mean anything

[sonofdaxjones]

Man, what a target rich opportunity a QuidProJoe and a Soccer Grandma administration would be.   I think I'm gonna have a beer . . .  no, no Soccer Grandma, we're all gonna have a bunch of beers. 

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1250836674000584704?s=20

President Xi and the Chinese Communist Party rate this match up:  9.5/10

[sys]

in retrospect the most impressive aspect of the buttigieg campaign is how they managed to hide his forehead hair situation until after the election.

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1250767056594665478

[chum1]

After Biden wins, what super high profile role will he give to Hillary in otder to own the pubs?

[MakeItRain]

I personally don't think it's useful for centrists  to teach Bernie supporters a lesson on why he lost, I mean the vast majority who voted for Bernie get it and will vote for Biden. Also most of the points in that post sound like they came from 2016 and ignore the fact that Bernie wholeheartedly endorsed Biden and it was gladly accepted.

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie. How can he appeal to Bernie's massive donor base? How can he attract Latinos and younger voters? Can he build a similar grounds organization? (You can debate how effective it was too). If we believe in M4A is a North Star, how does Joe present a plan to get there?

Things like that

 

[steve dave]

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie.

Mitt should have reached out to see what he could learn from the alt-right incels

[MakeItRain]

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie.

Mitt should have reached out to see what he could learn from the alt-right incels

You're better than that.

[steve dave]

It might be more useful to think about what Biden can learn from Bernie.

Mitt should have reached out to see what he could learn from the alt-right incels

You're better than that.

THIS IS MY BEST MATERIAL 

[sonofdaxjones]

I think this would be fantastic, but the only rule has to be that QuidProJoe has to pick his running mate and they need to be front and center at these things so we'll know what the person who will be president in very short order after the elections thinks and believes.   Joe can barely function.

https://twitter.com/kjdrennen/status/1250424704294219779?s=20


Between a shadow government and the hilarious implications of "fixed" SBA Loans, Useful Idiot Nation has brought another set of options on to their giant pile of hilarious but still mumped up conspiracies.

[turnbull]

 

[steve dave]

lmao

https://twitter.com/jacobisanadult/status/1251186321881739264

[chum1]

Beto eats like a pig.

[mocat]

Beto eats like a pig.

yeah but he's more like a babe than a gordy

[sonofdaxjones]

QuidProJOe.....love that since you know nothing of it is true.

1. He acted in official US Government capacity in US Policy interests.
2. It was supported Bipartisanly (even Ron Johnson the Republican from Wisconsin signed the damn letter)
3. It was supported and encouraged by the European Union and International Monetary Fund to remove the prosecutor who was not you know....prosecuting corruption...
4. Burisma's investigation was already over (Fact)....so i mean i guess that could have mean Joe was trying to get the prosecutor removed for not prosecuting Burisma? (Opinion)

But facts are a stubborn thing.

The obfuscation of what was clearly a shake down are quite 

The EU and IMF "support" of the removal was based on perception of the prosecutor and those perceptions (for lack of a better word) were dubious at best.   There's two sides to every story and supporters of Quid Pro Joe only hear one side.