The Bible

[MakeItRain]

That is nightmarishly stupid.

[PoetWarrior]

Would love to destroy you in an argument, but you haven't made one.

[MakeItRain]

Try your example again, only this time make your cannibal a more realistic person, you know where most people actually fall; make it real and less convenient for you to hide behind.

[PoetWarrior]

My scenario is as possible as any other. By what means or math are we to assign good and bad? Is it simply a tally of good things vs. bad things? Or is the quality of good and bad considered?

I want to know how THE BIG TRAIN would categorize my "cannibal". Because they seem like a pretty good person to me. Right, man?

[The Big Train]

My scenario is as possible as any other. By what means or math are we to assign good and bad? Is it simply a tally of good things vs. bad things? Or is the quality of good and bad considered?

I want to know how THE BIG TRAIN would categorize my "cannibal". Because they seem like a pretty good person to me. Right, man?

Society judges what is good and bad, and depending on what society you are in it's different.  There is no set standard, but if that person was a born again christian after they ate organs, would they be forgiven?  You're attempting to make them a bad person based on a single decision, when in christianity you can make a life's worth of bad decisions and be forgiven.

If you are not religious and don't feel you can be judged by a higher power, you determine if you are a good person or not.  If you have someone you care about they can judge you, but if you are eating somebody elses organs, do you really care?

[Kat Kid]

Would love to destroy you in an argument, but you haven't made one.

depending upon how successful they were in their efforts of helping others, lots of philosophies would recognize that they had a net positive effect.

Are humans the sum of their efforts?  Are all sins equal?  Does it matter that this is a 13 year old boy and not a 90 year old woman or a baby?

[8manpick]

Pretty sure as long as you go to confession, you are g2g

[PoetWarrior]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

[star seed 7]

Not so sure I agree with your police work there Lou

[bucket]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

The perfect cop out. Jesus was perfect so I can be a POS and it's ok? Consider me a Christian.

[slobber]

Welcome, bucket.


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[Rage Against the McKee]

What does the bible say about cannibalism? Is it as bad as pork?

[fun muffin]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

The perfect cop out. Jesus was perfect so I can be a POS and it's ok? Consider me a Christian.

Not so fast bucket.  Just because Jesus 100% forgives whoever would believe in him doesn't give the Christian license to continue in sin.  Paul's line of thought in Romans 6 addresses this.  "Are we to continue to sin that grace may abound?  By no means!  How can we who died to sin still live in it." 

[fun muffin]

See Chings, this is why I had no comment. I rather hear from the scholars. Cf3 is a good man, leads a good life, & I appreciate his insight on this.

Being religious or non-religious shouldn't automatically make you a good or bad person.  It's who YOU are as a person, not some affiliation with or without a religion.

In God's eyes there are no good people.  Who we are as people is our problem.  Sinful by nature.

[steve dave]

the entire basis of most current form christian religions is that you are a piece of trash who deserves to burn in eternal hellfire despite there being almost nothing in the actual bible that says that.

[The Big Train]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

The perfect cop out. Jesus was perfect so I can be a POS and it's ok? Consider me a Christian.

Not so fast bucket.  Just because Jesus 100% forgives whoever would believe in him doesn't give the Christian license to continue in sin.  Paul's line of thought in Romans 6 addresses this.  "Are we to continue to sin that grace may abound?  By no means!  How can we who died to sin still live in it."

What if after you were forgiven and intended to be a good person again, but you couldn't help yourself?  Does it reset if you had the 'right intentions' to not sin again, over and over?

[The Big Train]

the entire basis of most current form christian religions is that you are a piece of trash who deserves to burn in eternal hellfire despite there being almost nothing in the actual bible that says that.

Sure gets butts in the seats and the pocket books out tho

[The Big Train]

A big part of why I don't like current religion is exactly what you said SD.  It's not what was the original message

[fun muffin]

the entire basis of most current form christian religions is that you are a piece of trash who deserves to burn in eternal hellfire despite there being almost nothing in the actual bible that says that.

this is entirely false.

People are separated from God in the THIRD chapter of the Bible.  The whole of the rest of the Bible is God's story of redemption about how He would save man and restore man to a right relationship with him. 

[The Big Train]

Which is the original message, but not what is preached and conveyed today

[The Big Train]

Bible/Sunday school that message is more originally displayed, but not the choir concert 95% of people only go to on Sunday mornings

[fun muffin]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

The perfect cop out. Jesus was perfect so I can be a POS and it's ok? Consider me a Christian.

Not so fast bucket.  Just because Jesus 100% forgives whoever would believe in him doesn't give the Christian license to continue in sin.  Paul's line of thought in Romans 6 addresses this.  "Are we to continue to sin that grace may abound?  By no means!  How can we who died to sin still live in it."

What if after you were forgiven and intended to be a good person again, but you couldn't help yourself?  Does it reset if you had the 'right intentions' to not sin again, over and over?

That is why Paul wrote the very next chapter Romans 7.  Here Paul says starting in verse 18, "For I know nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh.  For I have the desire to do what is right, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing......Wretched man that I am!  Who will deliver me from this body of death?  Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! 

Ultimately God sees and knows the depths of our hearts.  He can determine if a person is truly repentant.  A truly repentant person would not take advantage of God's grace and go on sinning deliberately.  Now just because a person genuinely repents doesn't mean they won't still sin.  They will now have new desires to fight sin.  Not look for excuses to indulge in it.  And when the Christian does sin, they look to Jesus.  For his mercies are new every morning. 

[Mrs. Gooch]

What happens if you sin and then get killed before you had time to ask God for forgiveness?

[The Big Train]

For those who don't know who I am, I already know the answer to this.

It is impossible and stupid to think that good can be assigned to any person based on their merit. There isn't a reasonable equation to make it work. Whether my cannibal or any other, every person will commit enough "bad" that no "good" they do can cover it enough to make them "good" again. We're all "bad" and if we're honest we know it's true.

That is where Christianity distinguishes itself by fully relying on another, Jesus, who through a perfect, sinless life, and a sacrifice, can wipe the "bad" from any person based on a repentance and reliance on Him. A gift of grace, through no merit of our own. We don't deserve it and we don't earn it, only can accept it.

It simply can't make sense any other way. Ya know?

The perfect cop out. Jesus was perfect so I can be a POS and it's ok? Consider me a Christian.

Not so fast bucket.  Just because Jesus 100% forgives whoever would believe in him doesn't give the Christian license to continue in sin.  Paul's line of thought in Romans 6 addresses this.  "Are we to continue to sin that grace may abound?  By no means!  How can we who died to sin still live in it."

What if after you were forgiven and intended to be a good person again, but you couldn't help yourself?  Does it reset if you had the 'right intentions' to not sin again, over and over?

That is why Paul wrote the very next chapter Romans 7.  Here Paul says starting in verse 18, "For I know nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh.  For I have the desire to do what is right, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing......Wretched man that I am!  Who will deliver me from this body of death?  Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! 

Ultimately God sees and knows the depths of our hearts.  He can determine if a person is truly repentant.  A truly repentant person would not take advantage of God's grace and go on sinning deliberately.  Now just because a person genuinely repents doesn't mean they won't still sin.  They will now have new desires to fight sin.  Not look for excuses to indulge in it.  And when the Christian does sin, they look to Jesus.  For his mercies are new every morning.

I hope PW is taking notes, this is how you don't condescend and actually talk openly about religion from that perspective.  I can roll with this fun muffin

[fun muffin]

Which is the original message, but not what is preached and conveyed today

There are massive problems within the church.  False teachers are everywhere.  Churches are caving into the demands of the world all over the place.  I won't deny this.

 I truly believe that the Bible are God's very words.  Therefore I have sought out a church that teaches the whole of the Bible in an expositional manner.  And there are many churches like this who teach God's Word the way it was meant to be taught.  But you never hear of them.  Because they aren't out on street corners with all kinds of signs filled with hate. 

If you are looking for a solid Bible teaching church, I'd be happy to recommend some.  Just pm what city you live in and I'll do some research.