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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #650 on: February 20, 2019, 02:15:47 PM »
The Bellcow is a good player.

People just need to get off his back, alright?

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #651 on: February 20, 2019, 02:15:54 PM »
_FAN I know you’ve run the numbers and are a stats guy, BUT have you done the eye test with Mak?

Yes, there are too many times he's passive, he brings the ball to his waste constantly, and at times it doesn't look like he hustles to get a board or loose ball that it looks like he could. However, I also know the numbers, especially rates when he's on the floor, can't/don't lie either. So he's a frustrating player to watch who is also much better (especially on the boards and defense) than he's given credit for.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #652 on: February 20, 2019, 02:17:45 PM »
I'd love to see some advanced stats on Koach Korn.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #653 on: February 20, 2019, 02:18:04 PM »
Where do the numbers say he ranks in the big 12 against his 9 peers at the center spot?
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #654 on: February 20, 2019, 02:18:44 PM »
_FAN I know you’ve run the numbers and are a stats guy, BUT have you done the eye test with Mak?

Yes, there are too many times he's passive, he brings the ball to his waste constantly, and at times it doesn't look like he hustles to get a board or loose ball that it looks like he could. However, I also know the numbers, especially rates when he's on the floor, can't/don't lie either. So he's a frustrating player to watch who is also much better (especially on the boards and defense) than he's given credit for.

Those are good points. I like when you come back around and do stats like that. I just have the eye test to go by and it wasn’t looking really good. It’s good to know even tho he looks like absolute dogshit he does contribute in a positive way.
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #655 on: February 20, 2019, 02:19:52 PM »
You don't have to believe the numbers, but Mak's per 100s for rebounding and blocked shots are actually really good. 7th best oboarder, 6th best dboarder, 10th in blocks. His biggest issue is he dropped from over 60% on 2s last year to the low 50s this year and his TO rate has increased. None of that is much of a surprise though because he's being used more on offense and shooting slightly more while playing more minutes. He isn't nearly as terrible as our fans make him out to be for sure.
He’s big, athletic and mostly coordinated.  Leads to high expectations.  I just think he’s a weak rebounder and soft in traffic with or around the ball. He must be fantastic at being in the right position though because his rebounding rate is high.
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #656 on: February 20, 2019, 02:21:52 PM »
#validated.  Thanks fan.  Thanks Brad Korn.


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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #657 on: February 20, 2019, 02:25:11 PM »
_FAN I know you’ve run the numbers and are a stats guy, BUT have you done the eye test with Mak?

Yes, there are too many times he's passive, he brings the ball to his waste constantly, and at times it doesn't look like he hustles to get a board or loose ball that it looks like he could. However, I also know the numbers, especially rates when he's on the floor, can't/don't lie either. So he's a frustrating player to watch who is also much better (especially on the boards and defense) than he's given credit for.

Agree with the bolded statement.

Seriously though, we are definitely better with him out there as opposed to any other five.  He is the only post we have that is capable of making a basket on an entry pass or scoring in our offense.  For as much crap as Mak gets for missing those dunks, Stockard fumbled the ball out of bounds multiple times prior to being able to get a dunk off.

I don't like to give Mak too much crap because he is the best option for the team.  Korn is looking like a problem.  He is failing miserably at developing or recruiting bigs.  Would be interested to hear his take on Korn's Korner this week

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #658 on: February 20, 2019, 02:37:45 PM »
Seriously though, we are definitely better with him out there as opposed to any other five.
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #659 on: February 20, 2019, 02:44:46 PM »
Seriously though, we are definitely better with him out there as opposed to any other five.
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #660 on: February 20, 2019, 09:50:37 PM »
Thought Mawein played one of his better games if you take out the missed dunks.
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Forget the double double for a second, when was the last time Mak played 33 minutes? WITH ONE FOUL!
Are you asking when was the last time Mak played 33 minutes?  Or the last time he played 33 minutes with one foul?

He played 35 minutes against Texas a little over a week ago.  :dunno:


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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #661 on: February 21, 2019, 09:33:00 AM »
I'll just leave this here...


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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #662 on: February 21, 2019, 09:37:38 AM »
I'd also argue that Kelly and Mawien had a similar two hand dunk technique.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #663 on: February 21, 2019, 09:45:51 AM »
Wasn't necessary, but good to see the numbers confirm that the real CK is a top 5 COAT.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #664 on: February 21, 2019, 10:21:52 AM »
damn, being validated by _Fan feels so great.


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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #665 on: February 21, 2019, 10:24:02 AM »
Important update to _FANs chart
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Re: Makol Mawein
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #667 on: February 21, 2019, 12:34:46 PM »
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #668 on: February 21, 2019, 12:36:17 PM »
I don't care what those dumb charts say.

Curt was 100 times the player that mak is.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #669 on: February 21, 2019, 12:40:24 PM »
I don't care what those dumb charts say.

Curt was 100 times the player that mak is.

To me it says Jr Curtis Kelly is demonstrably better than Jr Mak and Sr Curtis Kelly DNGAF and had a ton of regression.
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #670 on: February 21, 2019, 12:53:05 PM »
I don't care what those dumb charts say.

Curt was 100 times the player that mak is.

Good point. It's possible that many here not only underrate Mawien, but also overrate Kelly.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #671 on: February 21, 2019, 01:08:09 PM »
Really can't compare across eras. Basketball has changed too much. Adorablity and JYC-ness are forever though.
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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #672 on: February 21, 2019, 01:26:12 PM »
How many opponent foul shots has mawien blocked from the bench?

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #673 on: February 21, 2019, 01:45:36 PM »
I don't care what those dumb charts say.

Curt was 100 times the player that mak is.

Good point. It's possible that many here not only underrate Mawien, but also overrate Kelly.

Many here? Find me the person who would select Makol Mawien as their starting center over Curtis Kelly and I'll show you someone without eyes.

Making the conclusion that Mak is even in the same ballpark as CK based on advanced stats is exactly the thing that makes old heads freak out about dependence on stats. I don't even think Darryl Morey would make the conclusion that Mak is in the same league as CK.

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Re: Makol Mawein
« Reply #674 on: February 21, 2019, 02:00:37 PM »
I don't care what those dumb charts say.

Curt was 100 times the player that mak is.

To me it says Jr Curtis Kelly is demonstrably better than Jr Mak and Sr Curtis Kelly DNGAF and had a ton of regression.
the switch to Brad’s pinwheel offense reduced CK’s post ups and Oreb opportunities but his DF rate was always 100