Author Topic: RNC (Read 48561 times)

chum1 · « **Reply #550 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:08:22 PM »

I'm really curious about how long Trump will talk. He won't/can't stay on script and otherwise doesn't have a hell of a lot to say.

And how well might a speech like he gave at his campaign rallies go over on TV? Would it attract swing voters? Would it repel them?

sys · « **Reply #551 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:10:16 PM »

the guy who has to be most pissed about all of this has to be poor lindsey graham. he's been the most vocal, open and consistent antitrumpite since forever and on paper his denouncing of trump and refusal to attend the convention is a stronger repudiation than cruz's nuanced, vetted speech. yet cruz is getting all of the attention and will likely go down in history as having led the opposition to trump.

sys · « **Reply #552 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:21:15 PM »

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-21/cruz-and-trump-both-lost-in-convention-face-off

pretty good commentary.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #553 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:22:38 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/texas-delegates-break-bitter-fighting-ted-cruzs-endorsement/story?id=40770379

sys · « **Reply #554 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:45:08 PM »

so weird.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/did-donald-trump-campaign-make-calculated-decision-to-let-ted-cruz-speak/

sys · « **Reply #555 on:** July 21, 2016, 02:57:26 PM »

Quote

We can only fall back on Trump's Razor: "Ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/making-sense-of-the-conflagration

MakeItRain · « **Reply #556 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:00:46 PM »

Quote from: Tobias on July 20, 2016, 09:53:18 PM

i wish we had more neocons here because i'm already salivating at the thought of lena dunham's DNC speech

Gross

Tobias · « **Reply #557 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:01:10 PM »

star seed 7 · « **Reply #558 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Tobias on July 21, 2016, 03:01:10 PM

lol

Close enough!

Tobias · « **Reply #559 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:06:09 PM »

will take

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #560 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:07:11 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on July 21, 2016, 03:00:46 PM

Quote from: Tobias on July 20, 2016, 09:53:18 PM
i wish we had more neocons here because i'm already salivating at the thought of lena dunham's DNC speech

Gross

Can't wait!

Kat Kid · « **Reply #561 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:19:29 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on July 20, 2016, 10:47:17 PM

Quote from: chum1 on July 20, 2016, 10:39:49 PM
“I think he’ll say something, he’ll give a sign of where he is on Donald Trump that will be pleasing to the Trump campaign and to Republicans,” Donald Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort says about Sen. Ted Cruz at news conference during Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

“We’ve been talking back and forth about what the senator wants to say. I’ll see a copy of the speech later this morning because he’s still working on it”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-07-20/manafort-says-he-expects-cruz-speech-to-please-trump-camp-gop

Possibilities (most likely to least likely):

1) They got some sort of cryptic/weak assurance from Cruz, ran with it, had the "boo" and "we'll ruin you" as their leverage and totally misread the situation

2) They got no assurances, had the text, were somehow still surprised, scrambled the booing

3) Cruz lied to them

The real question is why the hell they thought that Cruz's "pledge" was sufficient to invite him in the first place.

Looks like a combo of 1 and 2. I think this is Dunning-Kruger effect meets Trump's razor.

Quote from: sys on July 21, 2016, 02:45:08 PM

so weird.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/did-donald-trump-campaign-make-calculated-decision-to-let-ted-cruz-speak/

sys · « **Reply #562 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:20:40 PM »

it never would have occurred to me, a year ago, that one would be able to offer a cogent argument that ted cruz is a more moral man than paul ryan.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/the-hollow-men/492320/

puniraptor · « **Reply #563 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:48:07 PM »

Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 21, 2016, 09:10:45 AM

I'm pretty sure none of you actually watched Ted's speech. Let me explain how this works: the media is focusing on the boorish behavior of some pro-Trump delegates who were unhappy that Ted didn't give an explicit endorsement, which is fits the media playbook of focusing on any "controversy" to distract from the substance of the speeches and thereby minimize Trump's convention bounce. By contrast, the coverage of the DNC will be a love fest to maximize Hillary's bounce (to the extent a dead fish dropped from a window bounces). The overwhelmingly liberal journobloc puts their thumbs on the scales every election. The impact is hard to quantify, but it is very much real.

I would encourage you to broaden your horizons and actually watch the speech. It was amazing from start to finish. He was gracious to Trump, congratulating him on winning the nomination, and spoke passionately about conservative principles - chiefly among them freedom and the rule of law.

Dude.

puniraptor · « **Reply #564 on:** July 21, 2016, 03:58:36 PM »

You don't think Cruz would happily slash Trump's tires to give himself a shot at 2020?

chum1 · « **Reply #565 on:** July 21, 2016, 04:04:14 PM »

Something I heard on TV sourced from a member of Trump's campaign was that the reason Trump decided to walk out during Cruz's speech was to be the bigger man and save Cruz from all of the booing in spite of receiving no endorsement. It happened pretty much immediately afterward and I got the impression that this was the pre-planned response in case Cruz did not endorse Trump. If so, it really seems like Trump thought he could make Cruz speaking a win-win situation.

catastrophe · « **Reply #566 on:** July 21, 2016, 04:48:34 PM »

Trump honestly doesn't care about any of this as long as the media is talking about him. I'm sure he would rather the RNC be a much bigger train wreck than it is at this point.