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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #225 on: June 11, 2018, 05:20:53 PM »
If a Mexican tells me a Mexican joke, am I allowed to laugh?
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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #226 on: June 11, 2018, 05:23:53 PM »
Well, there's only Juan way to find out...

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #227 on: June 11, 2018, 06:01:01 PM »
You can laugh at whatever you want.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #228 on: June 12, 2018, 09:51:01 AM »


etymology is not a moral argument.

It's relevant if the moral question is "does the use of a word negatively impact the feelings of others"?

it's possible to make an ethical argument against using racial and ethnic slurs, she just didn't make one.  i also didn't think it was a great thread.  she contradicted herself at times and i'm fairly confident some of her etymology was inaccurate.

michigancat, i found out mcwhorter has a linguistics podcast and i've been listening to a few.  he has one on nigga/n-word which you might be interested in.  at the very least you can have some confidence in his etymology.  his 'cast is delightful, btw, if you like language at all (although i did catch him in an error, but in spanish, so it probably shouldn't count against him).

http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2018/01/john_mcwhorter_on_nigger_versus_nigga.html

That was very interesting. I thought he danced around the subject of the white kids using it in kfc and wish he would have taken some sort of stance (either way) or taken a deeper dive into the social implications rather than just saying "it's delicate". But podcast is a nice format for what he's doing.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #229 on: June 12, 2018, 10:00:42 AM »
if you read or listen to much of his other stuff it's very apparent he has no patience for those who take a prescriptive approach to language.  so it is completely in character for him to remain descriptive on this issue.
we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #230 on: June 12, 2018, 11:09:00 AM »
You can laugh at whatever you want.

But then am I a racist if I do laugh?

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #231 on: June 12, 2018, 11:26:35 AM »
laughing doesn't change whether you're a racist or not.
we understand it better now that the american century is over and some of us sound more and more like serbs.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #232 on: June 12, 2018, 11:29:31 AM »
if you read or listen to much of his other stuff it's very apparent he has no patience for those who take a prescriptive approach to language.  so it is completely in character for him to remain descriptive on this issue.

well, I think a deeper dive into what made the situation "delicate" could have been really interesting without being prescriptive. Like, he had a pretty lengthy discussion on why the logic of asking "why can they use it to say 'buddy' but I can't use the slur" was flawed but didn't touch the "why can they use it to say 'buddy' but I can't use it to say 'buddy'". I get that white kids saying it was delicate but wanted to know why it was delicate to him.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #233 on: June 12, 2018, 11:30:50 AM »
You can laugh at whatever you want.

But then am I a racist if I do laugh?
The only thing I know is

1) a person told you a joke
2) that person has been somehow identified as Mexican
3) the content of the joke (which includes a Mexican element)
4) you found it funny enough to laugh at

If this was my only encounter with you I would personally keep that information in mind if I had to interact with you again to see if I could put it in more context.  If I already knew you then I would put in that context.

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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #234 on: June 12, 2018, 11:32:45 AM »
yeah, that would have been interesting.  i think he prolly steered clear because his instinct would be that they can use it to say buddy, but he didn't want to stake claim to that position.  or maybe he just thought he'd done enough talking for one podcast.
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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #235 on: June 12, 2018, 12:04:28 PM »
You can laugh at whatever you want.

But then am I a racist if I do laugh?
The only thing I know is

1) a person told you a joke
2) that person has been somehow identified as Mexican
3) the content of the joke (which includes a Mexican element)
4) you found it funny enough to laugh at

If this was my only encounter with you I would personally keep that information in mind if I had to interact with you again to see if I could put it in more context.  If I already knew you then I would put in that context.

Well actually what I did was sort of smile and cover my mouth like as if to say "Oh, you shouldn't say that."


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Re: Is it really racism...
« Reply #237 on: June 13, 2018, 11:32:00 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/13/pro-trump-firebrand-corey-stewart-wins-virginia-senate-primary-as-crucial-nevada-north-dakota-races-take-shape.html

"We're going to have a lot of fun between now and November, folks," Stewart told a raucous crowd at his victory party Tuesday evening, amid chants of "lock her up."

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