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[Emo EMAW]

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.

And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.

I'm okay with brainstorming. 

"We" are NOT "doing nothing."  There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things.  You know that and ignore it.

There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it.  Those ills led to the above referenced legislations.  And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks. 

I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly.  I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway.  I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.

They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.

This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.

I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).

[MakeItRain]

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.

And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.

I'm okay with brainstorming. 

"We" are NOT "doing nothing."  There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things.  You know that and ignore it.

There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it.  Those ills led to the above referenced legislations.  And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks. 

I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly.  I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway.  I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.

They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.

This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.

I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).

But the problem is a demographic issue. My point is that the system had no problem disenfranchising blacks why not offer direct and proportional relief?

[Emo EMAW]

his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.

That's not entirely true.  Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?"  So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.

I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen.  Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit. 

But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.

What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.

And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.

I'm okay with brainstorming. 

"We" are NOT "doing nothing."  There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things.  You know that and ignore it.

There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it.  Those ills led to the above referenced legislations.  And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks. 

I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly.  I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway.  I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.

They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.

This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.

I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).

But the problem is a demographic issue. My point is that the system had no problem disenfranchising blacks why not offer direct and proportional relief?

Two wrongs don't make a right (is probably the simplest way I can say it).

Anyway, there are a lot of poor and impoverished blacks in rural Alabama.  They probably could use some help.  Just like the poor and impoverished white folks in rural Alabama.  Poverty and education are probably big sources of the race issues we have (white and black folks alike).

[MakeItRain]

Help me out with the second wrong.

[gatoveintisiete]

How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?

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How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?

How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.

[bucket]

Going way back, people seemed to feel BLM should focus more on black on black violence instead of police brutality. Shouldn't black on black violence be dealt with in the community?

[SdK]

always funny when wacky attack's black's victimhood mentality and then immediately goes right in to how he has been victimized.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Going way back, people seemed to feel BLM should focus more on black on black violence instead of police brutality. Shouldn't black on black violence be dealt with in the community?

Yeah, let's do that instead.

What on earth?

[420seriouscat69]

always funny when wacky attack's black's victimhood mentality and then immediately goes right in to how he has been victimized.

KK didn't even know Hillary wasn't the SOS anymore. His leftist values are obviously flawed logic.

[star seed 7]

link?

[Asteriskhead]

good rough ridin' god, guys.

[gatoveintisiete]

How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?

How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.

....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic.  rough ridin' libtards.......

[bucket]

How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?

How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.

....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic.  rough ridin' libtards.......

I must have missed where these issues were discussed in this thread. I didn't want to assume that you were insinuating that african-americans have problems with education, teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales. Personally, I believe those statistics are a bit overblown.

[gatoveintisiete]

How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?

How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
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....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic.  rough ridin' libtards.......

I must have missed where these issues were discussed in this thread. I didn't want to assume that you were insinuating that african-americans have problems with education, teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales. Personally, I believe those statistics are a bit overblown.

"Folks" can be white too weirdo.

[bucket]

How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?

How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
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....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic.  rough ridin' libtards.......

I must have missed where these issues were discussed in this thread. I didn't want to assume that you were insinuating that african-americans have problems with education, teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales. Personally, I believe those statistics are a bit overblown.

"Folks" can be white too weirdo.

Exactly, so start a new, damn thread if you want to discuss that. How is that relevant to this discussion?

[gatoveintisiete]

Read mir's last post where he mentions education and go to bed....

[bucket]

Read mir's last post where he mentions education and go to bed....

blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded.

We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.

Your response. A great one at that.

"How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?"

Statistics seem to show that investing in education has good yields. People do drop out. Not much you can do about that. However, more people graduate than don't when you invest in it. Then, you know, you brought up drugs and teenage pregnancy which no one else mentioned so I think that must be eating up at you.

[gatoveintisiete]

If you care about people, all people, you want them to show up for school and graduate, stay out of the drug scene (alcohol included), not create single parent homes, and learn to rocknroll like successful people.  All that is relevant to this thread and good for society.

[bucket]

Quit beating around the bush and say what you really want to say. Then I'll have a response.

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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/ron-sims-column-met-with-avalanche-of-white-delusion/

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I like how he acknowledged that some of what he described as "delusion" were factual points. Some of these writers are lol terrible.

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I like how he acknowledged that some of what he described as "delusion" were factual points. Some of these writers are lol terrible.

I like your self-awareness.

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While another reader, in Kirkland, conducted his own experiment. He drove around for a couple of hours and found he couldn’t tell the races of drivers in other cars. So he concluded it’s impossible for the police to be biased in a traffic stop — meaning Sims’ story is just unhappy coincidence.

 

[Emo EMAW]

Help me out with the second wrong.

Providing government resources, collected from people independent of race in the form of taxes, and then distributed to others on the grounds of race is wrong, anti-American.  Like I said, I'd be for it if it weren't based on demographics (specifically race demographics).  Plenty of Latin and white areas could use some investment, too.