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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #225 on: February 14, 2017, 05:30:03 PM »
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“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

Fortunately for Ted, his overtures to Yuri (I mean, talk about a KGB henchman) didn't occur in the age of the social media and perpetual meltdowns.   Then again, Ted was a Kennedy, utterly infallible on most levels of the (D) ranks.

http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #226 on: February 14, 2017, 05:41:24 PM »
Deja Vu all over again:  Libs accused Candidate Reagan of a secret deal on U.S. Hostages in Iran . . . years later conservatives accused Candidate Obama of using former Ambassador to Iran William Miller to send messages to the rulers of Iran not to negotiate with George Bush but wait until after the election.

Logan Act!  :curse:

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #227 on: February 14, 2017, 05:42:45 PM »
Dax "if anything has even tangentially been done before it's perfectly fine for Trump team to do it now"

LOL at digging up a column from 2008 about a 1983 memo written by our enemy.  Dax won't give a second glance to information written by our own ally's spies....but this....this absolves his boy.

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #228 on: February 14, 2017, 05:44:20 PM »
Dax "if anything has even tangentially been done before it's perfectly fine for Trump team to do it now"

LOL at digging up a column from 2008 about a 1983 memo written by our enemy.  Dax won't give a second glance to information written by our own ally's spies....but this....this absolves his boy.

"Fire the guy" Dax

"Investigate" Dax

For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, rough ridin' read for a change.


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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #229 on: February 14, 2017, 07:08:02 PM »
Dax do you believe the Trump admin will be or more firm in dealing with Russ's?  I think Barry's weakness emboldened them and Trump needs to tighten the sanctions especially trade.

No, I don't, but they'll go after Russian client state Iran hard.

That's a failure then.

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #230 on: February 14, 2017, 07:31:38 PM »
Dax "if anything has even tangentially been done before it's perfectly fine for Trump team to do it now"

LOL at digging up a column from 2008 about a 1983 memo written by our enemy.  Dax won't give a second glance to information written by our own ally's spies....but this....this absolves his boy.

"Fire the guy" Dax

"Investigate" Dax

For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, rough ridin' read for a change.

"if" Dax

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #231 on: February 14, 2017, 08:57:59 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #232 on: February 14, 2017, 08:59:12 PM »
Don't you know Abe Lincoln contacted the Russians too....where was the outrage?!?

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #233 on: February 14, 2017, 09:05:21 PM »
Dax "if anything has even tangentially been done before it's perfectly fine for Trump team to do it now"

LOL at digging up a column from 2008 about a 1983 memo written by our enemy.  Dax won't give a second glance to information written by our own ally's spies....but this....this absolves his boy.

"Fire the guy" Dax

"Investigate" Dax

For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, rough ridin' read for a change.

"if" Dax

Titola justice: Guilty until proven innocent and if innocent, still guilty.   Welcome to the Deep State, friends.  No fun to be had.


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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #234 on: February 14, 2017, 09:09:33 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

LOL, yeah, the poor NSA just knows there were calls, but they don't know what was said.   A $100 billion dollar a year plus intelligence complex but golly, we just can't say if there was any criminal activity that went down.   The intelligence community is clearly very pissed their guy is gone and their lady didn't get elected.

If it was treasonous, then spill it.

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #235 on: February 14, 2017, 09:10:39 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

LOL, yeah, the poor NSA just knows there were calls, but they don't know what was said.   A $100 billion dollar a year plus intelligence complex but golly, we just can't say if there was any criminal activity that went down.   The intelligence community is clearly very pissed their guy is gone and their lady didn't get elected.

If it was treasonous, then spill it.

illegal leaks though Dax.

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #236 on: February 14, 2017, 09:12:51 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

LOL, yeah, the poor NSA just knows there were calls, but they don't know what was said.   A $100 billion dollar a year plus intelligence complex but golly, we just can't say if there was any criminal activity that went down.   The intelligence community is clearly very pissed their guy is gone and their lady didn't get elected.

If it was treasonous, then spill it.

illegal leaks though Dax.

Yes, perfectly legally to comment publicly on ongoing "investigations", now the left starts rolling with "unnamed sources" and hanging on every word of the Intelligence community (Deep State).   Libs:  The new (old) neo-cons.

Sad, they really do want war, don't they Phil?

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #237 on: February 14, 2017, 09:21:22 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

LOL, yeah, the poor NSA just knows there were calls, but they don't know what was said.   A $100 billion dollar a year plus intelligence complex but golly, we just can't say if there was any criminal activity that went down.   The intelligence community is clearly very pissed their guy is gone and their lady didn't get elected.

If it was treasonous, then spill it.

I'm anxious for the crap to hit the fan, too, dax!

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #238 on: February 14, 2017, 09:21:32 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

Oh man, Trump used the ruskies to win the election. BOSS MOVE
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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #239 on: February 14, 2017, 09:23:23 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

LOL, yeah, the poor NSA just knows there were calls, but they don't know what was said.   A $100 billion dollar a year plus intelligence complex but golly, we just can't say if there was any criminal activity that went down.   The intelligence community is clearly very pissed their guy is gone and their lady didn't get elected.

If it was treasonous, then spill it.

illegal leaks though Dax.

Yes, perfectly legally to comment publicly on ongoing "investigations", now the left starts rolling with "unnamed sources" and hanging on every word of the Intelligence community (Deep State).   Libs:  The new (old) neo-cons.

Sad, they really do want war, don't they Phil?

we're snowflakes Dax....peace symbols

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #240 on: February 14, 2017, 09:23:53 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

Oh man, Trump used the ruskies to win the election. BOSS MOVE

Toss in the black budget and it's probably a $150 to $200 billion a year budget, but gosh, they just can't be sure if the election was hacked and if Trump is working for those crazy Russians.

Let's roll a bunch of Bureaucrats up in front of Congress to say things like, "well, that's not my department". 




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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #241 on: February 14, 2017, 09:25:23 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

LOL, yeah, the poor NSA just knows there were calls, but they don't know what was said.   A $100 billion dollar a year plus intelligence complex but golly, we just can't say if there was any criminal activity that went down.   The intelligence community is clearly very pissed their guy is gone and their lady didn't get elected.

If it was treasonous, then spill it.

illegal leaks though Dax.

Yes, perfectly legally to comment publicly on ongoing "investigations", now the left starts rolling with "unnamed sources" and hanging on every word of the Intelligence community (Deep State).   Libs:  The new (old) neo-cons.

Sad, they really do want war, don't they Phil?

we're snowflakes Dax....peace symbols

Nope, the New (old) neo-Cons, now in perfect lockstep with America's intelligence community, hanging on every word of the Deep State.

The ProgLib movement . . .  now with shinier jackboots and starch tight brownshirts.


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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #242 on: February 14, 2017, 09:26:14 PM »
Trump: send that stooge podesta one of those third rate emails they send to senile old people asking them to email you their username and password.

Vlad: nobody that high up is that stupid

Trump: he's tremendously stupid, not smart

Vlad: okay, but if this doesn't work we get to go after the water closet server with no firewall

Trump: there's nothing on there but dick pics and jew jokes, BIGLY
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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #243 on: February 14, 2017, 09:27:34 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

Oh man, Trump used the ruskies to win the election. BOSS MOVE

Toss in the black budget and it's probably a $150 to $200 billion a year budget, but gosh, they just can't be sure if the election was hacked and if Trump is working for those crazy Russians.

Let's roll a bunch of Bureaucrats up in front of Congress to say things like, "well, that's not my department".

Looks like the Russians work for DJT, POWER MOVE
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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #244 on: February 14, 2017, 09:30:18 PM »
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Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html

Oh man, Trump used the ruskies to win the election. BOSS MOVE

Toss in the black budget and it's probably a $150 to $200 billion a year budget, but gosh, they just can't be sure if the election was hacked and if Trump is working for those crazy Russians.

Let's roll a bunch of Bureaucrats up in front of Congress to say things like, "well, that's not my department".

Looks like the Russians work for DJT, POWER MOVE

Agreed, they've got a $200 billion dollar year intelligence complex floating trial balloons and innuendo, and essentially unsure of themselves.  Amateurs vs Pro's.


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Re: Trump and Russia
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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #246 on: February 15, 2017, 09:01:02 AM »
Dax is really destroying this hypothetical Hillary presidency.

Speaking of how Pubs hold people accountable, let's all wait and see if Trump promotes Petraeus.

You mean the guy who was railroaded out and career left in shambles for far, far less then what the (D) presidential nominee was engaged in?

I'm sure the general was all  :dunno: as he observed the (D) presidential nominee essentially skate.



What does Hillary have to do with this?  You said the GOP holds people accountable and the left promotes.  Petraeous purposefully leaked classified information to get laid and is on the promotion list.

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #247 on: February 15, 2017, 09:10:08 AM »
I don't think you understand ChiCat, Hillary has everything to do with this.

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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #248 on: February 15, 2017, 09:13:54 AM »
26 days and the pres has daily Twitter meltdowns


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Re: Trump and Russia
« Reply #249 on: February 15, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
So is the narrative switching from "Obama was soft on Russia thus emboldening them" to now (that it appears Trump is going to capitulate to Russia's wishes) "being mean to Russia was going to lead to a war"?