Author Topic: Tough Political Questions (Read 9460 times)

CHONGS · « **Reply #25 on:** March 23, 2016, 04:49:03 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:46:32 PM

Quote from: Chingon on March 23, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
Maybe provide an example of an issue that is in actuality pretty simple that people disagree on?

An excellent question. I really should be clear about what is meant by a "simple" issue (as opposed to a complicated issue). I was trying to think of a contemporaneous example as I wrote my previous post. Maybe vaccinations, but I suspect I could be quite wrong. That's the fun of this thread.

I think vaccinations is complicated. Some people want them for a variety of reasons. Some people are against them for a variety of reasons. Some people are okay with them but don't think the government should have any say in the issue whatsoever.

Is there any issue (political or not) that is not complicated then?

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #26 on:** March 23, 2016, 04:50:20 PM »

Quote from: Chingon on March 23, 2016, 04:49:03 PM

Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: Chingon on March 23, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
Maybe provide an example of an issue that is in actuality pretty simple that people disagree on?

An excellent question. I really should be clear about what is meant by a "simple" issue (as opposed to a complicated issue). I was trying to think of a contemporaneous example as I wrote my previous post. Maybe vaccinations, but I suspect I could be quite wrong. That's the fun of this thread.

I think vaccinations is complicated. Some people want them for a variety of reasons. Some people are against them for a variety of reasons. Some people are okay with them but don't think the government should have any say in the issue whatsoever.
Is there any issue (political or not) that is not complicated then?

That's what I'm saying...it's an issue because it's complicated. If it weren't complicated, it wouldn't be an issue.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #27 on:** March 23, 2016, 04:52:19 PM »

I think vaccinations is incredibly simple. The government should have a say when the well being of other people is involved.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #28 on:** March 23, 2016, 04:54:58 PM »

Quote from: ChiCat on March 23, 2016, 04:52:19 PM

I think vaccinations is incredibly simple. The government should have a say when the well being of other people is involved.

Is the well being of the group more important than the rights of the individual?

michigancat · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:01:16 PM »

I think the death penalty is an example of a simple political question

The influence of tax policy on the economy is a tough one

ChiComCat · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:07:03 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:54:58 PM

Quote from: ChiCat on March 23, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
I think vaccinations is incredibly simple. The government should have a say when the well being of other people is involved.

Is the well being of the group more important than the rights of the individual?

I believe an individual's rights end when the encroach on the safety of others. Kids who can't be vaccinated have the right not to die of whooping cough because Timmy's mom read a blog post. Just as a child doesn't have the right to drive or is required to be educated, there are plenty of laws made to look out for a minor's safety as well as society's best interest. It seems completely arbitrary and downright dangerous to draw a line in the sand with vaccinations.

steve dave · « **Reply #31 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:09:24 PM »

Vaccinations is the simplest one ITT for sure.

CHONGS · « **Reply #32 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:12:58 PM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:50:20 PM

Quote from: Chingon on March 23, 2016, 04:49:03 PM
Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: Chingon on March 23, 2016, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
Maybe provide an example of an issue that is in actuality pretty simple that people disagree on?

An excellent question. I really should be clear about what is meant by a "simple" issue (as opposed to a complicated issue). I was trying to think of a contemporaneous example as I wrote my previous post. Maybe vaccinations, but I suspect I could be quite wrong. That's the fun of this thread.

I think vaccinations is complicated. Some people want them for a variety of reasons. Some people are against them for a variety of reasons. Some people are okay with them but don't think the government should have any say in the issue whatsoever.
Is there any issue (political or not) that is not complicated then?

That's what I'm saying...it's an issue because it's complicated. If it weren't complicated, it wouldn't be an issue.

I understand your position, suspect its perfectly reasonable, and I honestly am having a hard time coming up with a fool proof counter-example (I knew that vaccination one wouldn't be good). If the statement is that no issue is simple then I don't think I argue against that because it's always possible to (perhaps artificially) introduce complications.

catastrophe · « **Reply #33 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:14:24 PM »

Free speech is pretty tough. It's like, you can say whatever you want but it cannot be a threat or a lie under oath and also you cannot use your speech to silence others. If you cannot use speech to silence others then the government can silence your speech to allow others' free speech. But then it's up to the government's determination as to who is trying to silence who's speech. So it's like, who can speak freely and what can you say? And the government is like, don't worry, we'll let you know.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #34 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:42:28 PM »

Quote from: ChiCat on March 23, 2016, 05:07:03 PM

Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 23, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
Quote from: ChiCat on March 23, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
I think vaccinations is incredibly simple. The government should have a say when the well being of other people is involved.

Is the well being of the group more important than the rights of the individual?

I believe an individual's rights end when the encroach on the safety of others. Kids who can't be vaccinated have the right not to die of whooping cough because Timmy's mom read a blog post. Just as a child doesn't have the right to drive or is required to be educated, there are plenty of laws made to look out for a minor's safety as well as society's best interest. It seems completely arbitrary and downright dangerous to draw a line in the sand with vaccinations.

If you gave a vaccine to one of your twins and boom they died right there 2 seconds later, would you vaccinate the other? Should the government force you to?

steve dave · « **Reply #35 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:43:24 PM »

Yes and yea

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #36 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:58:33 PM »

Wow sd pretty dumb, even for you.

michigancat · « **Reply #37 on:** March 23, 2016, 05:59:58 PM »

what if the first twin turned into a goblin

OK_Cat · « **Reply #38 on:** March 23, 2016, 06:26:40 PM »

Evil goblin or just misunderstood?

Kat Kid · « **Reply #39 on:** March 23, 2016, 06:27:02 PM »

What if the twin blinked twice and then cried then nothing happened for 10 years but then the kid could not do math on grade level but you also were bad at math? Vaccines or chem trails?

steve dave · « **Reply #40 on:** March 23, 2016, 06:45:27 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 23, 2016, 06:27:02 PM

What if the twin blinked twice and then cried then nothing happened for 10 years but then the kid could not do math on grade level but you also were bad at math? Vaccines or chem trails?

Yep

Mrs. Gooch · « **Reply #41 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:05:28 PM »

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 23, 2016, 06:27:02 PM

What if the twin blinked twice and then cried then nothing happened for 10 years but then the kid could not do math on grade level but you also were bad at math? Vaccines or chem trails?

Can the other twin do math?

michigancat · « **Reply #42 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:10:53 PM »

Quote from: Mrs. Gooch on March 23, 2016, 08:05:28 PM

Quote from: Kat Kid on March 23, 2016, 06:27:02 PM
What if the twin blinked twice and then cried then nothing happened for 10 years but then the kid could not do math on grade level but you also were bad at math? Vaccines or chem trails?

Can the other twin do math?

The other twin was killed by its twin after finding a loaded gun on the nightstand when they were toddlers.

Kat Kid · « **Reply #43 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:23:29 PM »

both twins actually drowned in their pool even though their parents kept loaded guns in every room.

8manpick · « **Reply #44 on:** March 23, 2016, 08:51:40 PM »

Anti-vaxxers should save politics the trouble and kill themselves

wetwillie · « **Reply #45 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:10:46 PM »

do we need to give some people polio and smallpox and other nasty crap so the anti vaccine crowd can be like oh um never mind we will get the shots now.

sys · « **Reply #46 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:53:37 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on March 23, 2016, 09:10:46 PM

do we need to give some people polio and smallpox and other nasty crap so the anti vaccine crowd can be like oh um never mind we will get the shots now.

that is a tough question.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #47 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:56:46 AM »

I've always wondered, if your kid is vaccinated, then why do you care if someone else's kid isn't? Your kid is safe, right?

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 24, 2016, 08:59:18 AM »

#TeamEdward or #TeamJacob? That question could eff up some campaigns.

CNS · « **Reply #49 on:** March 24, 2016, 09:02:34 AM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on March 24, 2016, 08:56:46 AM

I've always wondered, if your kid is vaccinated, then why do you care if someone else's kid isn't? Your kid is safe, right?

I heard a portion of an interview on this a month or two ago. There is some sort of tipping point(% of pop) that they try to keep the vac diseases under. Evidently, if we cross that tipping point, we lose control over spreading to ppl without vac. Evidently, Whooping Cough and measles are past that tipping point in CA as of last summer.