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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: KSU95 on January 10, 2017, 10:03:47 PM
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Who thinks we are going to win??? Has there ever been a less clutch coach than weber. Hope I am wrong.
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We got this. It a Texas school for God sakes.
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Weber trumps Texas
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Welp. This is on wes. That last turn over was horrendous
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No, it's on oscar
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No timeout + the technical is unforgivable
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More fouls than points from your bench is not a recipe for a conference road win.
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Someone needs to explain to me what Weber did to get that technical. We started getting a ton of wtf foul calls at the end there.
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Please. The refs frikin blew it again and Weber responded appropriately. Tired of them missing calls at the end of games that determine the outcome.
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at this point, we have only ourselves to blame for continuing to watch.
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Someone needs to explain to me what Weber did to get that technical. We started getting a ton of wtf foul calls at the end there.
All he did to get that is accept the head coaching position at KSU. The refs were looking for a way to seal this win for Tech and they accomplished their goal. The conference should be embarrassed how we get buttfucked every road game.
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That one is on Curry. Horrible hire.
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That was worse than the ku game. That was a stunning series of calls that allowed tech to win. The only thing not 100% their responsibility in the last 2 minutes was iwundus wtf TO
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Why do we crap our pants at the end of close games? Wes choked both this and the Maryland game away.
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This is the thread I'm going to pick to fight everyone, lets rough ridin' go
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The refs did fine.
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eff this conference and these rigged rough ridin' games.
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That one is on Curry. Horrible hire.
Aside from your stupid logic, you can't spell
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"The Saboteur" can't help but eff this team out of a win in every game that's even remotely close. Why does oscar hate K-State basketball so much?
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The refs were just letting the kids play... On one end of the court anyway
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Snake bitten
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I'm going to start with you "this is all on oscar" idiots. Ultimately is the coaches job to put the players in position to win. The staff did that, you can't say they didn't. It's the players job to execute and they didn't. oscar can't shoot free throws, oscar can't complete passes; at the end of the day the players have to do something, at some point to win. X did, no one else did.
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That was horrendous. There was nothing good about the last two minutes. Not Oscar, not the Cats, not Tech, not the officiating. It was a big bowl of pathetic wtf. Congrats, everyone.
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Can't spell, but I called Oscar's inability to finish this and any game.
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Is anyone really surprised a oscar team can't finish a close game?
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It's not an either/or. The refs fn suck, Weber fn sucks, and the players choked. This board sucks too.
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Wanna ruin mir's night? Just agree with him, cuz I know I do.
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Kam missed a 1-and-1. That's where our demise started.
WTF. Westicles. Leaves his feet. Not only was it a TO, it led to a fast break
And after Sneed block, brown gave up on play. Tech guy didn't. Brown could have had that Rebound. He was about 3-4 closer to the basket just as Sneed was making that block.
And of course, we get a tacky foul on Brown, and then foul on Dean, and yet no call when Brown gets hit on the head on his layup.
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If anyone says anything about the T you are being a disingenuous dick bag. If Frank got that T the collective orgasm on here couldn't be contained. That bald bitch who called the T needs to have his face caved in, I'm pretty sure that was the same ref who called Wade for that awful fifth AFTER one of their trash players missed the shot. That guy should be checked to see if he's betting on games.
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Snake bitten
https://twitter.com/gottliebshow/status/819036453095276545
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Can't spell, but I called Oscar's inability to finish this and any game.
He really sucked finishing at the rim tonight.
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Sneed is the best finisher of the perimeter guys, maybe he needs the ball in the late game possessions
Wes is broken and Stokes & Brown are too small
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If anyone says anything about the T you are being a disingenuous dick bag. If Frank got that T the collective orgasm on here couldn't be contained. That bald bitch who called the T needs to have his face caved in, I'm pretty sure that was the same ref who called Wade for that awful fifth AFTER one of their trash players missed the shot. That guy should be checked to see if he's betting on games.
THIS
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Seriously though. Can anyone blaming the technical on Weber explain what he did? I could not tell on TV.
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When did MiR hop on the oscar caboose?
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Can't essentially score 2 points in the final 3 minutes of a game and expect to win (I know it was really 5). Awful finish by K-State, Tech wanted it more and finished (10 pts in final 3 minutes). I'd blame the officials for jacking up the flow due to late inconsistency and seemingly one-sidedness in the final minute (Wade's late call, Brown's touch foul, Tech?, etc.), BUT that would only detract from how much K-State really couldn't finish.
Armchair moment: I noticed there was no heart/energy in our huddle late in the game. This was most obvious to me with Wade, and he seemed to have no desire to step up late. Westicles (TO) and Brown (weak finish; not looking for the pass) panicked and were both unable to meet the moment.
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eff this conference and these rigged rough ridin' games.
THIS TOO
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I hate Tech so much, always have, always will.
Their players are ugly
Their game is ugly
Their campus is ugly
Their dirty ass city is ugly
Their fans are ugly
Their uniforms are ugly
Their floor is ugly
Their Mr. Potato Head looking ass coach is ugly
Those two bigs, the fat kid with the bad haircut and that bald prick, are flopping ass pussays. They are a disgrace to basketball and I wish nothing but the worst for them. It's a damn shame that they are as big as those dudes are and they're constantly either on the floor or throwing their heads back when someone gets near them. It's the Marcus Smarting of basketball and it's a plague.
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If anyone says anything about the T you are being a disingenuous dick bag. If Frank got that T the collective orgasm on here couldn't be contained. That bald bitch who called the T needs to have his face caved in, I'm pretty sure that was the same ref who called Wade for that awful fifth AFTER one of their trash players missed the shot. That guy should be checked to see if he's betting on games.
the 5th on wade was maybe the single worst call i have ever seen. guy shot it, landed, ball came down, we got the ball and started the other way, and then wade is called for fouling the guy on the elbow on the shot. what in the actual eff
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It's not an either/or. The refs fn suck, Weber fn sucks, and the players choked. This board sucks too.
that p. much says it all
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Can't spell, but I called Oscar's inability to finish this and any game.
He really sucked finishing at the rim tonight.
Once Weber gets rid of Frank's players, recruits his own guys, and has a chance to coach them for 4/5 years then can we hold him accountable ??
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Snake bitten
https://twitter.com/gottliebshow/status/819036453095276545
And Miles Simon replied to that saying " No not unlucky, K-State got screwed 2 weeks in a row"
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
Unluckiest team in the big 12.
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
That's astounding
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
Apparently from what I am reading on this board that's not oscar's fault. He's not the guy dribbling and shooting.
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https://twitter.com/jswabash/status/819040543997038592
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No timeout + the technical is unforgivable
I'm not sure if he was talking about the very end or the earlier possession that tech got a fast break out of, but in the postgame he said it was his fault for not calling timeout and them immediately faulted whichever player he was talking about for not having the poise to call timeout himself when there was nothing there. Pretty awesome.
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Watched this game with an Illinois alum who is a long time friend. At the end, he only looked at me and said, "I'm sorry, but I did warn you about him."
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
Man, and to think we could have been 6-23.
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
That's astounding
2 of those wins are against last place TCU teams as well.
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Horse turds!
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https://twitter.com/GottliebShow/status/819037050586431488
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The last 2-3 possessions were so disjointed and atypical of what one should expect from a D-1 basketball team.
I've seen better possessions in tied pickup games at the Chester Peters rec center by kids with nothing more than KS HS basketball experience.
Who the eff is in charge of not letting our scholarship athletes go rogue during the last 90-120 seconds??
:facepalm:
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
Unluckiest team in the big 12.
But Westicles left his feet... lol.
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https://twitter.com/jswabash/status/819040543997038592
If we can get another no-statement statement from the Big 12 I'll call it a win.
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I think it's actually 5-24 (ku, last week).
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https://twitter.com/jswabash/status/819040543997038592
If we can get another no-statement statement from the Big 12 I'll call it a win.
We need the one on Wade after the ball heeled off and we pulled down the rebound.
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The man tried to silence me, I'm back and even more pissed
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I was so wanting to be wrong this time.
The road record is so Wooly its not even funny now.
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When did MiR hop on the oscar caboose?
All I know is he was right about Sisco, so I'm not about to question him now.
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I want to hear more from those that say it's not webers fault.
He doesn't miss the FTs , he doesn't make the dumb passes.......
Nope, but he does recruit the ones who do
Maybe that stellar road record is all cause of bad officiating!
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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When did MiR hop on the oscar caboose?
All I know is he wtas right about Sisco, so I'm not about to question him now.
No doubt, he definitely was.
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I was KITN prepared.
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When did MiR hop on the oscar caboose?
I'm not on any rough ridin' oscar caboose, I ultimately don't care at all about that rich white dude. I do care about Kansas State basketball and I took what happened tonight personally, this happened to me.
I moved to Manhattan in 1996, I didn't miss a home game from the start of the 1996-97 season through the end of the 2002-03 season. I say through a lot of horrible basketball and it had an opposite effect on me, I care more. K-State basketball is bigger than oscar Weber. I suppose I'm not as cool as the 30, 40 and 50 somethings who bend over backwards letting you know how much they don't care and I'm frankly smarter than the blame oscar for everything crowd.
So here we are it appears that I'm fighting for oscar but I'm pissed that this keeps happening to me and others who aren't too cool to give a crap.
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I threw a water bottle through the glass doors of my fireplace and I'm 100% sending the bill to the Big 12 office.
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How many extra possessions did tech get in the last 2 minutes on 2 second delayed calls like the one against Wade and Brown? There was the ball the tech guard smacked out of bounds they went to the monitor on and still mumped up. That's just not something a team on the road can overcome in a close game. We played great D and just enough offense to win, and win comfortably, and we got buttfucked big12ref style.
It's no wonder ku ties to win the conference every year, it's a rough ridin' sham
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how many points did we win by, g27?
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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This is such a stupid rough ridin' talking point. Everybody agrees we sucked the last two years. If we're gonna include thise throw in the title town years.
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Sorry guys but oscar doesn't get any respect.
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
That's astounding
That's a 100% indisputable fact.
WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT? oscar is 1-26 in his career on the second Tuesday of the month
SO WHAT?
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I want to hear more from those that say it's not webers fault.
He doesn't miss the FTs , he doesn't make the dumb passes.......
Nope, but he does recruit the ones who do
Maybe that stellar road record is all cause of bad officiating!
And he runs off/can't keep around the ones who don't. This guy's an equal opportunity loser. He's also very weird.
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Title town years? No, I won't include the times when our players that had endgame coaching took over and told Weber to STFU. 4-25 v. Big 12? C'mon man, this isn't the hill you want to die on.
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How many extra possessions did tech get in the last 2 minutes on 2 second delayed calls like the one against Wade and Brown? There was the ball the tech guard smacked out of bounds they went to the monitor on and still mumped up. That's just not something a team on the road can overcome in a close game. We played great D and just enough offense to win, and win comfortably, and we got buttfucked big12ref style.
It's no wonder ku ties to win the conference every year, it's a rough ridin' sham
Our 2nd half defense was awful.
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They made very difficult shots, stats slave
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No timeout + the technical is unforgivable
I'm not sure if he was talking about the very end or the earlier possession that tech got a fast break out of, but in the postgame he said it was his fault for not calling timeout and them immediately faulted whichever player he was talking about for not having the poise to call timeout himself when there was nothing there. Pretty awesome.
If you actually watched the game you would know he was talking about the next to last possession when Wes had a terrible turnover that led to a fast break. In retrospect yeah, I guess he should have called timeout but I'm willing to bet no one watching that game said at the time, before the turnover that we should have called timeout.
And yes he blamed wes for the turnover, because he threw the rough ridin' ball away. I don't know crap about anything but what I do know is that you or frankly anyone else wouldn't have brought their assess on here when the game was over and said. "oscar didn't call that timeout and Wes hit that amazing layup, great move by oscar for not calling the timeout and better move by oscar for willing wes to making that layup."
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They made very difficult shots, stats slave
Okay. Thanks.
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Oscar is only good with OPP
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No timeout + the technical is unforgivable
I'm not sure if he was talking about the very end or the earlier possession that tech got a fast break out of, but in the postgame he said it was his fault for not calling timeout and them immediately faulted whichever player he was talking about for not having the poise to call timeout himself when there was nothing there. Pretty awesome.
If you actually watched the game you would know he was talking about the next to last possession when Wes had a terrible turnover that led to a fast break. In retrospect yeah, I guess he should have called timeout but I'm willing to bet no one watching that game said at the time, before the turnover that we should have called timeout.
And yes he blamed wes for the turnover, because he threw the rough ridin' ball away. I don't know crap about anything but what I do know is that you or frankly anyone else wouldn't have brought their assess on here when the game was over and said. "oscar didn't call that timeout and Wes hit that amazing layup, great move by oscar for not calling the timeout and better move by oscar for willing wes to making that layup."
We used our timeout when tech was shooting free throws. No reason to call another. Wes blew the set. He had a shot and tried to dish.
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No timeout + the technical is unforgivable
I'm not sure if he was talking about the very end or the earlier possession that tech got a fast break out of, but in the postgame he said it was his fault for not calling timeout and them immediately faulted whichever player he was talking about for not having the poise to call timeout himself when there was nothing there. Pretty awesome.
If you actually watched the game you would know he was talking about the next to last possession when Wes had a terrible turnover that led to a fast break. In retrospect yeah, I guess he should have called timeout but I'm willing to bet no one watching that game said at the time, before the turnover that we should have called timeout.
And yes he blamed wes for the turnover, because he threw the rough ridin' ball away. I don't know crap about anything but what I do know is that you or frankly anyone else wouldn't have brought their assess on here when the game was over and said. "oscar didn't call that timeout and Wes hit that amazing layup, great move by oscar for not calling the timeout and better move by oscar for willing wes to making that layup."
I watched the game for the most part, but I wasn't paying attention to the question that oscar gave that answer to, which is why I didn't know with certainty which play he was talking about. It obviously didn't seem to fit the last play as much which is why I distinguished his comment from the non-timeout 8mp posted about.
Everyone deserves blame/credit tonight. Contributions from coaches and players alike.
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If anyone says anything about the T you are being a disingenuous dick bag. If Frank got that T the collective orgasm on here couldn't be contained. That bald bitch who called the T needs to have his face caved in, I'm pretty sure that was the same ref who called Wade for that awful fifth AFTER one of their trash players missed the shot. That guy should be checked to see if he's betting on games.
BTW, the bald ref did not make the call on Wade. He was an the right foul-line extended with the best view of the play. The official on the baseline having to look through 2 or 3 players and behind Wade made the call.
The only thing I will say about the T is that it occured with 5 seconds on the clock down by 1. Inexcusable!! If you are getting hosed by the officials and you need to go off on them, you do it late in the 1st or early mid 2nd while you are up. Not with 5 seconds with a chance to be down by only 1 to 3 where a 3 could win or tie. I guarantee you if Bill Self was getting jobbed by the officials as bad as oscar allows his teams to be, he would go off on the officials and there would be no "what did he do to get a T" questions. If Frank Martin did what Weber did tonight to take the chance away from the team to still win or tie i woulbd have been just as outraged at him as I am at Weber.
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I want to hear more from those that say it's not webers fault.
He doesn't miss the FTs , he doesn't make the dumb passes.......
Nope, but he does recruit the ones who do
Maybe that stellar road record is all cause of bad officiating!
This probably will go over your head but the two issues in your message aren't mutually exclusive. You can and should fault him for what players we have in the program, even though impartial observers like the talent of this team; but you are allowed to have nuance and blame Kamau for missing layups, blame wes for throwing the ball away, and blame the refs for fixing the game.
All of this can be true, do you understand that?
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.
Your post above excused a lot of things.
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I was KITN prepared.
I said OH NO out loud when Kamau missed his free throw and my wife got up and went to bed. Doesn't mean you can't be livid at how that went down.
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I hate Tech so much, always have, always will.
Their players are ugly
Their game is ugly
Their campus is ugly
Their dirty ass city is ugly
Their fans are ugly
Their uniforms are ugly
Their floor is ugly
Their Mr. Potato Head looking ass coach is ugly
Those two bigs, the fat kid with the bad haircut and that bald prick, are flopping ass pussays. They are a disgrace to basketball and I wish nothing but the worst for them. It's a damn shame that they are as big as those dudes are and they're constantly either on the floor or throwing their heads back when someone gets near them. It's the Marcus Smarting of basketball and it's a plague.
100% agree!!
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How many extra possessions did tech get in the last 2 minutes on 2 second delayed calls like the one against Wade and Brown? There was the ball the tech guard smacked out of bounds they went to the monitor on and still mumped up. That's just not something a team on the road can overcome in a close game. We played great D and just enough offense to win, and win comfortably, and we got buttfucked big12ref style.
It's no wonder ku ties to win the conference every year, it's a rough ridin' sham
Our 2nd half defense was awful.
Undeniable. I haven't looked at your stats yet so I don't know if the numbers will back this up but the rebounding looked to be horrific. They were crashing with four every single time on both ends, we didn't at all, ever.
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Everyone deserves blame/credit tonight. Contributions from coaches and players alike.
Color me surprised, honestly. Is this what actually showing a sliver of give a crap looks like? I'll take it. You're off of my list, now back to RickRampus.
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We did a terrible job guarding techs 17 second half ft attempts.
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All of your post are excuses. I'm done with you.
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I hate Tech so much, always have, always will.
Their players are ugly
Their game is ugly
Their campus is ugly
Their dirty ass city is ugly
Their fans are ugly
Their uniforms are ugly
Their floor is ugly
Their Mr. Potato Head looking ass coach is ugly
Those two bigs, the fat kid with the bad haircut and that bald prick, are flopping ass pussays. They are a disgrace to basketball and I wish nothing but the worst for them. It's a damn shame that they are as big as those dudes are and they're constantly either on the floor or throwing their heads back when someone gets near them. It's the Marcus Smarting of basketball and it's a plague.
100% agree!!
Don't forget about graham cookie devonte throwing his head back on Dogbite's drive to draw the offensive foul
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Everyone deserves blame/credit tonight. Contributions from coaches and players alike.
Is this what actually showing a sliver of give a crap looks like?
Re: kp30nt, hence the "/credit."
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If anyone says anything about the T you are being a disingenuous dick bag. If Frank got that T the collective orgasm on here couldn't be contained. That bald bitch who called the T needs to have his face caved in, I'm pretty sure that was the same ref who called Wade for that awful fifth AFTER one of their trash players missed the shot. That guy should be checked to see if he's betting on games.
BTW, the bald ref did not make the call on Wade. He was an the right foul-line extended with the best view of the play. The official on the baseline having to look through 2 or 3 players and behind Wade made the call.
The only thing I will say about the T is that it occured with 5 seconds on the clock down by 1. Inexcusable!! If you are getting hosed by the officials and you need to go off on them, you do it late in the 1st or early mid 2nd while you are up. Not with 5 seconds with a chance to be down by only 1 to 3 where a 3 could win or tie. I guarantee you if Bill Self was getting jobbed by the officials as bad as oscar allows his teams to be, he would go off on the officials and there would be no "what did he do to get a T" questions. If Frank Martin did what Weber did tonight to take the chance away from the team to still win or tie i woulbd have been just as outraged at him as I am at Weber.
Someone ITT said that the officials don't respect oscar and it certainly appears to be a level of truth to that. You absolutely cannot call a technical foul there, and I guarantee you most college basketball officials agree with me. I have had high school coaches react similarly to that in a late, close game and you need to allow a quick outburst, coaches aren't robots. If he did something like march to midcourt to throw a fit than fine, but that was a very quick outburst and didn't merit a technical. That T by no means cost us the game but it is emblematic of how terrible college basketball officials are.
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MIR, I appreciate your work in this thread. I'm not done with this team, but my initial reaction was meltdown and be pissed at everything.
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the scripts are being followed flawlessly
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.
Your post above excused a lot of things.
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I haven't said a single thing about anything else but tonight, not one thing. I only care about tonight, right now. I don't care what happened at West Virginia in 2015, I care about right now. You're acting like 5-24 is just fine but 4-25 is a tipping point. They are both horrendous records and neither of them have a single damn to do with us once again not executing and then getting cheated to top it off.
Be done with me, I give as many fucks as I do differentiating between 4-25 and 5-24.
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.
Your post above excused a lot of things.
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I haven't said a single thing about anything else but tonight, not one thing. I only care about tonight, right now. I don't care what happened at West Virginia in 2015, I care about right now. You're acting like 5-24 is just fine but 4-25 is a tipping point. They are both horrendous records and neither of them have a single damn to do with us once again not executing and then getting cheated to top it off.
Be done with me, I give as many fucks as I do differentiating between 4-25 and 5-24.
When did I say that was a tipping point? Weird post
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Everyone deserves blame/credit tonight. Contributions from coaches and players alike.
Is this what actually showing a sliver of give a crap looks like?
Re: kp30nt, hence the "/credit."
Is that right? I wouldn't know I'm done opening that thread may as well be a renocat thread.
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.
Your post above excused a lot of things.
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I haven't said a single thing about anything else but tonight, not one thing. I only care about tonight, right now. I don't care what happened at West Virginia in 2015, I care about right now. You're acting like 5-24 is just fine but 4-25 is a tipping point. They are both horrendous records and neither of them have a single damn to do with us once again not executing and then getting cheated to top it off.
Be done with me, I give as many fucks as I do differentiating between 4-25 and 5-24.
When did I say that was a tipping point? Weird post
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You didn't. I'm trying to figure out why you keep addressing it tonight as if we are just realizing we've been shitty on the road for four years. We're talking about tonight, you're talking about February of 2014.
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Mir's making a lot of good points tonight
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Do not care what anyone says, 4-25 on the road is inexcusable. At Baylor in 13 is the only time I thought we played it right.
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Who the hell is excusing it? Just show me one single, solitary post.
Your post above excused a lot of things.
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I haven't said a single thing about anything else but tonight, not one thing. I only care about tonight, right now. I don't care what happened at West Virginia in 2015, I care about right now. You're acting like 5-24 is just fine but 4-25 is a tipping point. They are both horrendous records and neither of them have a single damn to do with us once again not executing and then getting cheated to top it off.
Be done with me, I give as many fucks as I do differentiating between 4-25 and 5-24.
When did I say that was a tipping point? Weird post
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You didn't. I'm trying to figure out why you keep addressing it tonight as if we are just realizing we've been shitty on the road for four years. We're talking about tonight, you're talking about February of 2014.
You're right. I'm wrong. Great post
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Good point by Rick there
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That was worse than the ku game. That was a stunning series of calls that allowed tech to win. The only thing not 100% their responsibility in the last 2 minutes was iwundus wtf TO
I agree with fsd 100%. College refs are unreal bad.
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I hate Tech so much, always have, always will.
Their players are ugly
Their game is ugly
Their campus is ugly
Their dirty ass city is ugly
Their fans are ugly
Their uniforms are ugly
Their floor is ugly
Their Mr. Potato Head looking ass coach is ugly
Those two bigs, the fat kid with the bad haircut and that bald prick, are flopping ass pussays. They are a disgrace to basketball and I wish nothing but the worst for them. It's a damn shame that they are as big as those dudes are and they're constantly either on the floor or throwing their heads back when someone gets near them. It's the Marcus Smarting of basketball and it's a plague.
I agree with this post 100%, also
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If my guy was 6'8" 270# and was on a college court flopping around like he is some pimple faced 5'7" 2A sophomore I'd never let him hear the end of it.
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If my guy was 6'8" 270# and was on a college court flopping around like he is some pimple faced 5'7" 2A sophomore I'd never let him hear the end of it.
To be fair, his sloppy flops were getting calls all night.
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Refs would smirk at those flops in Allen
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If my guy was 6'8" 270# and was on a college court flopping around like he is some pimple faced 5'7" 2A sophomore I'd never let him hear the end of it.
To be fair, his sloppy flops were getting calls all night.
For sure. What's the price of dignity?
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Everyone deserves blame/credit tonight. Contributions from coaches and players alike.
Is this what actually showing a sliver of give a crap looks like?
Re: kp30nt, hence the "/credit."
Is that right? I wouldn't know I'm done opening that thread may as well be a renocat thread.
I want Oscar to coach here forever because of that thread.
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:I've alway thought that home cookin' is an obscenely real thing in the B12. I remember feeling like our wild wildcats were gifted a few wins in the Bram (in years past). Allen 'magic' seemingly needs no statistical verification, etc. Surely stats support this (?). Seems so aggregious. Wonder if B12 home/away win % / foul differentials are typical (but not enough to investigate/compile stats on my own).
Full disclosure: "watched" last 5 mins by gamecast
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In all seriousness, not ge'ing, I'm not mad at oscar a bit. We're a better team than the old as eff gross red raiders but lost at their place in one of the most horrendously officiated games I've ever seen. It happens.
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The big 12 is basically pro wrestling
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:I've alway thought that home cookin' is an obscenely real thing in the B12. I remember feeling like our wild wildcats were gifted a few wins in the Bram (in years past). Allen 'magic' seemingly needs no statistical verification, etc. Surely stats support this (?). Seems so aggregious. Wonder if B12 home/away win % differential istypical (but not enough to investigate/compile stats on my own.
There was a study done across basketball and the Big 12 home court advantage was similar to the national average, I'll try to find it. What's interesting about the Big 12 basketball conference is that there are only three schools that have good home court atmospheres and that's KU, KSU, and ISU. WVU can be good, but they only care about ranked teams. The lame atmospheres of most arenas in the conference doesn't hamper the referee bias, its bizarre.
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If the effect is real, and eff me sideways if it isn't, the thought process is probably something like, "Gee, this 'product' (i.e., attendance) will really suck for about 2/3 of the league if the better team typically wins." "Let's homecook up ourselves a little hometown edge for the home team."
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But we need a team in the top five for conference credibility :shakesfist:
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There was a study done across basketball and the Big 12 home court advantage was similar to the national average, I'll try to find it. What's interesting about the Big 12 basketball conference is that there are only three schools that have good home court atmospheres and that's KU, KSU, and ISU. WVU can be good, but they only care about ranked teams. The lame atmospheres of most arenas in the conference doesn't hamper the referee bias, its bizarre.
I vaguely remember seeing that, now that you mention it. I remember discounting it the moment I realized it didn't show obnoxious bias in KU's favor (at the barn). Lulz.
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If the effect is real, and eff me sideways if it isn't, the thought process is probably something like, "Gee, this 'product' (i.e., attendance) will really suck for about 2/3 of the league if the better team typically wins." "Let's homecook up ourselves a little hometown edge for the home team."
It's not a policy but more human nature.http://www.allmysportsteamssuck.com/2016/01/21/what-is-home-court-advantage-worth-in-college-basketball/
One thing to consider when looking at this chart is that often a crew will work several conferences at one time, so this may say less about the officials and more about other stuff.
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The big12 is thought of as a great basketball conference, KU has dominated this great conference for a long time. The conference and its top team a perennial 1-2 seed consistently underperform in the tournament. These things don't add up. I submit that KU is coddled and the overall conference is overrated because of it.
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Looks like I missed some great stuff tonight. I had the game on mute while talking to my mom on the phone and wasn't really paying attention. I assumed it was just another weber choke
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I'm over the comparisons of what other teams did at the same place and I choose to blame the coach.
We have a coach with ZERO cachet and no zeal, who will never get the calls and will stand there looking like a total dorkstore in the process.
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Y'all are missing the point. KU (adjusted score) would have also lost if we ran into that buzzsaw in Lubbock. It happens.
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When did MiR hop on the oscar caboose?
I'm not on any rough ridin' oscar caboose, I ultimately don't care at all about that rich white dude. I do care about Kansas State basketball and I took what happened tonight personally, this happened to me.
I moved to Manhattan in 1996, I didn't miss a home game from the start of the 1996-97 season through the end of the 2002-03 season. I say through a lot of horrible basketball and it had an opposite effect on me, I care more. K-State basketball is bigger than oscar Weber. I suppose I'm not as cool as the 30, 40 and 50 somethings who bend over backwards letting you know how much they don't care and I'm frankly smarter than the blame oscar for everything crowd.
So here we are it appears that I'm fighting for oscar but I'm pissed that this keeps happening to me and others who aren't too cool to give a crap.
Listen, didn't mean to offend. I was in school for the bulk of the Wooly years, and I was at every game. I have listened to, watched on television, or attended every K-State basketball game since I was five years old. If I had to pick one sport to follow for the rest of my life, it would be Cats MBB.
At a certain point though, the fact that your AD hired oscar rough ridin' Weber to be your coach becomes too much. After the millionth punch right in the dick (I mean, come on, regardless of the circumstances, we all knew last night was coming...cuz oscar) a guy just can't take it anymore. Are we all supposed to be pissed off like you all the time? Some of us cope in different ways. We all accept your way of coping, it'd be nice if you extended some grace to the rest of us. Everybody here cares. Who the eff would engage on a K-State basketball message board during this period of K-State hoops if they didn't care? Come on, man. Get real. We're all Cat fans here.
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meh, it's a road loss against a decent Big 12 team where our team (again) had a chance to win it in the end. Let's go get Baylor on Saturday and move on. The ups and downs and sub second emotional roller coaster ride with these kind of games are what makes basketball so enjoyable. Stop trying so hard to pin this on oscar.
Go Cats.
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Kat Kid here with just a few observations.
1. Yes the refereeing was bad, particularly bad throughout the game. Inconsistent and indecisive. Way too many offensive fouls, way too many flops rewarded, some bad calls where the defender was vertical, just bad all around.
2. The absolute dumbest thing I see is people looking at FT numbers and then using them as absolute proof the officiating was biased. KU fans were hilariously trotting out the fact that K-State shot more free throws in Allen as proof that they had been cheated that game prior to the no call on the travel. It is one of the worst types of talking points.
3. I don't think the Brown call or the out of bounds calls were bad calls. If you look at the replay, you can see Brown slap him on the arm and that is what causes the ball to go in the back court.
4. The problem with the Brown call and lots of others was the indecisive nature of the refs. Several times you could see them waiting to weigh what outcome would be most just and then retroactively inserting themselves to assure that happens. It is why there were so many inconsistent calls, because they were trying to do make ups and respond to the flops etc. It was a bad officiating environment and so it created bad calls. Really good refs like Jerry Pollard or Higgins will talk to the players even in the middle of a play to warn them if they are fighting for position on the blocks or pull them aside and talk to them during FT or before a time out. Bad refs are not confident enough to do this and so are indecisive when they have to blow the whistle and then don't want to talk about it afterward.
5. oscar's T is not being criticized enough. It absolutely killed any chance of winning that game with the game still very much in doubt. It is inexcusable. The time to criticize the refs was a long time ago, as dax rightly pointed out. And oscar just stands there with his jaw open and doesn't say anything. Working the refs isn't something that is necessarily going to pay dividends if you aren't an elite team/coach anyway, but at least know the time and situation. Is it at all surprising that our players choke and find excuses for not finishing when our own coach makes such an enormous error with the game in the balance?
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oscar has the "fans" making the excuses for him this year, what a turn of events.
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#TeamMIR
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This team is one legitimate big on the bench away from being real decent. it's so tough to watch the substitutions that have to be made so Wade and DJamer can try and hang around for 40 minutes. I really feel like this will be the death of this team.
Also, I love Wes, but he's so damn out of control at times and it's really cost us in pivotal moments.
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we're so close to decent that i can almost literally taste it
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oscar is now 4-25 in conference road games since 2013-14.
That record in itself is a fireable offense
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we're so close to decent that i can almost literally taste it
HUR HUR HUR
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This team is one legitimate big on the bench away from being real decent. it's so tough to watch the substitutions that have to be made so Wade and DJamer can try and hang around for 40 minutes. I really feel like this will be the death of this team.
Also, I love Wes, but he's so damn out of control at times and it's really cost us in pivotal moments.
yep, put a 19 year old Shaq on this team and look the eff out
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we're so close to decent that i can almost literally taste it
HUR HUR HUR
that's exactly what you posted and yeah definitely hur hur hur whatever the eff that means
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This team is one legitimate big on the bench away from being real decent. it's so tough to watch the substitutions that have to be made so Wade and DJamer can try and hang around for 40 minutes. I really feel like this will be the death of this team.
Also, I love Wes, but he's so damn out of control at times and it's really cost us in pivotal moments.
yep, put a 19 year old Shaq on this team and look the eff out
:facepalm: Or just a living, moving body like Luis Colon, dumb eff.
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eff, give me Tyler Hughes to spell one of these guys for a few minutes.
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This team is one legitimate big on the bench away from being real decent. it's so tough to watch the substitutions that have to be made so Wade and DJamer can try and hang around for 40 minutes. I really feel like this will be the death of this team.
Also, I love Wes, but he's so damn out of control at times and it's really cost us in pivotal moments.
yep, put a 19 year old Shaq on this team and look the eff out
:facepalm: Or just a living, moving body like Luis Colon, dumb eff.
see, dreaming is fun. instead we have Budke running around fouling everyone in sight, thanks oscar!
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This team is one legitimate big on the bench away from being real decent. it's so tough to watch the substitutions that have to be made so Wade and DJamer can try and hang around for 40 minutes. I really feel like this will be the death of this team.
Also, I love Wes, but he's so damn out of control at times and it's really cost us in pivotal moments.
yep, put a 19 year old Shaq on this team and look the eff out
:facepalm: Or just a living, moving body like Luis Colon, dumb eff.
see, dreaming is fun. instead we have Budke running around fouling everyone in sight, thanks oscar!
I'll never consider this team to be a serious contender if Budke is getting minutes outside of 20 pt scoring margin (+/-) situations.
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I found Budke's 3 fouls in 3 minutes stretch to be pretty entertaining
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Unless they bring in a decent JUCO big next season that doesn't look like a flag pole, they'll never be a serious threat. Dante (who left), Maruice, and Love all have the same body type. A baby deer on ice type bod. Only JO could pull that off here.
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I mean, for as much as oscar is getting criticized for blowing games against three solid teams (2 on the road and 1 neutral) he is not getting enough credit for putting together a team that supposedly should be undefeated and ranked in the top 5.
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I mean, for as much as oscar is getting criticized for blowing games against three solid teams (2 on the road and 1 neutral) he is not getting enough credit for putting together a team that supposedly should be undefeated and ranked in the top 5.
I see what you are saying, but they still lost 3 games. Being close doesn't prevent them from being losses and until this team can break the trend of not finishing the game (the Texas game was really bad too) no one is going to give oscar credit.
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I agree, and there is still a lot of season left, but my broader point is there is a lot to coaching besides finishing games. If we want to go get a coach who makes better in game adjustments and closes out then fine, but people just take for granted that anyone else could even have our players in these kinds of positions late in games which is ridiculous. The one thing I'm pissed at oscar for is scheduling such a crappy non-con (which possibly could have made our guys perform better under pressure in the early conference slate). But who knows, maybe the easy start helped us develop a better shooting rhythm on offense this season.
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He's been getting a lot of credit in some circles.
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I found Budke's 3 fouls in 3 minutes stretch to be pretty entertaining
i like to think Budke is doing it so oscar has to play Maurice
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Success in "finishing games" always balances out over the course of a season. _FAN, if anyone, should be able to recognize that.
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2. The absolute dumbest thing I see is people looking at FT numbers and then using them as absolute proof the officiating was biased. KU fans were hilariously trotting out the fact that K-State shot more free throws in Allen as proof that they had been cheated that game prior to the no call on the travel. It is one of the worst types of talking points.
This. Imagine baseball fans complaining "Well the WHITE SOX pitchers got called for 25 balls and the ROYALS get 31? Unreal."
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2. The absolute dumbest thing I see is people looking at FT numbers and then using them as absolute proof the officiating was biased. KU fans were hilariously trotting out the fact that K-State shot more free throws in Allen as proof that they had been cheated that game prior to the no call on the travel. It is one of the worst types of talking points.
This. Imagine baseball fans complaining "Well the WHITE SOX pitchers got called for 25 balls and the ROYALS get 31? Unreal."
The other irony of that talking point is that an equal number of foul shots given to both teams is just as much an indicator of makeup calls and thus poor officiating.
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I'm less mad now. Looked like Kam traveled at the end. Oh well.
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Success in "finishing games" always balances out over the course of a season. _FAN, if anyone, should be able to recognize that.
That's not how randomness works.
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The note about Luis Colon is right. We don't need Baby Shaq. We just need a Colon, a Ron Anderson, etc. I just don't think oscar knows bigs.
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Success in "finishing games" always balances out over the course of a season. _FAN, if anyone, should be able to recognize that.
That's not how randomness works.
accurate. It may take more time than a season
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I'm less mad now. Looked like Kam traveled at the end. Oh well.
Do you mean Barry? He did, but no call. Followed by another no call on the hit on the head.
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Cornboy will find the big meats
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Well, In Korn We Trust, I guess.
Hasn't he been here a while, though? Of did he leave and come back?
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My god! could you guys even imagine if we had a Darren Kent?!?!?!?!?!?
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The note about Luis Colon is right. We don't need Baby Shaq. We just need a Colon, a Ron Anderson, etc. I just don't think oscar knows bigs.
It's a major concern. DJamer developed, but had like 10 years to do so. Just give me a big body that takes up space for 5-8 minutes a game coming off the bench.
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I'm less mad now. Looked like Kam traveled at the end. Oh well.
Do you mean Barry? He did, but no call. Followed by another no call on the hit on the head.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
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The note about Luis Colon is right. We don't need Baby Shaq. We just need a Colon, a Ron Anderson, etc. I just don't think oscar knows bigs.
It's a major concern. DJamer developed, but had like 10 years to do so. Just give me a big body that takes up space for 5-8 minutes a game coming off the bench.
Do Adrian Diaz or Abdul Herrera have any eligibility remaining?
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Doesn't it just come down to whether you want oscar as our coach or not? I do not. That is my position, the rest is academic.
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What in the holy hell is going on with Bullnuts? If he couldn't play last night, when well he ever be able to continue? Should we hope he eventually becomes Adrian Diaz by his red shirt senior year?
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Diaz is the red line. I mean, sure I would take him over what we have now, but we should never have bigs on our team that are lesser than AD, imo, and we should always have two that are better.
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We are going after the wrong project bigs, we should be looking for skilled 6-7 6-8 6-9 fat guys, by skilled I mean can catch, can make a post move, can shoot a little bit.
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AD was a rivals 150 recruit iirc
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I'm not putting the Ku game in the " we can't finish " games or losses. We were playing uphill for most of the 2nd half. Never had a lead in the half. And scored on a few straight possessions to get it to 88-88. A guy who had 20 pts barely missed a shot to take the lead. And the way we defended the last 5 seconds was good strategy
The other 2 losses are super frustrated. Most of us realize we put ourselves in a great spot to win both. Players/Weber both have responsibility. I'm actually a lot more mad at Weber for his coaching the last 3 minutes vs Texas. Wes and Kam both with missed 1-and-1 and both careless decisions with the ball late in Terp/Tech games. Those happened in our last 3 Poss of each game. Gotta get better.
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The note about Luis Colon is right. We don't need Baby Shaq. We just need a Colon, a Ron Anderson, etc. I just don't think oscar knows bigs.
It's a major concern. DJamer developed, but had like 10 years to do so. Just give me a big body that takes up space for 5-8 minutes a game coming off the bench.
Do Adrian Diaz or Abdul Herrera have any eligibility remaining?
Would take at this point
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AD was a rivals 150 recruit iirc
He was, but at this point we know what the finished product was. I don't know who the coach is going to be next year but he's going to need to do a lot of work to not have the worst front court in the power 6 conferences.
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AD was a rivals 150 recruit iirc
Yeah, I think he was too. I am being a little unfair in my AD post. I was referencing what he actually played as while here, not his prospect.
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I threw a water bottle through the glass doors of my fireplace and I'm 100% sending the bill to the Big 12 office.
MIR: Most of the time, you are an obnoxious, exhausting, blowhard, know-it-all.
But if you really threw a water bottle through the glass doors of your fireplace last night, that makes you pretty OK in my book. :cheers:
I need to check to make sure my remote is still working this morning.
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AD was a rivals 150 recruit iirc
Yeah, I think he was too. I am being a little unfair in my AD post. I was referencing what he actually played as while here, not his prospect.
True. He was also on a team with Jamar, JHR, and Gip so there was less opportunity/need for minutes than a big of his caliber would have on the current team.
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lol at breaking your personal property because of K-State bruceketball at Texas Tech.
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AD was a rivals 150 recruit iirc
Yeah, I think he was too. I am being a little unfair in my AD post. I was referencing what he actually played as while here, not his prospect.
True. He was also on a team with Jamar, JHR, and Gip so there was less opportunity/need for minutes than a big of his caliber would have on the current team.
Also fair. That said, there is a pretty good argument to be had that he should have developed faster and more playing against that level of comp.
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lol at breaking your personal property because of K-State bruceketball at Texas Tech.
That actually sounds very satisfying after watching a finish like that. I just kind of sulked and finished my beer.
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Well, In Korn We Trust, I guess.
Hasn't he been here a while, though? Of did he leave and come back?
korn left, now he's back
source: GoKornFans.com
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Well, that explains our drop off after the Big 12 champy.
Hopefully now that he is back we will start knocking out Dubs again.
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Success in "finishing games" always balances out over the course of a season. _FAN, if anyone, should be able to recognize that.
That's not how randomness works.
accurate. It may take more time than a season
I get it and rationally I don't disagree.
But the reactionary part of me still gets pretty pissed when we've had this recent string of not winning close games (like 8 in a row?) and then that gets fed by the gE frenzy.
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Doesn't it just come down to whether you want oscar as our coach or not? I do not. That is my position, the rest is academic.
Not 100%. I don't want oscar as our coach. But he isn't 100% to blame for the loss last night. Other variables:
1) Aforementioned poor officiating.
2) Academy awards to all of the Tech floppers (is related to #1).
3) Where the heck was Wes going?
4) We've improved tremendously in FT shooting (could be coaching, could be individual initiative, could be both) - except in crucial situations at the end of the game!
5) Why not put put Maurice in when you have Wade & DJamer with 3 (and 4) fouls each? This was a bad coaching move.
6) We failed to rebound on Tech's missed FT.
All of this adds up (I liked MIR's point - none of this is mutually exclusive) to our team has not learned how to close out close games (maybe we have at home?) on the road. Period. We need to learn how to do that if we're going to the torn-a-ment.
Forgot who said it earlier, but I could tell we wouldn't hold on once we missed the front end of the 1 and 1. :curse:
How do we match up with Baylor? (maybe I don't want to hear the answer . . . )
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I'm less mad now. Looked like Kam traveled at the end. Oh well.
Do you mean Barry? He did, but no call. Followed by another no call on the hit on the head.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
Yeah, he definitely did. Saw a few tweets slowing it down last night, pretty obvious travel actually, but can't find any of them. Can someone else?
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I wish the firebruceweber.com was still working......that was such an enjoyable site
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Doesn't it just come down to whether you want oscar as our coach or not? I do not. That is my position, the rest is academic.
Not 100%. I don't want oscar as our coach. But he isn't 100% to blame for the loss last night. Other variables:
1) Aforementioned poor officiating.
2) Academy awards to all of the Tech floppers (is related to #1).
3) Where the heck was Wes going?
4) We've improved tremendously in FT shooting (could be coaching, could be individual initiative, could be both) - except in crucial situations at the end of the game!
5) Why not put put Maurice in when you have Wade & DJamer with 3 (and 4) fouls each? This was a bad coaching move.
6) We failed to rebound on Tech's missed FT.
All of this adds up (I liked MIR's point - none of this is mutually exclusive) to our team has not learned how to close out close games (maybe we have at home?) on the road. Period. We need to learn how to do that if we're going to the torn-a-ment.
Forgot who said it earlier, but I could tell we wouldn't hold on once we missed the front end of the 1 and 1. :curse:
How do we match up with Baylor? (maybe I don't want to hear the answer . . . )
I think we get killed by Baylor (figuratively speaking, not Patrick Dennehy speaking)
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Doesn't it just come down to whether you want oscar as our coach or not? I do not. That is my position, the rest is academic.
Not 100%. I don't want oscar as our coach. But he isn't 100% to blame for the loss last night. Other variables:
1) Aforementioned poor officiating.
2) Academy awards to all of the Tech floppers (is related to #1).
3) Where the heck was Wes going?
4) We've improved tremendously in FT shooting (could be coaching, could be individual initiative, could be both) - except in crucial situations at the end of the game!
5) Why not put put Maurice in when you have Wade & DJamer with 3 (and 4) fouls each? This was a bad coaching move.
6) We failed to rebound on Tech's missed FT.
All of this adds up (I liked MIR's point - none of this is mutually exclusive) to our team has not learned how to close out close games (maybe we have at home?) on the road. Period. We need to learn how to do that if we're going to the torn-a-ment.
Forgot who said it earlier, but I could tell we wouldn't hold on once we missed the front end of the 1 and 1. :curse:
How do we match up with Baylor? (maybe I don't want to hear the answer . . . )
Pretty much where I'm at.
I think we can beat Baylor, and if I do my K-State basketball mood will be positive again.
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I agree about beating Bears. There first two.wins were not by much.
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I'm afraid that Baylor is going to be pretty focused after the beating they just took. The only times we ever seem to beat them is when they have below average effort. Can't imagine that will be the case this weekend.
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The only times we ever seem to beat them is when they have below average effort.
(https://jennyfloresblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/jim-halpert-the-office.gif?w=300&h=137)
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imagine if we had used our embarrassingly bad non-con to develop guys like maurice, would have been cool
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Hey guys, the players kind of suck and we don't have enough serviceable front court players. You know who that falls on? The mf'ing coach.
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lol at breaking your personal property because of K-State bruceketball at Texas Tech.
As always meow meow you're the best person on this blog and the gold standard we achieve to be. I obviously didn't intend to break the door of my fireplace, dipshit.
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The solution seems pretty obvious - we need a coaching closer who can deal with these tricky end-of-game situations that require lots of back-and-forth between players and coaches, complicated scenario planning, not getting technicals, etc. B dubs just needs to pass the clipboard to the Mariano Rivera of college hoops coaching.
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The solution seems pretty obvious - we need a coaching closer who can deal with these tricky end-of-game situations that require lots of back-and-forth between players and coaches, complicated scenario planning, not getting technicals, etc. B dubs just needs to pass the clipboard to the Mariano Rivera of college hoops coaching.
That use to be Brad Underwood for Frank.
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lol at breaking your personal property because of K-State bruceketball at Texas Tech.
As always meow meow you're the best person on this blog and the gold standard we achieve to be. I obviously didn't intend to break the door of my fireplace, dipshit.
maybe, i don't know, just relax, and don't get worked up all the rough ridin' time about things that don't matter. or do, it's whatever.
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The solution seems pretty obvious - we need a coaching closer who can deal with these tricky end-of-game situations that require lots of back-and-forth between players and coaches, complicated scenario planning, not getting technicals, etc. B dubs just needs to pass the clipboard to the Mariano Rivera of college hoops coaching.
I liked the looks we took at the end of the KU and TTU games. :dunno: I seem to remember a lot of dumbass endings to games in the years past.
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lol at breaking your personal property because of K-State bruceketball at Texas Tech.
As always meow meow you're the best person on this blog and the gold standard we achieve to be. I obviously didn't intend to break the door of my fireplace, dipshit.
maybe, i don't know, just relax, and don't get worked up all the rough ridin' time about things that don't matter. or do, it's whatever.
I get worked up all the time about things that don't matter? Nice to know and thanks for the advice, life's best lessons always come from anonymous internet trolls.
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I for once want to see a team get a lead, and extend that lead to a sizeable marging, as if to say we show to mercy.
We had that lead at 7, and melted away......
We had that lead against Texas, and almost melted away.....