3:38 to go up 1 with the ball

[gatoveintisiete]

Mir's making a lot of good points tonight

[RickRampus]

Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable.  At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right. 

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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.

Your post above excused a lot of things.

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I haven't said a single thing about anything else but tonight, not one thing. I only care about tonight, right now. I don't care what happened at West Virginia in 2015, I care about right now. You're acting like 5-24 is just fine but 4-25 is a tipping point. They are both horrendous records and neither of them have a single damn to do with us once again not executing and then getting cheated to top it off.

Be done with me, I give as many fucks as I do differentiating between 4-25 and 5-24.

When did I say that was a tipping point? Weird post

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You didn't. I'm trying to figure out why you keep addressing it tonight as if we are just realizing we've been shitty on the road for four years. We're talking about tonight, you're talking about February of 2014.

You're right.  I'm wrong.  Great post

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[gatoveintisiete]

Good point by Rick there

[michigancat]

That was worse than the ku game. That was a stunning series of calls that allowed tech to win. The only thing not 100% their responsibility in the last 2 minutes was iwundus wtf TO

I agree with fsd 100%. College refs are unreal bad.

[michigancat]

I hate Tech so much, always have, always will.
Their players are ugly
Their game is ugly
Their campus is ugly
Their dirty ass city is ugly
Their fans are ugly
Their uniforms are ugly
Their floor is ugly
Their Mr. Potato Head looking ass coach is ugly

Those two bigs, the fat kid with the bad haircut and that bald prick, are flopping ass pussays. They are a disgrace to basketball and I wish nothing but the worst for them. It's a damn shame that they are as big as those dudes are and they're constantly either on the floor or throwing their heads back when someone gets near them. It's the Marcus Smarting of basketball and it's a plague.

I agree with this post 100%, also

[MakeItRain]

If my guy was 6'8" 270# and was on a college court flopping around like he is some pimple faced 5'7" 2A sophomore I'd never let him hear the end of it.

[michigancat]

If my guy was 6'8" 270# and was on a college court flopping around like he is some pimple faced 5'7" 2A sophomore I'd never let him hear the end of it.

To be fair, his sloppy flops were getting calls all night.

[gatoveintisiete]

Refs would smirk at those flops in Allen

[MakeItRain]

If my guy was 6'8" 270# and was on a college court flopping around like he is some pimple faced 5'7" 2A sophomore I'd never let him hear the end of it.

To be fair, his sloppy flops were getting calls all night.

For sure. What's the price of dignity?

[gatoveintisiet]

Everyone deserves blame/credit tonight.  Contributions from coaches and players alike.

Is this what actually showing a sliver of give a crap looks like?

Re: kp30nt, hence the "/credit."

Is that right? I wouldn't know I'm done opening that thread may as well be a renocat thread.

I want Oscar to coach here forever because of that thread.

[TheProdigiousTalent]

:I've alway thought that home cookin' is an obscenely real thing in the B12.  I remember feeling like our wild wildcats were gifted a few wins in the Bram (in years past).  Allen 'magic' seemingly needs no statistical verification, etc.  Surely stats support this (?).  Seems so aggregious.  Wonder if B12 home/away win % / foul differentials are typical (but not enough to investigate/compile stats on my own).

Full disclosure: "watched" last 5 mins by gamecast

[michigancat]

In all seriousness, not ge'ing, I'm not mad at oscar a bit. We're a better team than the old as eff gross red raiders but lost at their place in one of the most horrendously officiated games I've ever seen. It happens.

[gatoveintisiet]

The big 12 is basically pro wrestling

[MakeItRain]

:I've alway thought that home cookin' is an obscenely real thing in the B12.  I remember feeling like our wild wildcats were gifted a few wins in the Bram (in years past).  Allen 'magic' seemingly needs no statistical verification, etc.  Surely stats support this (?).  Seems so aggregious.  Wonder if B12 home/away win % differential istypical (but not enough to investigate/compile stats on my own.

There was a study done across basketball and the Big 12 home court advantage was similar to the national average, I'll try to find it. What's interesting about the Big 12 basketball conference is that there are only three schools that have good home court atmospheres and that's KU, KSU, and ISU. WVU can be good, but they only care about ranked teams. The lame atmospheres of most arenas in the conference doesn't hamper the referee bias, its bizarre.

[TheProdigiousTalent]

If the effect is real, and eff me sideways if it isn't, the thought process is probably something like, "Gee, this 'product' (i.e., attendance) will really suck for about 2/3 of the league if the better team typically wins."  "Let's homecook up ourselves a little hometown edge for the home team."

[gatoveintisiet]

But we need a team in the top five for conference credibility 

[TheProdigiousTalent]

:

There was a study done across basketball and the Big 12 home court advantage was similar to the national average, I'll try to find it. What's interesting about the Big 12 basketball conference is that there are only three schools that have good home court atmospheres and that's KU, KSU, and ISU. WVU can be good, but they only care about ranked teams. The lame atmospheres of most arenas in the conference doesn't hamper the referee bias, its bizarre.

I vaguely remember seeing that, now that you mention it.  I remember discounting it the moment I realized it didn't show obnoxious bias in KU's favor (at the barn).  Lulz.

[MakeItRain]

If the effect is real, and eff me sideways if it isn't, the thought process is probably something like, "Gee, this 'product' (i.e., attendance) will really suck for about 2/3 of the league if the better team typically wins."  "Let's homecook up ourselves a little hometown edge for the home team."

It's not a policy but more human nature.http://www.allmysportsteamssuck.com/2016/01/21/what-is-home-court-advantage-worth-in-college-basketball/

One thing to consider when looking at this chart is that often a crew will work several conferences at one time, so this may say less about the officials and more about other stuff.

[gatoveintisiete]

The big12 is thought of as a great basketball conference, KU has dominated this great conference for a long time. The conference and its top team a perennial 1-2 seed consistently underperform in the tournament.  These things don't add up.  I submit that KU is coddled and the overall conference is overrated because of it.

[star seed 7]

Looks like I missed some great stuff tonight. I had the game on mute while talking to my mom on the phone and wasn't really paying attention. I assumed it was just another weber choke

[sonofdaxjones]

I'm over the comparisons of what other teams did at the same place and I choose to blame the coach. 

We have a coach with ZERO cachet and no zeal, who will never get the calls and will stand there looking like a total dorkstore in the process.

[Spracne]

Y'all are missing the point. KU  (adjusted score) would have also lost if we ran into that buzzsaw in Lubbock. It happens.

[ksupamplemousse]

When did MiR hop on the oscar caboose?

I'm not on any rough ridin' oscar caboose, I ultimately don't care at all about that rich white dude. I do care about Kansas State basketball and I took what happened tonight personally, this happened to me.

I moved to Manhattan in 1996, I didn't miss a home game from the start of the 1996-97 season through the end of the 2002-03 season. I say through a lot of horrible basketball and it had an opposite effect on me, I care more. K-State basketball is bigger than oscar Weber. I suppose I'm not as cool as the 30, 40 and 50 somethings who bend over backwards letting you know how much they don't care and I'm frankly smarter than the blame oscar for everything crowd.

So here we are it appears that I'm fighting for oscar but I'm pissed that this keeps happening to me and others who aren't too cool to give a crap.

Listen, didn't mean to offend. I was in school for the bulk of the Wooly years, and I was at every game. I have listened to, watched on television, or attended every K-State basketball game since I was five years old. If I had to pick one sport to follow for the rest of my life, it would be Cats MBB.

At a certain point though, the fact that your AD hired oscar rough ridin' Weber to be your coach becomes too much. After the millionth punch right in the dick (I mean, come on, regardless of the circumstances, we all knew last night was coming...cuz oscar) a guy just can't take it anymore. Are we all supposed to be pissed off like you all the time? Some of us cope in different ways. We all accept your way of coping, it'd be nice if you extended some grace to the rest of us. Everybody here cares. Who the eff would engage on a K-State basketball message board during this period of K-State hoops if they didn't care? Come on, man. Get real. We're all Cat fans here.

[hatingfrancisco]

meh, it's a road loss against a decent Big 12 team where our team (again) had a chance to win it in the end.  Let's go get Baylor on Saturday and move on.  The ups and downs and sub second emotional roller coaster ride with these kind of games are what makes basketball so enjoyable.  Stop trying so hard to pin this on oscar. 

Go Cats.

   

[Kat Kid]

Kat Kid here with just a few observations.

1.  Yes the refereeing was bad, particularly bad throughout the game.  Inconsistent and indecisive.  Way too many offensive fouls, way too many flops rewarded, some bad calls where the defender was vertical, just bad all around.

2.  The absolute dumbest thing I see is people looking at FT numbers and then using them as absolute proof the officiating was biased.  KU fans were hilariously trotting out the fact that K-State shot more free throws in Allen as proof that they had been cheated that game prior to the no call on the travel.  It is one of the worst types of talking points.

3.  I don't think the Brown call or the out of bounds calls were bad calls.  If you look at the replay, you can see Brown slap him on the arm and that is what causes the ball to go in the back court. 

4.  The problem with the Brown call and lots of others was the indecisive nature of the refs.  Several times you could see them waiting to weigh what outcome would be most just and then retroactively inserting themselves to assure that happens.  It is why there were so many inconsistent calls, because they were trying to do make ups and respond to the flops etc.  It was a bad officiating environment and so it created bad calls.  Really good refs like Jerry Pollard or Higgins will talk to the players even in the middle of a play to warn them if they are fighting for position on the blocks or pull them aside and talk to them during FT or before a time out.  Bad refs are not confident enough to do this and so are indecisive when they have to blow the whistle and then don't want to talk about it afterward.

5.  oscar's T is not being criticized enough.  It absolutely killed any chance of winning that game with the game still very much in doubt.  It is inexcusable.  The time to criticize the refs was a long time ago, as dax rightly pointed out.  And oscar just stands there with his jaw open and doesn't say anything.  Working the refs isn't something that is necessarily going to pay dividends if you aren't an elite team/coach anyway, but at least know the time and situation.  Is it at all surprising that our players choke and find excuses for not finishing when our own coach makes such an enormous error with the game in the balance?