Bossi talks to Meek about Frank's recruiting philosophy

[steve dave]

Nino now ranked #105 in new rivals 150.  

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivals150/2011

#102.  

  Almost a  

[kso_FAN]

Nino now ranked #105 in new rivals 150.   

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-rivals150/2011

#102. 

  Almost a  

Yep.  And proof that the current recruiting philosophy is working. 

Its good to be us.

[yosh]

My honest opinion, I don't have a problem with the "fit" theory as long as half of the "good fits" are 4 and 5 star players.  I think you can create a great program where only half the guys are top 100 types.  In the post Wooly era, we've averaged one 5-star, and one more top 150 per class, which I think is just fine.  I don't have illusions of bringing in multiple McDonald AAs every year, and there is pleanty of evidence that teams can be consistantly very good without it.  Problem is, you have to be recruiting/offering enough high level kids every year, that your bound to get at least one of them.  We seem to be so chosey about "fit" that if the one or two elites we recruit every year don't commit, we're eventually going to end up with a bunch of good fit, moderately talented guys.

[chum1]

Do you guys also believe the coaches when they say that they nabbed every single recruit they were after?  Because they say that too.

[yosh]

BTW, Harrison now #29.  loves (loved?) K-state.  No offer.  

[michigancat]

BTW, Harrison now #29.  loves (loved?) K-state.  No offer.   

"fit"

[chum1]

BTW, Harrison now #29.  loves (loved?) K-state.  No offer.   

"fit"

Yeah.  That's a terrible explanation.

[michigancat]

BTW, Harrison now #29.  loves (loved?) K-state.  No offer.   

"fit"

Yeah.  That's a terrible explanation.

Yeah.

[sonofdaxjones]

Welcome to the Spring and Summer of 1988 fellas.

 

[steve dave]

BTW, Harrison now #29.  loves (loved?) K-state.  No offer.  

He's almost      

[yosh]

Remember when i was hoping for a Gibson, Boatright, Williams and Harrison class?  That class would be outstanding now.

[catzacker]

BTW, Harrison now #29.  loves (loved?) K-state.  No offer.  

He's almost      

other teams know about him.  how the hell do you expect Frank to recruit him now?

[steve dave]

Remember when i was hoping for a Gibson, Boatright, Williams and Harrison class?  That class would be outstanding now.

Yeah, that would be nice

[sys]

i care less about the staff landing 5 stars than i do them throwing out offers to everyone in the country with decent talent.  can you imagine how much fun baylor and marquette fans have with recruiting?  this staff is cheating us on mentions.

[sys]

oh, and w. regard to the blog post, the negativecats in michigan and wichita are overblowing it.  the only one saying the staff doesn't want 5 stars in meek.  bossi just says that the staff trusts their own evals, and doesn't care if the recruiting coverage validates that or not.  bfd.

[michigancat]

Remember when i was hoping for a Gibson, Boatright, Williams and Harrison class?  That class would be outstanding now.

what's changed since then?  I kind of thought you were crazy back then.

oh, and w. regard to the blog post, the negativecats in michigan and wichita are overblowing it.  the only one saying the staff doesn't want 5 stars in meek.  bossi just says that the staff trusts their own evals, and doesn't care if the recruiting coverage validates that or not.  bfd.

I trust their evals 100% - I think they're great at it (at least early in the process).  They just suck at getting the players they want, and have seemingly completely given up on recruitment of highly ranked players they want.  That's what's frustrating.  Maybe we're just little ole ksu, and we're getting the best we can expect.  (although BeasWalk is hard to forget/ignore.  it DID happen).

[sys]

I trust their evals 100% - I think they're great at it (at least early in the process).  They just suck at getting the players they want, and have seemingly completely given up on recruitment of highly ranked players they want.  That's what's frustrating.  Maybe we're just little ole ksu, and we're getting the best we can expect.  (although BeasWalk is hard to forget/ignore.  it DID happen).

there is nothing in that blog post that suggests that kstate has given up recruiting highly ranked players, except meek throwing in filler.

[michigancat]

I trust their evals 100% - I think they're great at it (at least early in the process).  They just suck at getting the players they want, and have seemingly completely given up on recruitment of highly ranked players they want.  That's what's frustrating.  Maybe we're just little ole ksu, and we're getting the best we can expect.  (although BeasWalk is hard to forget/ignore.  it DID happen).

there is nothing in that blog post that suggests that kstate has given up recruiting highly ranked players, except meek throwing in filler.

This hints at it:

"I don’t think they care about going out and getting the guys that have five stars next to their names. Obviously they want them, but it's more about getting the guys that fit the mold. There are schools that all they care about are ratings, whether they admit it or not. I really like (K-State's) approach."

The fact that no good players mention us also suports my theory.

[yosh]

Remember when i was hoping for a Gibson, Boatright, Williams and Harrison class?  That class would be outstanding now.

what's changed since then?  I kind of thought you were crazy back then.

Harrison's a near 5-star and Williams is a near 4-star.  Don't disagree with the crazy part.

oh, and w. regard to the blog post, the negativecats in michigan and wichita are overblowing it.  the only one saying the staff doesn't want 5 stars in meek.  bossi just says that the staff trusts their own evals, and doesn't care if the recruiting coverage validates that or not.  bfd.

Is this referring to me?  Thought I was fairly positive/nuetral in the thread.   

[austin_meek]

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

[sys]

This hints at it:

"I don’t think they care about going out and getting the guys that have five stars next to their names. Obviously they want them, but it's more about getting the guys that fit the mold. There are schools that all they care about are ratings, whether they admit it or not. I really like (K-State's) approach."

The fact that no good players mention us also supports my theory.

kstate not being mentioned by elites isn't in the blog.  and even so, kstate has mentions with the 20, 21 and 29 players on the list, plus several a little lower down.  given the pitiful number of mentions that we've been allowed, that ratio isn't bad.

[sys]

Is this referring to me?  Thought I was fairly positive/nuetral in the thread.   

yeah, sorry.

[yosh]

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

You can't discount that the main transfers everyone refers too we're blue chips out of high school.  AFAIC, Kelly is a 5-star and Clemente is a top 150 or better.  Both were RSCI recruits.

[sys]

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

good blog post, austin.

[steve dave]

No one is saying K-State doesn't want/has stopped recruiting five-star players. Everybody wants them. Just observing that K-State built a good team with a bunch of three-stars and transfers, and that's a pretty sustainable recruiting model.

good blog post, austin.

Yeah, thanks austin