Bossi talks to Meek about Frank's recruiting philosophy

[PoetWarrior]

PoetWarrior agrees completely with a fit philosophy.

Also, thinks the coaches' philosophy is slightly incorrect.

[austin_meek]

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

You can't discount that the main transfers everyone refers too we're blue chips out of high school.  AFAIC, Kelly is a 5-star and Clemente is a top 150 or better.  Both were RSCI recruits.

Oh, no doubt. I'm saying I think K-State can continue getting blue-chip players as transfers.

[steve dave]

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

You can't discount that the main transfers everyone refers too we're blue chips out of high school.  AFAIC, Kelly is a 5-star and Clemente is a top 150 or better.  Both were RSCI recruits.

Oh, no doubt. I'm saying I think K-State can continue getting blue-chip players as transfers.

Let's hope

[kso_FAN]

Its clear that we aren't going to recruit like Kentucky (or even Kansas) and will probably have to be creative (transfers) with some of our recruiting.  We'll get a lot of guys hopefully in the 75-150 spots.  Occasionally a Top 50.  Mix in some outside of the Top 150 and strange JUCOs (Myles).  But we can win a lot of games this way.  

If this makes me have the "we are poor ole K-State in recruiting" mentality, so be it, but it looks like reality.  JMHO.

[Dr Rick Daris]

maybe instead of trying to recruit top players to come in right out of highschool, the staff is trying to recruit them to come if they don't like the school they initially choose?

"hey top 20 recruit. we know we're kstate and there's no way that you think you want to come here right now, but just keep us in mind after your frosh or soph year if you don't like the playing time you are getting or break too many rules at whatever school it is that you are going to sign with. we'll be here. promise. let us know if you ever need anything. bye for now."

[steve dave]

Its clear that we aren't going to recruit like Kentucky (or even Kansas) and will probably have to be creative (transfers) with some of our recruiting.  We'll get a lot of guys hopefully in the 75-150 spots.  Occasionally a Top 50.  Mix in some outside of the Top 150 and strange JUCOs (Myles).  But we can win a lot of games this way.  

If this makes me have the "we are poor ole K-State in recruiting" mentality, so be it, but it looks like reality.  JMHO.

Hey, as long as we're doing things the right way I'm ok with it

[yosh]

Its clear that we aren't going to recruit like Kentucky (or even Kansas) and will probably have to be creative (transfers) with some of our recruiting.  We'll get a lot of guys hopefully in the 75-150 spots.  Occasionally a Top 50.  Mix in some outside of the Top 150 and strange JUCOs (Myles).  But we can win a lot of games this way.  

Change "occansionally" to "yearly" and I have no problem with it at all.  (And we can get the top 50 through transfer as well.)  That's the formula that's worked under this staff, but if you stop picking up the elites, I don't think it's going to continue to work. 

[chum1]

This hints at it:

"I don’t think they care about going out and getting the guys that have five stars next to their names. Obviously they want them, but it's more about getting the guys that fit the mold. There are schools that all they care about are ratings, whether they admit it or not. I really like (K-State's) approach."

The fact that no good players mention us also supports my theory.

kstate not being mentioned by elites isn't in the blog.  and even so, kstate has mentions with the 20, 21 and 29 players on the list, plus several a little lower down.  given the pitiful number of mentions that we've been allowed, that ratio isn't bad.

The quote says that the top priority is fit.  Like all coaches whose recruiting classes don't make headlines on their own, Frank has talked about fit being the biggest factor before.  That doesn't make it true.  And it's probably stupid to believe them.  But it's what they say. 

[catzacker]

oh, and w. regard to the blog post, the negativecats in michigan and wichita are overblowing it.  the only one saying the staff doesn't want 5 stars in meek.  bossi just says that the staff trusts their own evals, and doesn't care if the recruiting coverage validates that or not.  bfd.

Who doesn't want 5* talent?  It's, like, getting it that's the tough part.  The "fit" thing is either (a) an excuse for not being able to get 5* type talent (b) the staff being overly confident on their evals or (c) the staff actually believing in fit over talent.

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

I'm saying it.  Othewise we'd get mentions.  Unless those 5* are complying with Frank's "don't ask/ don't tell" policy of recruiting.

And no, it's not a sustainable model in terms of finishing in the top 4 of the big 12 consistently.  who fracking does this in the Big 12 and is consistently good?

[PoetWarrior]

Fit:

Ell Roberson III runs a QB draw 15 times a game and opponents are annihilated.


Anyone here watch Cat football?

[yosh]

Average class post Wooly (5 classes)
1 5-star (Bennett, Beasley, Walker, Kelly, Judge)
1 3 or 4 star Rivals 150 (Clemente, Sutton, McGruder, Russell, Southwell)
1 JUCO
2 3-star unranked highschool players

I'm completely fine with this pattern.  We don't need to have this exact pattern every class, but over a 3 or 4 year period, the pattern needs to continue.  We go two or three straight seasons without any top 50s, it's going to spell trouble.

[fatty fat fat]

lmao. do i sound like this sometimes? damn, how embarrassing. 

[yosh]

lmao. do i sound like this sometimes? damn, how embarrassing. 

 

[sys]

lmao. do i sound like this sometimes? damn, how embarrassing. 

how awkward.  like when that "sniff, sniff" gpc poster took a message board vacation, then tried to worm his way back into the pecking order.

[yosh]

First post I noticed FFF make since TP bought KSUfans.  Mostly because it's ruining my thread....   

[catzacker]

lmao. do i sound like this sometimes? damn, how embarrassing. 

how awkward.  like when that "sniff, sniff" gpc poster took a message board vacation, then tried to worm his way back into the pecking order.

 

[GetVocalwithCurt]

you don't need ridiculous talent to run Frank's system.

Mike Anderson and Frank run fairly similar systems and Mike prior to this past year had a bunch of three star kids.

You need overly athletic kids who are willing to play defense.

Frank and the staff are great at evaluating talent. I can't really name a player Frank has whiffed on besides for Gilbert and Herrera. That's a pretty good track record.

[steve dave]

you don't need ridiculous talent to run Frank's system.

Mike Anderson and Frank run fairly similar systems and Mike prior to this past year had a bunch of three star kids.

You need overly athletic kids who are willing to play defense.

Frank and the staff are great at evaluating talent. I can't really name a player Frank has whiffed on besides for Gilbert and Herrera. That's a pretty good track record.

Buchi, Fred, Ron...probably too early to make a call on any of the 2009's

[steve dave]

Why haven't we offered Harrison?

He must not be the right "fit".

Look, Frank needs to make sure he does this the RIGHT way. He needs to build this program so that it lasts for the long haul. It's all about team chem and sometimes that doesn't allow the 5-star players a spot.

He is building a team that can grind wins out.

"The foundation for this program has been laid...There is no doubt in my mind that we will succeed." -Frank Martin

[doom]

you don't need ridiculous talent to run Frank's system.

Mike Anderson and Frank run fairly similar systems and Mike prior to this past year had a bunch of three star kids.

You need overly athletic kids who are willing to play defense.

Frank and the staff are great at evaluating talent. I can't really name a player Frank has whiffed on besides for Gilbert and Herrera. That's a pretty good track record.

Buchi, Fred, Ron...probably too early to make a call on any of the 2009's

We could use any of those players imo.

[CNS]

Why haven't we offered Harrison?

He must not be the right "fit".

Look, Frank needs to make sure he does this the RIGHT way. He needs to build this program so that it lasts for the long haul. It's all about team chem and sometimes that doesn't allow the 5-star players a spot.

He is building a team that can grind wins out.

"The foundation for this program has been laid...There is no doubt in my mind that we will succeed." -Frank Martin

Thought they would bite on that a little better.  pretty disappointed so far.

[sys]

Thought they would bite on that a little better.  pretty disappointed so far.

i thought you juiced the convo perfectly.  great message boarding.

[GetVocalwithCurt]

you don't need ridiculous talent to run Frank's system.

Mike Anderson and Frank run fairly similar systems and Mike prior to this past year had a bunch of three star kids.

You need overly athletic kids who are willing to play defense.

Frank and the staff are great at evaluating talent. I can't really name a player Frank has whiffed on besides for Gilbert and Herrera. That's a pretty good track record.

Buchi, Fred, Ron...probably too early to make a call on any of the 2009's

I don't if Buchi was a complete whiff. He would have been good to have on this year's team. Fred was talented but did not want to play defense like Frank wanted him to pay defense. Ron I will give you.

[sys]

so you're saying he's poor at evaluating fit?

 

[The42Yardstick]

"this message board really knows its kansas state athletes"