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sys · « **Reply #1375 on:** April 08, 2019, 03:41:20 PM »

release your fundraising numbers, warren.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115347005423980544

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1376 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:22:21 PM »

Good for my homie Klo, that's more than I thought she would have had.

8manpick · « **Reply #1377 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:28:18 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:29:33 PM

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936

This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1378 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:46:59 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 04:28:18 PM

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:29:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

You're a moderate right? I'm not at all but I also like this about Pete.

8manpick · « **Reply #1379 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:50:37 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 04:46:59 PM

Quote from: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:29:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

You're a moderate right? I'm not at all but I also like this about Pete.

Mostly. Or maybe an extremist with some views on both sides, but that makes me a moderate democrat on the 2-D Trump-Dem ideological line.

Woogy · « **Reply #1380 on:** April 08, 2019, 05:07:38 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 04:46:59 PM

Quote from: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 01:29:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115242341164388352
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1115246014208679936
This is the best argument I’ve seen for Pete

You're a moderate right? I'm not at all but I also like this about Pete.

Along these lines - this came out last week. Thought it was an interesting take.

Things Stacey Abrams and Pete Buttigieg get that most other pols don’t

Institutional Control · « **Reply #1381 on:** April 08, 2019, 06:44:48 PM »

I’d take a Pete/Stacey or Stacey/Pete ticket.

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sys · « **Reply #1382 on:** April 08, 2019, 07:39:12 PM »

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1115401366929924096

sys · « **Reply #1383 on:** April 08, 2019, 07:45:02 PM »

biden 28%, sanders 20%, everyone else in single digits.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/437871-new-poll-biden-still-leads-democratic-presidential-pack-despite

sys · « **Reply #1384 on:** April 08, 2019, 07:50:54 PM »

same poll in handy tweet form (but you miss out on the user friendly subtabs, although the sample isn't really big enough for subtabs).

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1115413421770588161

sys · « **Reply #1385 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:25:57 PM »

weekly morning consult (probably the best national poll) is out.

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1115436345202282496

Spracne · « **Reply #1386 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:28:06 PM »

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1387 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:32:10 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 08, 2019, 07:50:54 PM

same poll in handy tweet form (but you miss out on the user friendly subtabs, although the sample isn't really big enough for subtabs).

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1115413421770588161

https://twitter.com/TxTrialAttorney/status/1115415706491936769

I've said this before but didn't look up the numbers to back it up. Polls this time in the cycle, historically, have been a horrific indicator of who the nominee will be. The last three elected Democrats have trailed by a lot at this point.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1388 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:34:08 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on April 08, 2019, 09:28:06 PM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.

Name recognition. He's the least liberal relevant candidate and he's going to get rocked if he enters and then becomes subject to scrutiny.

sys · « **Reply #1389 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:37:21 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 09:32:10 PM

I've said this before but didn't look up the numbers to back it up. Polls this time in the cycle, historically, have been a horrific indicator of who the nominee will be. The last three elected Democrats have trailed by a lot at this point.

yeah, i thing the odds have better than 50% that the nominee won't be biden or sanders.

michigancat · « **Reply #1390 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:41:05 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 08, 2019, 07:39:12 PM

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1115401366929924096

https://twitter.com/eastbaycitizen/status/1115423101087412224?s=19

sys · « **Reply #1391 on:** April 08, 2019, 09:48:21 PM »

is swalwell your rep, michigan?

8manpick · « **Reply #1392 on:** April 08, 2019, 10:02:40 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on April 08, 2019, 09:28:06 PM

Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.

Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

michigancat · « **Reply #1393 on:** April 08, 2019, 10:17:42 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 08, 2019, 09:48:21 PM

is swalwell your rep, michigan?

No, Barbara Lee is mine

sys · « **Reply #1394 on:** April 08, 2019, 10:47:26 PM »

this, plus the next few posts, is among the stupidest things i've ever seen a smart person say.

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1115375794803695616

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1395 on:** April 08, 2019, 11:34:37 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 10:02:40 PM

Quote from: Spracne on April 08, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

Well I think you're right but the centrists you are talking about are who the parties are voting for. A lot of those moderate democrats, particularly between Pennsylvania and the Rockies, voted for the Republican because the Democrat was not likeable or relatable. I also think that the current administration has pushed the party left. I don't think fighting the current administration with centrism will energize the base. It's also going to be tough to raise money as a centrist running against a field of liberals. That being said, I don't see the union's endorsing the Bernie wing of candidates. Whomever gets the AFL-CIO to love them as much as they love Joe will have a strong leg up.

steve dave · « **Reply #1396 on:** April 09, 2019, 07:31:57 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on April 08, 2019, 11:34:37 PM

Quote from: 8manpick on April 08, 2019, 10:02:40 PM

Quote from: Spracne on April 08, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Is the Biden appeal like 95% Obama-related? I don't see at all how he fits into the vision for the modern Democratic Party.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think the bulk of the Democratic Party voters are nearly as far left as some of the more vocal members and the (social) media representation.

Well I think you're right but the centrists you are talking about are who the parties are voting for. A lot of those moderate democrats, particularly between Pennsylvania and the Rockies, voted for the Republican because the Democrat was not likeable or relatable. I also think that the current administration has pushed the party left. I don't think fighting the current administration with centrism will energize the base. It's also going to be tough to raise money as a centrist running against a field of liberals. That being said, I don't see the union's endorsing the Bernie wing of candidates. Whomever gets the AFL-CIO to love them as much as they love Joe will have a strong leg up.

I think voting against trump will energize the base no matter who the candidate is. Getting those tweener votes is more important imo.

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star seed 7 · « **Reply #1397 on:** April 09, 2019, 07:42:36 AM »

Yeah, most years I wouldn't even bother with the democrat candidate, but I'll be voting against someone for the first time so they can nominate W and I'd vote for him.

I really hate voting against people but it's what the situation calls for.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #1398 on:** April 09, 2019, 07:47:58 AM »

Of course my vote doesn't matter at all because for some reason the only national office that's voted on values winning arbitrary geographic areas instead of the country as a whole.

Oh well.

Institutional Control · « **Reply #1399 on:** April 09, 2019, 07:50:39 AM »

Your state is purple now. Democrat Governor.