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« Reply #600 on: January 26, 2021, 03:06:57 PM »
oscar needs to replace shooter as his agent with greg.

I accompanied oscar and Megan to Gene's Hawaiian wedding. I'm not going anywhere.

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« Reply #601 on: January 26, 2021, 03:07:33 PM »
Who is to say this team isn't in the top half of the BIG 12 next year.

seems unlikely.
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« Reply #602 on: January 26, 2021, 04:13:00 PM »
What if there are grumblings of multiple players transferring out, it will take another 3-4 years for oscar to rebuild AGAIN, which would require a contract extension to even get recruits to listen.

With where oscar is on his contract, you can fire him and hire a decent mid-major guy for less to counter the buyout, and the money would be a wash after a few years.

If that keeps all these guys on campus, I'd take my chances to see what a new dude can do over the next 2-3 years.

(even if there isn't a threat of players leaving, I still go the mid-major route at this point :googlesNDSUcoach:)


Darian DeVries and he brings his son (6'6" 4* HS Senior point forward) with him. 2019 MVC regular season champions and 13-0 to start this year.

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Toledo/Matt Campbell beat Iowa State, so the Cyclones hired him. Drake beat us this year. Do it Gene.

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« Reply #603 on: January 26, 2021, 04:17:25 PM »
Who is to say this team isn't in the top half of the BIG 12 next year.

seems unlikely.

Greg, I love you man, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you with the projection of this program.

sys is right, it's incredibly unlikely that this team is going to go from where they are to .500 in conference next year, that's a massive leap and oscar hasn't done a thing to let anyone know he can get anything out of this group of players. This is a multi-million dollar business, he can't keep this job based on nothing more than blind faith.

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« Reply #604 on: January 26, 2021, 04:48:02 PM »
It's good to know KSO isn't the only place oscar discussions devolve to these talking points.

Regardless, if oscar could just manage a roster at all between peak seasons, the roller coaster wouldn't be so darn dramatic. I'm sure plenty of coaches have similar cycles, but the correlation between experience, continuity on the roster, and success is pretty clear. This includes oscar's 08-12 Illinois teams, as far back as kenpom's experience/continuity rankings go.


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« Reply #605 on: January 26, 2021, 05:17:13 PM »
It's good to know KSO isn't the only place oscar discussions devolve to these talking points.

Regardless, if oscar could just manage a roster at all between peak seasons, the roller coaster wouldn't be so darn dramatic. I'm sure plenty of coaches have similar cycles, but the correlation between experience, continuity on the roster, and success is pretty clear. This includes oscar's 08-12 Illinois teams, as far back as kenpom's experience/continuity rankings go.



That 2017 team was very experienced to be so uninspiring.

I'm an idiot and misread the chart.
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« Reply #606 on: January 26, 2021, 05:29:34 PM »
170!
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« Reply #607 on: January 26, 2021, 06:14:42 PM »
How many kenpom points would Carti be worth on this roster?
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« Reply #608 on: January 26, 2021, 07:30:19 PM »
How many kenpom points would Carti be worth on this roster?

If oscar continued to insist on playing low possession basketball? Not a whole hell of a lot.

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« Reply #609 on: January 26, 2021, 10:42:45 PM »
What if there are grumblings of multiple players transferring out, it will take another 3-4 years for oscar to rebuild AGAIN, which would require a contract extension to even get recruits to listen.

With where oscar is on his contract, you can fire him and hire a decent mid-major guy for less to counter the buyout, and the money would be a wash after a few years.

If that keeps all these guys on campus, I'd take my chances to see what a new dude can do over the next 2-3 years.

(even if there isn't a threat of players leaving, I still go the mid-major route at this point :googlesNDSUcoach:)


Darian DeVries and he brings his son (6'6" 4* HS Senior point forward) with him. 2019 MVC regular season champions and 13-0 to start this year.

https://247sports.com/player/tucker-devries-46086079/

Toledo/Matt Campbell beat Iowa State, so the Cyclones hired him. Drake beat us this year. Do it Gene.

KT Turner.

Go get him Gene.

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« Reply #610 on: January 27, 2021, 12:01:55 PM »
I don't believe it to be true, but I have heard that someone representing K-State is already contacting agents of potential candidates.

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« Reply #611 on: January 27, 2021, 12:02:39 PM »
I don't believe it to be true, but I have heard that someone representing K-State is already contacting agents of potential candidates.

Two sources?
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« Reply #612 on: January 27, 2021, 12:16:20 PM »
Recalling fond memories of Max Urick repeatedly saying "We" (as in, K-State) aren't conducting a coaching search to replace Tom Asbury in the middle of the 99-00 season. Of course, the search firm that he hired was, in fact, conducting a coaching search to replace Tom Asbury in the middle of the 99-00 season.

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« Reply #613 on: January 27, 2021, 12:46:14 PM »
asbury was a hot prospect of a coach and what looked like a big get for the cats at the time.    he took over for jim harrick at pepperdine and road doug christie's back to a decent win/loss rate there.


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« Reply #614 on: January 27, 2021, 01:42:53 PM »
I don't believe it to be true, but I have heard that someone representing K-State is already contacting agents of potential candidates.

Whether it's true or not, I eat this crap up. Any names mentioned that I can get overly emotional about?

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« Reply #615 on: January 27, 2021, 01:45:27 PM »
We should reach out to Hoiberg.

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« Reply #616 on: January 27, 2021, 02:01:21 PM »
I don't believe it to be true, but I have heard that someone representing K-State is already contacting agents of potential candidates.

Two sources?

One, pretty reliable source, still don't really believe it though.

I don't believe it to be true, but I have heard that someone representing K-State is already contacting agents of potential candidates.

Whether it's true or not, I eat this crap up. Any names mentioned that I can get overly emotional about?

I have a name, it will piss you off, it did me anyway, maybe has something to do with my disbelief...

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« Reply #617 on: January 27, 2021, 02:05:55 PM »
anyone can represent K-State and reach out to agents of potential candidates

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« Reply #618 on: January 27, 2021, 02:08:45 PM »
okay, it's Chris Jans.

































It gets better tho. He supposedly prefers the WSU job, but he would take the K-State job if offered. LOL

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« Reply #619 on: January 27, 2021, 02:13:22 PM »
We should reach out to Hoiberg.

I agree. I would like to see our search limited to Kelvin, Belein, Thad Matta, high major coaches looking for a job reset, and young NBA assistant coaches. Before anyone mentions wooly, no one in that mode, a younger, at least somewhat well known guy who can be a recruiter, someone like Adrian Griffin.

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« Reply #620 on: January 27, 2021, 02:28:59 PM »
anyone can represent K-State and reach out to agents of potential candidates

:peek:

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« Reply #621 on: January 27, 2021, 02:37:24 PM »
anyone can represent K-State and reach out to agents of potential candidates

:peek:

:lol:

I wanted to go back and read this again but the blog is dead, Bryan McGuiness, right?

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« Reply #622 on: January 27, 2021, 03:21:04 PM »
rusty damn near had to countersign Hugg’s contract


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« Reply #623 on: January 27, 2021, 03:21:42 PM »
jans would be a very kstateo hire


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« Reply #624 on: January 27, 2021, 03:23:48 PM »
jans would be a very kstateo hire

According to a 5 second google search before I laughed at his record and closed the tab, he also got fired from Bowling Green for drunkenly touching coeds at a bar