Presidential debate final stage (now moderated by an adult!)

[star seed 7]

I know I have tons of respect for developers that refuse to pay contractors. Also respect the hell out of businessmen that are blacklisted from American banks because he doesn't pay back loans.

[sys]

It will be interesting to see if Don is going to come better prepared for the next debate.  I would love it if he actually discussed some policy.  It would be interesting to see him mention an actual detail and see how his folks react.

He's incapable. Honestly.

he might do better in a shorter debate.  he doesn't have stamina to participate in these longer ones.

[sonofdaxjones]

I dislike both, but based on the "does/says" factor element of national policy, Hillary is pure evil, and it's not even close. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Maybe I'm conflating the Clinton Foundation with some other shady psuedo-charitable Clinton deal, but didnt the NYT write a rather scathing expose linking foreign arms deals with unsavory characters and donations to the foundation? Also, didn't the Clintons accept absurd speaking fees from the Foundation (like $500k a pop)?

Seems pretty rough ridin' shady to me, particularly given her role as SoS. 

I've actually not seen anything on trump other than the rent he's charging his campaign, which is egregious but a microfraction of the dollars the Clintons have taken from their foundation.

[sonofdaxjones]

Maybe I'm conflating the Clinton Foundation with some other shady psuedo-charitable Clinton deal, but didnt the NYT write a rather scathing expose linking foreign arms deals with unsavory characters and donations to the foundation? Also, didn't the Clintons accept absurd speaking fees from the Foundation (like $500k a pop)?

Seems pretty rough ridin' shady to me, particularly given her role as SoS. 

I've actually not seen anything on trump other than the rent he's charging his campaign, which is egregious but a microfraction of the dollars the Clintons have taken from their foundation.

All you need to know is that the Clinton's and the CF took money from and owe political favors to the worst people on the planet.   

There's a reason why the FBI tried to investigate the CF 3 times.

[MakeItRain]

Wait, what? How did I get in that group, I've never been critical of the Clinton Foundation?

you're a weirdo clintonophobe, believing things about her that have no basis in fact.  last night, for example, you were irate that cnn used the complete lack of evidence that clinton had ever engaged in birtherism to excuse her of having been a birther.  goddamn mainstream media.

No. She had surrogates that absolutely questioned Barack Obama's citizenship status, or his "otherness." That is a fact, confirmed by Reggie Love. The Hillary spokesperson on CNN denied Trump's false claim that "Hillary started the birther movement."

[chum1]

It will be interesting to see if Don is going to come better prepared for the next debate.  I would love it if he actually discussed some policy.  It would be interesting to see him mention an actual detail and see how his folks react.

He's incapable. Honestly.

he might do better in a shorter debate.  he doesn't have stamina to participate in these longer ones.

I think the first 30 minutes of the debate are as good as it gets for him. Let's grant that he can do a sufficient job of staying on message and avoiding all of his bad personality traits. He still doesn't retain very much info, has poor recall of the info he does learn, often doesn't make his meaning clear, skips logical steps, and erratically jumps from one topic to another.

But, yeah, it was pretty hilarious how he delivered his canned stamina charge against her a while after he had OBVIOUSLY hit the wall himself.

[sys]

No. She had surrogates that absolutely questioned Barack Obama's citizenship status, or his "otherness." That is a fact, confirmed by Reggie Love. The Hillary spokesperson on CNN denied Trump's false claim that "Hillary started the birther movement."

it's just a shame there was no media around eight years ago to document clinton's or the clinton campaign's birtherism.  oth, if we had had a media back then perhaps the message would have disseminated and clinton might have won that primary.  kind of a double-edge alternate history, i guess.

[_33]

I think it would go a long way to unify the board and usher in a new era of bipartisanship if everyone admits that they are both total dickholes.

[chum1]

Trump campaign tried to identify opportunities for improvement from the primary debates.

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/779335274404786177

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

As much as his personality grates on my soul, you can't deny his business acumen.

it's very easy to, actually.  he lies about his personal wealth, but even generous estimates of his holdings are well short of what he'd have if he'd have just invested his inheritance in the stock market and let better businessmen generate returns on his capital.

I have respect for those that risk their money making things and hiring people. Nothing against pure wall street investors, but they're more like leaches than business people.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I know I have tons of respect for developers that refuse to pay contractors. Also respect the hell out of businessmen that are blacklisted from American banks because he doesn't pay back loans.

This crap happens every day and there is always more to the story.

[chum1]

As much as his personality grates on my soul, you can't deny his business acumen.

it's very easy to, actually.  he lies about his personal wealth, but even generous estimates of his holdings are well short of what he'd have if he'd have just invested his inheritance in the stock market and let better businessmen generate returns on his capital.

I have respect for those that risk their money making things and hiring people. Nothing against pure wall street investors, but they're more like leaches than business people.

Great! But the issue wasn't who JD repects. It was how good of a businessman is Trump. And he's pretty dreadful.

[star seed 7]

I know I have tons of respect for developers that refuse to pay contractors. Also respect the hell out of businessmen that are blacklisted from American banks because he doesn't pay back loans.

This crap happens every day and there is always more to the story.

Happens everyday to pieces of human garbage

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I know I have tons of respect for developers that refuse to pay contractors. Also respect the hell out of businessmen that are blacklisted from American banks because he doesn't pay back loans.

To be fair, when you're a developer, you're going to come across a LOT of shitty contractors. You're going to get in disputes with contractors who either do a crap job or otherwise try to screw you over. There's a lot of things to criticize Trump for. The anecdotes about him not paying so and so on a golf course project shouldn't even make the list.

[star seed 7]

real stand up guy that donald trump is, fights for the little guy while refusing to pay them.   

[Spracne]

I mean, these types of disputes happen all the time. We'd really need to hear the facts and examine the contract in order to know if Trump's group is culpable here. I'm guessing probably not, since this contractor had a legal remedy available and chose not to pursue it. Bald assertions by an angry party to a dispute are no proof of wrongdoing.

[gatoveintisiete]

If my boy showed you four checks he wrote last year totaling 8 digits to the federal gov for income tax, would that put the tax return hub bub to bed?

[star seed 7]

and clinton has been investigated heavily for the last two decades with no proof of wrongdoing, she must be a great person too 

[Spracne]

At least with Clinton there is an existing record for each of those matters that reasonable people can examine and from which they can draw their own conclusions. This contractor business is meaningless without the actual facts, and a willingness to draw conclusions in the absence of such facts both betrays your credibility and exposes bias. Either that, or stupidity.

[star seed 7]

i will admit a bias against people who refuse to pay people that do work for them.  guilty 

[gatoveintisiete]

At least with Clinton there is an existing record for each of those matters that reasonable people can examine and from which they can draw their own conclusions. This contractor business is meaningless without the actual facts, and a willingness to draw conclusions in the absence of such facts both betrays your credibility and exposes bias. Either that, or stupidity.

Well said

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

At least with Clinton there is an existing record for each of those matters that reasonable people can examine and from which they can draw their own conclusions. This contractor business is meaningless without the actual facts, and a willingness to draw conclusions in the absence of such facts both betrays your credibility and exposes bias. Either that, or stupidity.

These are the same people denying trump has been succesful in business, so yeah, lots of bias and stupidity. Dare we call them Trumpophobes?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

It's refreshing to know that the three most important things to Democrats right now are 1) nuclear war, 2) russia, and 3) who called who a mean name. 1&2 haven't been relevent since the Berlin Wall fell, and 3 is best reserved for resolution by primary school teacher. These people are adolescent and delusional sheep, doing what they're told. #thinkprogress

Is this some sort of commentary on how Trump is actually a democrat?

Donald Trump would launch nukes all over the world and is conspiring with russia to out the sham dnc and called a fat lady miss piggy, therefore i should be president
- hillary rough ridin' clinton

[sys]

I have respect for those that risk their money making things and hiring people. Nothing against pure wall street investors, but they're more like leaches than business people.

it sounds like what you respect is his attraction to risky behavior then, rather than his business acumen.