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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #7000 on: March 24, 2020, 05:48:26 PM »
I don’t pretend to know what the best strategy is for advancing Bernie’s agenda at this point in the midst of a pandemic, but I think having an audience with the American people is probably the best strategy. I don’t think Bernie is going to be very aggressive against Joe but will just reiterate his talking points.

I also hate to bring this up because I am not a “Biden is dead” conspiracy theorist, but I also think that there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #7001 on: March 24, 2020, 05:56:14 PM »
Why does that bother you?

Because it makes me think he doesn't understand it's over, which is an offensive level of stupidity.

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« Reply #7002 on: March 24, 2020, 05:58:30 PM »
Why does that bother you?

Because it makes me think he doesn't understand it's over, which is an offensive level of stupidity.

There is a lot of evidence he doesn’t think he will win.
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« Reply #7003 on: March 24, 2020, 05:59:00 PM »
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

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« Reply #7004 on: March 24, 2020, 06:09:29 PM »
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?
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« Reply #7005 on: March 24, 2020, 06:19:50 PM »
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?

I thought the idea was, "I'm going to go ahead and stay in just case Biden's health takes a turn for the worse."

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« Reply #7006 on: March 24, 2020, 06:21:37 PM »
Why does that bother you?

Because it makes me think he doesn't understand it's over, which is an offensive level of stupidity.

Let me start with a blunt assessment, your reason is really rough ridin' dumb, and isn't actually a reason, I'm 100% sure you know it too. A reason is something that can be presented to Sanders that would make him actually think about quitting. "You're behind in delegates in a two person race," is just as stupid as "You're in 5th place in delegates awarded after three states, and no other candidate has been able to over come that."

Is this the first presidential primary you have followed? There hasn't been a non-incumbent primary in our lifetime in which all of the nominees have cleared the field at this point in the race, especially for a candidate that has only spent three weeks leading. Bernie dropping out now literally serves no one well at all, especially not Joe Biden.

You are letting Trump erode away the logic and common sense parts of your brain.

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« Reply #7007 on: March 24, 2020, 06:26:03 PM »
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?

I thought the idea was, "I'm going to go ahead and stay in just case Biden's health takes a turn for the worse."

"I'm going to stay in the race because Joe Biden hasn't proved that he has the mental fitness needed to win this race in November."

I don't think that anyone thinks Biden's physical health condition is worse than Sanders.' Just as no one thinks that Biden's mental acuity is anything close to where Sanders' is.

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« Reply #7008 on: March 24, 2020, 06:29:08 PM »
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.

What?

I thought the idea was, "I'm going to go ahead and stay in just case Biden's health takes a turn for the worse."

He doesn’t have to wait for Biden’s brain to break that already happened, he’s just in the race in case people decide that is a problem.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #7009 on: March 24, 2020, 06:38:14 PM »
I'm being facetious about the reason, but not about Bernie's chances.

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« Reply #7010 on: March 24, 2020, 06:43:02 PM »
I'm being facetious about the reason, but not about Bernie's chances.

I am not arguing with you on that.
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« Reply #7011 on: March 24, 2020, 06:45:29 PM »
You won't get any argument about his chances, from anyone other than a select dummies on twitter. He still shouldn't quit though, and everyone outside of the most ardent Biden supporters should feel that way too. The guy spent a week during the biggest crisis in a generation, dead quiet. He needs a reason to not just slink away until August.

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« Reply #7012 on: March 24, 2020, 06:48:01 PM »
a)  dem voters are obviously fine with biden's brain health as is,  b)  if biden's brain or his lungs were to suddenly go south before he is formally nominated, someone other than sanders would be the nominee (he would get an outsized voice as to who the nominee would be).
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« Reply #7013 on: March 24, 2020, 06:49:53 PM »
You won't get any argument about his chances, from anyone other than a select dummies on twitter. He still shouldn't quit though, and everyone outside of the most ardent Biden supporters should feel that way too. The guy spent a week during the biggest crisis in a generation, dead quiet. He needs a reason to not just slink away until August.

he should quit.  there's nothing he can accomplish by staying in and frankly no one gives a crap about the primary anymore.
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« Reply #7014 on: March 24, 2020, 06:52:33 PM »
there is  such obvious evidence of mental decay in Biden that Bernie staying in the race is a decent hedge.

And this would be offensively opportunistic.
Yeah I don’t think it’s offensive, but agree with sys that he doesn’t have a shot regardless of what happens to Biden.

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« Reply #7015 on: March 24, 2020, 07:11:42 PM »
the only people that seem pissed at Bernie being in are people that already hated Bernie and they don’t seem to have any good reason for him to get out and one really obvious reason they don’t want him in the race so I’m convinced Bernie should definitely stay in.
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« Reply #7016 on: March 24, 2020, 07:15:32 PM »
the only people that seem pissed at Bernie being in are people that already hated Bernie and they don’t seem to have any good reason for him to get out and one really obvious reason they don’t want him in the race so I’m convinced Bernie should definitely stay in.

someone should really poll the question.
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« Reply #7017 on: March 24, 2020, 07:16:43 PM »
I've said a couple times that I think there's the potential for Bernie to start integrating progressives into the party more by dropping out and trying to rally around Biden, as much as it would suck now. But I think it's a good long-term play for progressive causes.

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« Reply #7018 on: March 24, 2020, 07:24:11 PM »
Agreed


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« Reply #7019 on: March 24, 2020, 07:27:29 PM »
this actually is a decent reason for sanders not to drop out.

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« Reply #7020 on: March 24, 2020, 07:55:39 PM »
the only people that seem pissed at Bernie being in are people that already hated Bernie and they don’t seem to have any good reason for him to get out and one really obvious reason they don’t want him in the race so I’m convinced Bernie should definitely stay in.

Seems that way

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« Reply #7021 on: March 24, 2020, 07:58:14 PM »
I've said a couple times that I think there's the potential for Bernie to start integrating progressives into the party more by dropping out and trying to rally around Biden, as much as it would suck now. But I think it's a good long-term play for progressive causes.

I think the best way to do this is to stay in and keep forcing him to move left. If Bernie turtles now there's no incentive for Biden to take a position on anything. He needs to be forced to express platforms as much as possible, I don't know how there's any accountability otherwise.

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« Reply #7022 on: March 24, 2020, 11:07:49 PM »
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?
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« Reply #7023 on: March 25, 2020, 02:26:25 AM »
why in the world would biden feel it necessary to move to the left merely because sanders refuses to suspend his campaign?

Who in the world suggested that? Moving left is the only way that Biden will attract Sanders supporters. Rusty suggested that the best way to do that is for Bernie to quit and the party to coalesce. That didn't happen four years ago and it sure won't happen now. The best way to get those supporters is for Bernie to stay in and drag Joe's ass left.

I do think that health care and our current situation leaves establishment a bit exposed.  Whether it would have made any difference or not with this crisis, progressives can and should shine a light on the failures of this current health care system.

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« Reply #7024 on: March 25, 2020, 03:13:23 AM »
yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.  if biden's team thinks they need to move to the left to pick up voters they'll do so regardless of what sanders does.  and if they think he needs to stay where he is or move to the right they'll be equally unconcerned with what sanders does.  they have no reason to care about the primary whatsoever anymore.
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