Alabama, the "the south" of the south

[DQ12]

Especially in the US

I imagine poverty is correlated with shorter life expectancy wherever you are.

But especially in the US ...

Not really sure what you're basing that on, but it wouldn't surprise me. 

[Spracne]

Especially in the US

I imagine poverty is correlated with shorter life expectancy wherever you are.

But especially in the US ...

Not really sure what you're basing that on, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I'm basing that on our healthcare system vis-a-vis our peer countries.

[MakeItRain]

The South...now as resistant to insulin as they are to progress

I shouldn't have laughed but damnit this got me

[MakeItRain]

I don't disagree that the South has more prevalent health issues, but really?

The quadrangle has an average adult obesity rate of 35% to 37%.   Wichita, KCMO/KCKS, Omaha - Council Bluffs, Des Moines, St. Louis are rated as some of the most obese cities in these United States.

The heart of the KC Metro:  A southern life expectancy emulation

  my county is one of the bluest on that map, healthy, left leaning, and hot 

[OB_Won]

DFW metro drives that home. It is a southern state full of fat, bbq eating sumbitches. For those not in this area, the two dark blue/green counties in north central Texas are Denton and Collin, left to right. The two directly below are Tarrant and Dallas.
This area has seen tremendous growth and economic prosperity. Its demographics are 43% white, 30% Hispanic, 16% black, 8% Asian, 3% bi-racial/other. The median household income is 10% higher than the rest of the US.

[MakeItRain]

It's fun to crap on the south but really it's how the entire country treats minorities

Facts

[DQ12]

Especially in the US

I imagine poverty is correlated with shorter life expectancy wherever you are.

But especially in the US ...

Not really sure what you're basing that on, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I'm basing that on our healthcare system vis-a-vis our peer countries.

Fair.  I'm just saying it would be interesting to see other countries' geo breakdowns of LE vs. median income.

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't disagree that the South has more prevalent health issues, but really?

The quadrangle has an average adult obesity rate of 35% to 37%.   Wichita, KCMO/KCKS, Omaha - Council Bluffs, Des Moines, St. Louis are rated as some of the most obese cities in these United States.

The heart of the KC Metro:  A southern life expectancy emulation

  my county is one of the bluest on that map, healthy, left leaning, and hot 

The counties I lived in the Southeast were mid to dark blue, healthy, left leaning and hot, and at the beach in one instance, without Iowa State fans and snow.

Thanks for affirming your pinnacle first world problem living, tho 

[MakeItRain]

I don't disagree that the South has more prevalent health issues, but really?

The quadrangle has an average adult obesity rate of 35% to 37%.   Wichita, KCMO/KCKS, Omaha - Council Bluffs, Des Moines, St. Louis are rated as some of the most obese cities in these United States.

The heart of the KC Metro:  A southern life expectancy emulation

  my county is one of the bluest on that map, healthy, left leaning, and hot 

The counties I lived in the Southeast were mid to dark blue, healthy, left leaning and hot, and at the beach in one instance, without Iowa State fans and snow.

Thanks for affirming your pinnacle first world problem living, tho 

I've asked you this before but would you rather me live in the hood? You really seem to be offended that I don't live where you think I should. Ames schools has a minority population of 40%. Colored people have money too.

[star seed 7]

Why does dax keep choosing to live in generational dem strongholds? (his words)

[michigancat]

Especially in the US

I imagine poverty is correlated with shorter life expectancy wherever you are.

But especially in the US ...

Not really sure what you're basing that on, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I'm basing that on our healthcare system vis-a-vis our peer countries.

Fair.  I'm just saying it would be interesting to see other countries' geo breakdowns of LE vs. median income.

Here's one after a quick google search



https://www.aerzteblatt.de/int/archive/article/214726



Not nearly as criminal a difference, whether or not it's driven by poverty

[DQ12]

fwiw.

That article the original US longevity map was lifted from also includes this, which is pretty interesting:

More Money Means More Time Alive
Money has become an increasingly strong determinant of who will live longer. People in wealthy counties outlive their poorer counterparts by as much as 20 years now, the greatest gap that in ages that America has seen in 40 years. In South Dakota’s Oglala Lakota county, for example, the average life expectancy is 66.8, making it the worst county in America. The median income in Oglala Lakota is $30,347, which stands in stark contrast to Colorado’s Summit County where life expectancy is 86.9, making it the highest in the country. Median income in Summit is more than 2.5x higher than it is in Oglala Lakota.

When we dive deeper than the county level, we see this relationship between money and life expectancy come into even clearer focus. Raj Chetty at Harvard analyzed 1.4 billion individual tax records between 1999–2014 and matched those to death records. His findings were alarming:

First… the gap in life expectancy between the richest 1% and poorest 1% of individuals was 14.6 years for men and 10.1 years for women. Second, inequality in life expectancy increased over time. Between 2001 and 2014, life expectancy increased by 2.34 years for men and 2.91 years for women in the top 5% of the income distribution, but by only 0.32 years for men and 0.04 years for women in the bottom 5%.

Diving deeper into the bottom five worst counties for expectancy yields some interestiing results. Four of these five counties all have Native American populations higher than 80%. The remaining county, Union in Florida, is not majority Native American, but instead is home to the state’s largest prison population. On average, none of the 31,000 people in these five counties will live past the age of 70.

Whole article is interesting and worth reading:
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/zNqoD/9/

[MakeItRain]

@DQ12 your link isn't the article but the same usa life expectancy map

[DQ12]

@DQ12 your link isn't the article but the same usa life expectancy map

Whoops

https://americaninequality.substack.com/p/life-expectancy-and-inequality

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't disagree that the South has more prevalent health issues, but really?

The quadrangle has an average adult obesity rate of 35% to 37%.   Wichita, KCMO/KCKS, Omaha - Council Bluffs, Des Moines, St. Louis are rated as some of the most obese cities in these United States.

The heart of the KC Metro:  A southern life expectancy emulation

  my county is one of the bluest on that map, healthy, left leaning, and hot 

The counties I lived in the Southeast were mid to dark blue, healthy, left leaning and hot, and at the beach in one instance, without Iowa State fans and snow.

Thanks for affirming your pinnacle first world problem living, tho 

I've asked you this before but would you rather me live in the hood? You really seem to be offended that I don't live where you think I should. Ames schools has a minority population of 40%. Colored people have money too.

Oh yeah, my world view has always been one where there's no "colored" people with money, and that only white folks have first world problems.     If you step back and think about, this is actually why I get such a kick about your  because I know so many "colored" people (like you) are at the pinnacle of first world problems. 

LMAO on your Ames Community Schools diversity statement.  A very simple run through of statistics gives a very clear indication as to why Ames, MHK-Ogden, Lawrence Public, Iowa City Public schools etc. etc. have diverse public school enrollments that are not inline with the overall demographic population of the city itself.  In each instance the largest employers in those cities have a substantially diverse work force and a substantially diverse population of post graduate students of which a substantial population in that demographic have children.  They're all also relatively small school systems where the demographic numbers can be substantially impacted by a relatively small number of students.  It's also likely not much of a stretch to consider that graduate students with children substantially impact the economically disadvantaged enrollment in those school systems as well.. 

I don't care where you live, unless you're trying to foist something so utterly disingenuous like those numbers on us.

[MakeItRain]

lol, I'm not reading that, dax. My goodness.

[MakeItRain]

@DQ12 your link isn't the article but the same usa life expectancy map

Whoops

https://americaninequality.substack.com/p/life-expectancy-and-inequality

Thanks

[sys]

not going to bother looking for it, but there was an interesting thread from the economist data guy a couple days ago on this topic.  the majority (but only barely) of the difference btwn us longevity and other longevity in other high income nations was non-medical.  gun deaths, auto-related deaths and illicit drug related deaths mostly affecting younger americans.  if you made it to 65 in the us, your life expectancy is pretty close to the same as in other high income nations.

obesity was another little chunk, but again there was still a good bit of unexplained variance.  honestly, it was a bit unsatisfying.  there wasn't a great unifying explanation.

[michigancat]

not going to bother looking for it, but there was an interesting thread from the economist data guy a couple days ago on this topic.  the majority (but only barely) of the difference btwn us longevity and other longevity in other high income nations was non-medical.  gun deaths, auto-related deaths and illicit drug related deaths mostly affecting younger americans.  if you made it to 65 in the us, your life expectancy is pretty close to the same as in other high income nations.

obesity was another little chunk, but again there was still a good bit of unexplained variance.  honestly, it was a bit unsatisfying.  there wasn't a great unifying explanation.

Again, whether it's poverty or health care or drugs or guns, we as a country are making a choice to accept those young deaths or low life expectancy or however you want to classify it

[sonofdaxjones]

lol, I'm not reading that, dax. My goodness.

You read it and realized that it's not 1953 in America anymore.

Congratulations for living in a country that has given you the opportunity to participate in middle class/upper middle class economic flight to the good schools and the well run cities.  Where all but two people on the city council list advanced degrees in their bios, and the one person who doesn't have an advanced degree is a student at ISU.  A city where 6 in 10 people are college graduates and the school system has a drop out rate of . . . 7%.

[michigancat]

fwiw.

That article the original US longevity map was lifted from also includes this, which is pretty interesting:

More Money Means More Time Alive
Money has become an increasingly strong determinant of who will live longer. People in wealthy counties outlive their poorer counterparts by as much as 20 years now, the greatest gap that in ages that America has seen in 40 years. In South Dakota’s Oglala Lakota county, for example, the average life expectancy is 66.8, making it the worst county in America. The median income in Oglala Lakota is $30,347, which stands in stark contrast to Colorado’s Summit County where life expectancy is 86.9, making it the highest in the country. Median income in Summit is more than 2.5x higher than it is in Oglala Lakota.

When we dive deeper than the county level, we see this relationship between money and life expectancy come into even clearer focus. Raj Chetty at Harvard analyzed 1.4 billion individual tax records between 1999–2014 and matched those to death records. His findings were alarming:

First… the gap in life expectancy between the richest 1% and poorest 1% of individuals was 14.6 years for men and 10.1 years for women. Second, inequality in life expectancy increased over time. Between 2001 and 2014, life expectancy increased by 2.34 years for men and 2.91 years for women in the top 5% of the income distribution, but by only 0.32 years for men and 0.04 years for women in the bottom 5%.

Diving deeper into the bottom five worst counties for expectancy yields some interestiing results. Four of these five counties all have Native American populations higher than 80%. The remaining county, Union in Florida, is not majority Native American, but instead is home to the state’s largest prison population. On average, none of the 31,000 people in these five counties will live past the age of 70.

Whole article is interesting and worth reading:
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/zNqoD/9/

Yeah so for Germany, you don't see the crazy income disparity or life expectancy gap that you see in the US, which might partially explain the poorer correlation between the two maps of Germany. Also it would be interesting to see how "available income" in Germany compares to per capita income in the US.

Regardless, allowing extreme poverty and massive prison populations is a choice that leads to a lot of premature death!

[Rage Against the McKee]

lol, I'm not reading that, dax. My goodness.

I think he basically said that affirmative action exists in universities and it works.

[star seed 7]

lol, I'm not reading that, dax. My goodness.

You read it and realized that it's not 1953 in America anymore.

Congratulations for living in a country that has given you the opportunity to participate in middle class/upper middle class economic flight to the good schools and the well run cities.  Where all but two people on the city council list advanced degrees in their bios, and the one person who doesn't have an advanced degree is a student at ISU.  A city where 6 in 10 people are college graduates and the school system has a drop out rate of . . . 7%.

MIR, in the future please be a little more grateful for what white people have given you.

[wetwillie]

[sonofdaxjones]

lol, I'm not reading that, dax. My goodness.

You read it and realized that it's not 1953 in America anymore.

Congratulations for living in a country that has given you the opportunity to participate in middle class/upper middle class economic flight to the good schools and the well run cities.  Where all but two people on the city council list advanced degrees in their bios, and the one person who doesn't have an advanced degree is a student at ISU.  A city where 6 in 10 people are college graduates and the school system has a drop out rate of . . . 7%.

The country is of course white people

Kind of sad and closed minded, but wholly expected