Anyway, this was a good board at one time, it really was. It was certainly a nice respite from Fitz and his bullshit. I'm sure it's still fun for the core group. I have a text group like that and we really enjoy each other during games...this seems like it's just a larger version of that. You don't need me or people like me, you'll always have the core group so i understand the PI'ing and the like. But not having captain crap, BSAC and some of the other "in the know" posters just kinda makes this a place to chat with each other. No real good discussions, no insider information, no dissenting opinions, just a place to hang out and bullshit when you want. That was the whole point of this thread...without _Fan (and the like) I'm not sure why i'm here. I joined Rivals this morning...haven't dove in just yet but I'm looking forward to seeing what it has to offer. The site looks nice and they do have some content there so there's that. Best of luck to everyone on this board! We're all cats even if we disagree.