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michigancat · « **Reply #1800 on:** April 25, 2019, 11:42:07 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on April 25, 2019, 10:15:51 PM

https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1121590229792485376

that's a great tweet by Yang

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1801 on:** April 26, 2019, 01:41:43 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on April 25, 2019, 10:05:23 AM

Quote from: sys on April 25, 2019, 09:43:53 AM
the biden argument in one kickass graph. also, it seems like seth moulton officially entered the race and i didn't notice till now. so we're at 20 candidates.

https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1121077175019556870

538 had a similar chart, and the tweets made me think of what's going on with the moderate republicans ITT

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/1121410113577811969

https://twitter.com/RyanDEnos/status/1121420170944110596

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1121427910815039488

All of that is far too much analysis of numbers that have no consequence at this point. All of these people are 100% aware of what the history of candidates who are "leading" nine months before the first caucus.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1802 on:** April 26, 2019, 01:46:50 AM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2019, 10:29:14 AM

I think that Warren is the least likely of the candidates to beat Trump. A lot of people just don't like her.

That's patently untrue, 95% of the electorate don't know her. The people who don't like her, especially compared to the rough ridin' cheeto, wouldn't vote for any Democrat. There isn't a liberal in this country who doesn't like her. The Warren takes itt have been lazy as eff.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1803 on:** April 26, 2019, 01:56:01 AM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2019, 04:47:15 PM

Liz would be 71 upon taking office. Why would anyone vote for someone that old to be president of the United States?

I think you have an unbalanced amount of animus towards Warren, we should figure out why you're so put off by this woman. She's one of several liberals, she isn't the youngest or oldest, she's polling 5th at best. What's your deal?

IPA4Me · « **Reply #1804 on:** April 26, 2019, 07:54:29 AM »

Not a good look if you're courting the worker / union vote.

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1121542813743767553

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1805 on:** April 26, 2019, 08:13:28 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 26, 2019, 01:56:01 AM

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2019, 04:47:15 PM
Liz would be 71 upon taking office. Why would anyone vote for someone that old to be president of the United States?

I think you have an unbalanced amount of animus towards Warren, we should figure out why you're so put off by this woman. She's one of several liberals, she isn't the youngest or oldest, she's polling 5th at best. What's your deal?

I like Warren. I just don't like the idea of voting for someone over age 70 to a 4 year term. And lots of people really don't like her, whether it's for the native American claims (I love this about her, personally), her policy positions being too far left, or whatever. Lots of people didn't like Hillary, and now we have President Donald Trump.

steve dave · « **Reply #1806 on:** April 26, 2019, 08:28:29 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 02:00:21 PM

it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

I'm getting with the times. I'm a changed man baby.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/04/25/joe-biden-provides-a-fossil-record-of-how-the-democrats-have-changed

sys · « **Reply #1807 on:** April 26, 2019, 11:15:23 AM »

i'm not sure these data are great arguments for sanders and klobuchar's electability, but i do think they're pretty good evidence that warren has electability concerns.

i'm kinda halfway either way on harris/booker.

https://twitter.com/beardedcrank/status/1121427976078483456

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #1808 on:** April 26, 2019, 11:19:19 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 08:28:29 AM

Quote from: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 02:00:21 PM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

I'm getting with the times. I'm a changed man baby.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/04/25/joe-biden-provides-a-fossil-record-of-how-the-democrats-have-changed

Meanwhile, the suspicion that his candidacy is an anachronism makes it an extreme test-case for the Democrats’ biggest dilemma: how to reconcile the ideological purity demanded by an activist wing increasingly dedicated to racial, gender and sexual equality, with the real world of muddy compromises and more mixed social attitudes.

No way in hell Joe "Ray-Bans" Biden is LibDerp Whack-a-Doo enough for the new LibDerp Nation. Unless it turns as I expect, that most of LibDerp Whack-A-Doo nation is what they are because Hillary lost, and as soon as anyone with (D) next to their name is in office, they'll fall back in line like the good little Brownshirts that they are . . . fully down with Washington business as usual: As long as a Democrat is President.

steve dave · « **Reply #1809 on:** April 26, 2019, 11:34:45 AM »

Or they are in general more moderate than the news cycle suggests

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LickNeckey · « **Reply #1810 on:** April 26, 2019, 12:07:12 PM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on April 26, 2019, 11:19:19 AM

Quote from: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 08:28:29 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 03, 2019, 02:00:21 PM
it used to be cool and chill to physically grip broads by the shoulders and nuzzle their heads and necks. that's changing folks. and I'm changing with it!

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1113515882960052224

I'm getting with the times. I'm a changed man baby.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/04/25/joe-biden-provides-a-fossil-record-of-how-the-democrats-have-changed

Meanwhile, the suspicion that his candidacy is an anachronism makes it an extreme test-case for the Democrats’ biggest dilemma: how to reconcile the ideological purity demanded by an activist wing increasingly dedicated to racial, gender and sexual equality, with the real world of muddy compromises and more mixed social attitudes.

No way in hell Joe "Ray-Bans" Biden is LibDerp Whack-a-Doo enough for the new LibDerp Nation. Unless it turns as I expect, that most of LibDerp Whack-A-Doo nation is what they are because Hillary lost, and as soon as anyone with (D) next to their name is in office, they'll fall back in line like the good little Brownshirts that they are . . . fully down with Washington business as usual: As long as a Democrat is President.

sys · « **Reply #1811 on:** April 26, 2019, 01:42:38 PM »

good fundraising numbers for biden. higher % of the money from large donors than for beto and sanders 1st day numbers, but that was expected. 97k is still an impressive number of donors for an establishment campaign without access to a fresh list.

https://twitter.com/CNNValentine/status/1121842704084811778

steve dave · « **Reply #1812 on:** April 26, 2019, 01:57:01 PM »

“And folks” lmao. Peak Biden.

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sys · « **Reply #1813 on:** April 26, 2019, 02:03:42 PM »

https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1121850778036129792

michigancat · « **Reply #1814 on:** April 26, 2019, 02:24:06 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 26, 2019, 02:03:42 PM

https://twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1121850778036129792

Damn Biden seems to be getting quite an Obama boost. Also looks like his shoulder rubs won't matter much

chum1 · « **Reply #1815 on:** April 26, 2019, 02:26:54 PM »

Nevermind about waiting in line all day.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121855715780354048

chum1 · « **Reply #1816 on:** April 26, 2019, 02:28:07 PM »

Like, just show up two minutes beforehand. Or fashionably late.

https://twitter.com/EmmaKinery/status/1121855507889827840

sys · « **Reply #1817 on:** April 26, 2019, 02:35:06 PM »

his advance team mumped that up, big time. i also think they're overdoing it with university events - his polls don't suggest his support skews young. but they've yet to ask me for advice.

steve dave · « **Reply #1818 on:** April 26, 2019, 03:14:34 PM »

lmao, we heckled the crap out of them for being a commuter school at Vegas pak

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steve dave · « **Reply #1819 on:** April 26, 2019, 03:15:48 PM »

Yeah, nobody that age GAF about Beto. He should concentrate on his mini van driving orange theory going base.

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Trim · « **Reply #1820 on:** April 26, 2019, 03:46:37 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 03:14:34 PM

lmao, we heckled the crap out of them for being a commuter school at Vegas pak

Quote from: steve dave on April 26, 2019, 03:15:48 PM

Yeah, nobody that age GAF about Beto. He should concentrate on his mini van driving orange theory going base.

And Baylor hoops fans.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #1821 on:** April 26, 2019, 05:58:44 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 26, 2019, 01:42:38 PM

good fundraising numbers for biden. higher % of the money from large donors than for beto and sanders 1st day numbers, but that was expected. 97k is still an impressive number of donors for an establishment campaign without access to a fresh list.

https://twitter.com/CNNValentine/status/1121842704084811778

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-2016-fundraising-11-million-in-16-days-119908

sys · « **Reply #1822 on:** April 26, 2019, 06:01:08 PM »

clinton also raised a lot of money from large donors. she won, iirc.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #1823 on:** April 26, 2019, 06:08:30 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 26, 2019, 06:01:08 PM

clinton also raised a lot of money from large donors. she won, iirc.

I don't know that Biden won't win. He certainly could just go ahead and lead the thing the whole way and win it. But there are more similarities to the Republican field of '16 and Biden than Clinton vs. what was supposed to be a completely token opposition and almost being disliked enough to lose to Bernie and then getting her ass kicked by Trump.

sys · « **Reply #1824 on:** April 26, 2019, 06:19:49 PM »

there are some pretty important differences between biden and jeb too. biden is much more popular with dems than jeb was with pubs in 2015. and by 2015 gwb was pretty unpopular w pubs, while obama is still v popular w. dems. tea party/house freedom caucus voters were a bigger share of 'pubs than dsa/justice dems are of dems, etc.

oth, jeb wasn't a super old man. if biden loses (and i think his chances of winning are well under 50%), i think it will be because voters decide he's too old, not because they reject him politically.