The Big Beautfiul Mexican Paid For Wall

[sonofdaxjones]

I have known a number of illegal immigrants and each of them is a better person than 90% of Americans I have come in contact with. I have no idea why you would want to remove quality people from our country, but a lot of people are irrationally afraid of non-whites I guess.

You'll get no argument from me that most white midwesterners simply couldn't handle the diversity and integration of other parts of the country. 

But controlling the borders is not anti-immigration, no matter how much you try and say that it is.

Btw this wall will do little to control borders. Examples of walls not working already provided. Maybe argue this will out the coal miners to work....

The Berlin Wall is your example?   

[star seed 7]

Dax I was just agreeing with your broad brush racist midwesterners statement

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think there is a pretty big difference between the current walls we already have that are located near urban areas and the proposed wall that blocks off a 50 mile hike through the desert. At least from a cost-effectiveness standpoint, there is.

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax I was just agreeing with your broad brush racist midwesterners statement

Nope.  Try again.

 

[Gooch]

Don't care about the wall but do not want to pay for it.

[star seed 7]

Ok dax lol

[Phil Titola]

I have known a number of illegal immigrants and each of them is a better person than 90% of Americans I have come in contact with. I have no idea why you would want to remove quality people from our country, but a lot of people are irrationally afraid of non-whites I guess.

You'll get no argument from me that most white midwesterners simply couldn't handle the diversity and integration of other parts of the country. 

But controlling the borders is not anti-immigration, no matter how much you try and say that it is.

Btw this wall will do little to control borders. Examples of walls not working already provided. Maybe argue this will out the coal miners to work....

The Berlin Wall is your example?   

Nope.

[sonofdaxjones]

I have known a number of illegal immigrants and each of them is a better person than 90% of Americans I have come in contact with. I have no idea why you would want to remove quality people from our country, but a lot of people are irrationally afraid of non-whites I guess.

You'll get no argument from me that most white midwesterners simply couldn't handle the diversity and integration of other parts of the country. 

But controlling the borders is not anti-immigration, no matter how much you try and say that it is.

Btw this wall will do little to control borders. Examples of walls not working already provided. Maybe argue this will out the coal miners to work....

The Berlin Wall is your example?   

Nope.

Then what are the examples?  Before you post them, please post examples from countries with the technical prowess, GDP and budgetary capabilities of the United States in relative terms.   Oh, and the political will to protect the borders.

[Phil Titola]

Our current southern border walls are scaled and tunnels dug under them regularly

[sonofdaxjones]

Our current southern border walls are scaled and tunnels dug under them regularly

Incomplete wall, underfunded border patrol and lack of political will.

Any other examples?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Where are we going to find the political will, dax? I mean, sure, Trump will waste money on border patrol, but after that, I doubt this wall gets maintained or monitored.

[OK_Cat]

Will Mexico be paying for the patrol, also? Or will the patrol be working for free? (America!)


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[star seed 7]

Wasn't there already some ya'llqueda vigilante group patrolling and vowing to shoot any messican they see?

[Tobias]

david clarke will be tasked with forming a well-armed "red rover" line from gulf to gulf

[sonofdaxjones]

Where are we going to find the political will, dax? I mean, sure, Trump will waste money on border patrol, but after that, I doubt this wall gets maintained or monitored.

Then there's political will to purposely not control the borders.   Why wouldn't our countries leaders not want to control the borders of our country?   

[Gooch]

Wasn't there already some ya'llqueda vigilante group patrolling and vowing to shoot any messican they see?

Saw a pretty scary Vice episode about these very (to steal Dax's term) Wackadoos.

[Tobias]

Wasn't there already some ya'llqueda vigilante group patrolling and vowing to shoot any messican they see?

all those mexican words sound like "dildo", honest mistake

[Rage Against the McKee]

Where are we going to find the political will, dax? I mean, sure, Trump will waste money on border patrol, but after that, I doubt this wall gets maintained or monitored.

Then there's political will to purposely not control the borders.   Why wouldn't our countries leaders not want to control the borders of our country?

The problems are exaggerated and the costs to fix them are great.

[Emo EMAW]

Probably should be accepting RFPs to build roads to actually deliver the wall materials to the construction sites. That would have to be done first.

I'm sure the cost of a road is easily calculated.

It still has to be designed and built. More than half of the border has no road access.

So?  The first focus should be on the greatest uncertainty.  Also, how can they generate specs for roads until they know what materials must be hauled on them?

[star seed 7]

It probably doesn't matter, trucks can only carry so much, and you aren't sending half full trucks

[sonofdaxjones]

Exaggerations?  This will be hard reading for most of you, so I expect plenty of TLDNR (sad):

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tidd_03-10-16.pdf


http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-04-21-SouthcomThreatsMatrix2-thumb.gif

[puniraptor]

revenue oppy: turn all the wall proposal mockups into a climbing park


my wall proposal is self replicating nanobots that consume the flesh and bone of illegal border crossers to craft a carbon nanotube barrier. THATS how the Mexicans pay for it.

[Phil Titola]

Our current southern border walls are scaled and tunnels dug under them regularly

Incomplete wall, underfunded border patrol and lack of political will.

Any other examples?

incomplete wall...still scaled and buried under vs. walk around it....complete wall doesn't stop that.  Whatever makes you fear mongers feel better though.  Sure a Trump buddy will make a mint of the contract.

[sonofdaxjones]

Our current southern border walls are scaled and tunnels dug under them regularly

Incomplete wall, underfunded border patrol and lack of political will.

Any other examples?

incomplete wall...still scaled and buried under vs. walk around it....complete wall doesn't stop that.  Whatever makes you fear mongers feel better though.  Sure a Trump buddy will make a mint of the contract.

Weird, just thinking of Dem hero LBJ, the offspring of Brown and Root aka Halliburton, but I digress. 

Just seems weird that people who would rather be engaged in the common defense, would engage so deeply in the nefarious and cryptic world of Narco-Terrorist and similar vermin, just for the sake of "fear mongering".

Also weird that Dems suddenly feel so "inspired" about this after 8 years of exponential growth of the paranoid deep state by their idol.   

Oh well, admitting you were duped is hard.   


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[Phil Titola]

Exaggerations?  This will be hard reading for most of you, so I expect plenty of TLDNR (sad):

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tidd_03-10-16.pdf


http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-04-21-SouthcomThreatsMatrix2-thumb.gif

"As we face an increasingly complex, interconnected security environment, we must look beyond borders and boundaries and seek not just whole-of government, but whole-of-hemisphere solutions to our shared challenges."

Sounds like we need a hemisphere border wall dax.