2011 take a big or quit debate thread

[sys]

so here's yosh's very cogent point to get started.

Agreed.  Right now, if Judge leaves early, we'd be looking at going into the 12 class needing to fill basically the enitre frontcourt.

so, yeah, that's the huge risk, if judge leaves as a jr. you're looking at going into 2012 with all new bigs plus jh-r.  scary.


i'll take the other side of the debate, whether i believe it or not:  the 2011 class is poor in bigs, and kstate isn't mentioned with any that are any good.  they only have 2 left to give, and it'd be easy to fill those with fall 2011 guards.  williams and southwell have decent size to give some post minutes, if necessary.  the 2012 class probably has the best group of 3 bigs ks has ever produced (has ks ever had 3 high major bigs come out in the same year?).  nationwide, the 2012 class is deep with bigs too.  should be much easier to sell bigs in 2012 than 2011.  any 2011 big is going to come in knowing he has very little opportunity for minutes as a freshman.

[CNS]

so here's yosh's very cogent point to get started.

Agreed.  Right now, if Judge leaves early, we'd be looking at going into the 12 class needing to fill basically the enitre frontcourt.

so, yeah, that's the huge risk, if judge leaves as a jr. you're looking at going into 2012 with all new bigs plus jh-r.  scary.


i'll take the other side of the debate, whether i believe it or not:  the 2011 class is poor in bigs, and kstate isn't mentioned with any that are any good.  they only have 2 left to give, and it'd be easy to fill those with fall 2011 guards.  williams and southwell have decent size to give some post minutes, if necessary.  the 2012 class probably has the best group of 3 bigs ks has ever produced (has ks ever had 3 high major bigs come out in the same year?).  nationwide, the 2012 class is deep with bigs too.  should be much easier to sell bigs in 2012 than 2011.  any 2011 big is going to come in knowing he has very little opportunity for minutes as a freshman.

Staff counting too much on Willy Cauley(sp)?

Problem with waiting is: 1. obviously getting surprised if someone leaves early, and 2. bringing in new guys that will have to contribute right away and them sucking.

[michigancat]

I say get the best Juco big available in the fall.

[Dr Rick Daris]

 if judge leaves as a jr. you're looking at going into 2012 with all new bigs plus jh-r.  scary.

asprilla?

[michigancat]

 if judge leaves as a jr. you're looking at going into 2012 with all new bigs plus jh-r.  scary.

asprilla?

[sys]

I say get the best Juco big available in the fall.

that adds to the already giant 2013 class.  currently at 6, would put it at 7 with a juco.  a transfer might work better.


i'd love a class with williams, 2 good guards in the fall and a transfer big in the spring.

[sys]

asprilla?

asprilla-perea.  did you know there's an elite 2012 colombian big whose first last name is perea?

[michigancat]

I say get the best Juco big available in the fall.

that adds to the already giant 2013 class.  currently at 6, would put it at 7 with a juco.  a transfer might work better.


i'd love a class with williams, 2 good guards in the fall and a transfer big in the spring.

that would be good, too.

[CNS]

I say get the best Juco big available in the fall.

that adds to the already giant 2013 class.  currently at 6, would put it at 7 with a juco.  a transfer might work better.


i'd love a class with williams, 2 good guards in the fall and a transfer big in the spring.

2013 really needs to be GRCOAT II.

[KSUTOMMY]

so here's yosh's very cogent point to get started.

Agreed.  Right now, if Judge leaves early, we'd be looking at going into the 12 class needing to fill basically the enitre frontcourt.

so, yeah, that's the huge risk, if judge leaves as a jr. you're looking at going into 2012 with all new bigs plus jh-r.  scary.


i'll take the other side of the debate, whether i believe it or not:  the 2011 class is poor in bigs, and kstate isn't mentioned with any that are any good.  they only have 2 left to give, and it'd be easy to fill those with fall 2011 guards.  williams and southwell have decent size to give some post minutes, if necessary.  the 2012 class probably has the best group of 3 bigs ks has ever produced (has ks ever had 3 high major bigs come out in the same year?).  nationwide, the 2012 class is deep with bigs too.  should be much easier to sell bigs in 2012 than 2011.  any 2011 big is going to come in knowing he has very little opportunity for minutes as a freshman.

Joe Leonard? 

[yosh]

Too bad Sprilla burned his redshirt.  All appearances are that we are not taking a big this fall, but it seems foolish to me.  The really odd part is that the staff, historically, seems to prioritize elite bigs when recruiting while they will settle for second and third tier recruits for the backcourt.  

[catzacker]

i'll take the other side of the debate, whether i believe it or not:  the 2011 class is poor in bigs, and kstate isn't mentioned with any that are any good.  they only have 2 left to give, and it'd be easy to fill those with fall 2011 guards.  williams and southwell have decent size to give some post minutes, if necessary.  the 2012 class probably has the best group of 3 bigs ks has ever produced (has ks ever had 3 high major bigs come out in the same year?).  nationwide, the 2012 class is deep with bigs too.  should be much easier to sell bigs in 2012 than 2011.  any 2011 big is going to come in knowing he has very little opportunity for minutes as a freshman.

?
Cauley
Ellis
Wilson

Odds that we land even one of them?

[sys]

?
Cauley
Ellis
Wilson

Odds that we land even one of them?

mccullough too, if he grows.  i forgot him.
 

MoKan has at least 7 D1 players

 

[yosh]

Bump

11-12 roster as it looks now:
PG: Myles, Irving 
SG: Russell, Spradling 
SF: McGruder, Southwell, Williams, Lawrence  <<---3 sophs   
PF: Samuels, Judge
C: Aprilla, J-Hen

One scholly left for fall.

[pissclams]

Frank doesn't use a traditional PG-SG set-up, Yosh.  I wouldn't get too hung up on it.

[michigancat]

Frank doesn't use a traditional PG-SG set-up, Yosh.  I wouldn't get too hung up on it.

he read my "pure point" post on ksufans.  It's pretty much been his guidepost throughout his career.

[sys]

Bump

11-12 roster as it looks now:
PG: Myles, Irving 
SG: Russell, Spradling 
SF: McGruder, Southwell, Williams, Lawrence  <<---3 sophs   
PF: Samuels, Judge
C: Aprilla, J-Hen

One scholly left for fall.

gotta get a pg.  i don't care if you don't have a single big with experience in '12, you gotta get a pg that can play.

[wabashcannonball]

Bump

11-12 roster as it looks now:
PG: Myles, Irving 
SG: Russell, Spradling 
SF: McGruder, Southwell, Williams, Lawrence  <<---3 sophs   
PF: Samuels, Judge
C: Aprilla, J-Hen

One scholly left for fall.

gotta get a pg.  i don't care if you don't have a single big with experience in '12, you gotta get a pg that can play.

Juevol Myles can play 

 

[steve dave]

Gotta get either Seag or Boat at this point.  We have no shot at Quinn and Angel sounds like he may be garbage. 

[mcmwcat]

Gotta get either Seag or Boat at this point.  We have no shot at Quinn and Angel sounds like he may be garbage. 

seagers 

[pissclams]

Frank doesn't use a traditional PG-SG set-up, Yosh.  I wouldn't get too hung up on it.

he read my "pure point" post on ksufans.  It's pretty much been his guidepost throughout his career.

OMFG I think you're right. 

note to michigancat:  pls post more on how to recruit studs

note to frank: pls CONTINUE to read michi's posts

[JMart]

Two days ago, they weren't looking at bigs. Yesterday, the edict was a guard and a big.

Carry on...

[steve dave]

Two days ago, they weren't looking at bigs. Yesterday, the edict was a guard and a big.

Carry on...

 

[sys]

Two days ago, they weren't looking at bigs. Yesterday, the edict was a guard and a big.

Carry on...

does this mean they will oversign?  


but why a last second change?

[yosh]

Two days ago, they weren't looking at bigs. Yesterday, the edict was a guard and a big.

Carry on...

does this mean they will oversign?  


but why a last second change?

Most likely because I bumped this thread.  Indisputable proof that the staff reads this board.