2020 presidential candidate 'crats

[sys]

it has everything to do with the point.  sanders is not losing because anyone colluded against him.  he's not losing because some shadowy establishment denied him access to the golden ring.  he's losing because the ordinary, everyday masses of democratic voters did not want him to be the nominee.

if progressives can't honestly diagnose their problem, it impairs their ability to improve in future elections.

[chum1]

Bernie is still in the race primarily due to his massive ego. If there'e another reason, it's a DISTANT second.

[star seed 7]

it has everything to do with the point.  sanders is not losing because anyone colluded against him.  he's not losing because some shadowy establishment denied him access to the golden ring.  he's losing because the ordinary, everyday masses of democratic voters did not want him to be the nominee.

if progressives can't honestly diagnose their problem, it impairs their ability to improve in future elections.

I tried to make this point too and just got called stupid and immature or something

[chum1]

If you think Sanders should stay in the race at this point, you might think that democracy is stupid and immature or something.

[MakeItRain]

it has everything to do with the point.  sanders is not losing because anyone colluded against him.  he's not losing because some shadowy establishment denied him access to the golden ring.  he's losing because the ordinary, everyday masses of democratic voters did not want him to be the nominee.

if progressives can't honestly diagnose their problem, it impairs their ability to improve in future elections.

So it seems we're just talking past each other and having different conversations. I'm talking about the progressive agenda as it relates to the democratic party. Yes, the voters rejected Sanders, this is true and never has been argued against. What's also true is that the DNC and moderate democrats have done everything possible to put their finger on the scale because they think that Bernie isn't electable, it's happened twice. What's also true is that exit polls have consistently indicated that democratic voters favor an agenda which aligns with progressive views.

All three of these things are true, the fact that you refuse to acknowledge two of these three truths doesn't make them less so.

[MakeItRain]

If you think Sanders should stay in the race at this point, you might think that democracy is stupid and immature or something.

You're doing this on purpose at this point, I should stop responding. Wanting the voters to actually have a choice of candidates is a rejection of democracy? Did I miss anyone here advocating for the already completed primaries to be redone? I'll just assume that I completely missed the point, because this on its face is laughable.

[Trim]

so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

What?

Edit: Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
 
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.”
It’s hard to find any articles on it that aren’t from questionable publications. Katie Halper did the interview with her.

Here’s a video from The Rising (which I like).

[youtube] https://youtu.be/P4A0SM3wOSw[/youtube]

Here is the full interview
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

Wohl does these better.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

How does it rank with his "little girl sniffing perversion"?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY[/youtube]

 

[Katpappy]

so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

How does it rank with his "little girl sniffing perversion"?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H5NJZMDumY[/youtube]

 

That's one horny old man!!!  Wonder where he keep's his child porn.

[MakeItRain]

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

[nicname]

so is the thing about Biden allegedly finger raping some lady nbd?

What?

Edit: Reade said that Biden also told her something after the alleged assault that she initially didn’t want to share because “it’s the thing that stays in my head over and over.” But after some pressing from Halper, Reade decided to share:
 
“He took his finger. He just like pointed at me and said you’re nothing to me.”
It’s hard to find any articles on it that aren’t from questionable publications. Katie Halper did the interview with her.

Here’s a video from The Rising (which I like).

[youtube] https://youtu.be/P4A0SM3wOSw[/youtube]

Here is the full interview
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story

Wohl does these better.

I don’t know who that is.

Edit: nvm, I do. Well, I know there is a gE thread about him.

[nicname]

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

That’s the longest article I’ve ever seen from Vox!

So she’s either a Russian toady (convenient), just a liar with some kind of axe to grind, or telling the truth.

[MakeItRain]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360
It's amazing how many of the replies to the tweet are idiots blaming Sanders for this instead of acknowledging Biden's shortcomings as a candidate.

There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.

[MakeItRain]

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This is one of many reasons that Biden's enthusiasm is slim, even the most ardent Biden supporters are simply wanting to beat Trump while ignoring the fact that a Biden win represents largely keeping things like this, status quo.

https://twitter.com/lldiedrich/status/1244265172560199682

[catastrophe]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360
It's amazing how many of the replies to the tweet are idiots blaming Sanders for this instead of acknowledging Biden's shortcomings as a candidate.

There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.

But can you explain what shortcomings Biden has that Trump doesn’t? Particularly that would appeal to Democrats and Democrat leaning independents?

[MakeItRain]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1244142484114063360
It's amazing how many of the replies to the tweet are idiots blaming Sanders for this instead of acknowledging Biden's shortcomings as a candidate.

There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.

But can you explain what shortcomings Biden has that Trump doesn’t? Particularly that would appeal to Democrats and Democrat leaning independents?

First, Biden's lack of enthusiasm has nothing to do with Trump. Secondly, of those 15% that you're asking about, I'd imagine roughly that's the percentage of voters that are available in every election. I'd also imagine they have varying reasons, chiefly among these is that Biden, unapologetically, represents the status quo in American politics. His embrace of being a "Obama/Biden Democrat" is a mistake, even Obama ran on hope and change instead of 8 more years of Bill Clinton, which is exactly what we got. The Obama presidency didn't accomplish enough for people to feel nostalgic about it, about Obama himself sure, but policy advancements during his presidency, no. This also explains the lack of enthusiasm. Run a vanilla campaign expect vanilla results.

[catastrophe]

I’m still struggling to understand the explanation. The tweet was about Dems blaming Sanders for failing to get some 15% of his supporters to support Biden over Trump. It seems like that shouldn’t be difficult to do. So I can see some criticism there even if Biden is a weak candidate.

I’m not shocked there are some people who just hate the establishment, but I am a bit surprised it’s that large a number of Sanders’s supporters to vote for an incumbent with a terrible track record.

[MakeItRain]

That's not what it was about, read the article, catastrophe. At the very least just look at the graphs.

To your point, even if 15% of Sanders supporters don't support Biden, that doesn't seem outside of what would be considered normal anyway. The teeth gnashing comes from the fact that dems feel like everyone that doesn't favor trump should favor Biden and that isn't reality in any primary to general transition, no matter how awful trump may be to some.

[catastrophe]

When I said tweet I meant the comments you were referencing, which I understood to be the point of your post.

[Kat Kid]

That's not what it was about, read the article, catastrophe. At the very least just look at the graphs.

To your point, even if 15% of Sanders supporters don't support Biden, that doesn't seem outside of what would be considered normal anyway. The teeth gnashing comes from the fact that dems feel like everyone that doesn't favor trump should favor Biden and that isn't reality in any primary to general transition, no matter how awful trump may be to some.

Since when is attracting swing voters a bad thing?

[MakeItRain]

That's not what it was about, read the article, catastrophe. At the very least just look at the graphs.

To your point, even if 15% of Sanders supporters don't support Biden, that doesn't seem outside of what would be considered normal anyway. The teeth gnashing comes from the fact that dems feel like everyone that doesn't favor trump should favor Biden and that isn't reality in any primary to general transition, no matter how awful trump may be to some.

Since when is attracting swing voters a bad thing?

Apparently only moderates are allowed to attract them.

[steve dave]

Allowed = able



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[chum1]

https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1244812380619579393

[catastrophe]

Yeah I don’t think the two are really related. A stupid response to tweet anyway.

[Kat Kid]

https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/1244812380619579393

That is one of the dumbest tweets I’ve ever seen.